| Author | Message | ||
     Jpfive |
600 mile service complete. With 3 quarts fill +filter, the level is right at the overfull mark when measured upright. On the stand it doesn't even wet the stick. I hope we've finally gotten this straight.. Jack | ||
| Blake |
"Latest draft of service manual (H-D net) states oil is checked on side stand." Then it is wrong & likely hasn't been updated yet. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Unfortunately publications are usually the last in line for changes and updates. Don't ask me why, they just are.... | ||
| Jedipunk |
Don't get me wrong, I'm just putting up info when I get it. The first chapter was posted 1/15/08, so this is what the service dept. at dealers will be accessing when they perform services. | ||
| Blake |
That is partially accurate. They will also be accessing any/all applicable service bulletins and technical alerts. (Message edited by Blake on January 20, 2008) | ||
| Nickcaro |
 folks, here's a good one for any of you still tracking this post. Before bringing home the 1125 I read this post over and over. I kept saying to myself.. "check the oil, check the oil" but I never did. Today was my first real day out on the bike. I rode most of the day today and later in the afternoon the engine just felt different. I stalled 3 times and eventually the engine light came on.. "check the oil, check the oil" Oh, maybe I should check the oil. Holy Cow. I puled the stick while sitting on the bike and I could actually see the oil in there. I got off and let the bike sit for 5 minutes, thinking that maybe it needed to settle. Then I opened it up and there it was. The oil level was about one inch in. It just blew my mind. (what really makes this funny is that I have never drained oil out of a bike and I had the great idea that I could just remove the drain plug, let some out and then close it) Well, I removed the plug and that lovely oil just came pouring out. All over my hands and into the small dish that I had there. I made a mess, spilled some, soaked my fleece, yelled for help to get some more pans, containers anything to try to contain the stuff. I just could not get the plug back in. I was covering the hole with my thumb trying to understand why I could not get the plug to thread. Eventually I gave up and after getting a big pan I just let it come out until the flow slowed down enough for me to get the plug back in. Well, in the end I filled a 3 Quart jug of orange juice with all the oil, so I think its safe to say that the bike had way more than 3 quarts in it. I put half of it back in and went for a ride, did the check, added a little more and now I'm all good and I still have some oil left over in that jug for a few top offs. "check the oil, check the oil" | ||
| Zac4mac |
There's a story about an elephant, a monkey and a cork... Z | ||
| Rainman |
When I change oil it's usually like the story about the monkey and the football. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Unofficially, I believe that mine was overfilled by 1.50 to 1.75 quarts. It was obviously overfilled even on the sidestand (about an inch over the "overfilled" mark on the stand), which is irritating--I can't get the dealership to confirm whether they added oil or if it came from the factory like that. Even my request of a filter replacement should the airbox be full of oil fell on deaf ears... Maybe I should request a partial refund of my $325 setup fee as they obviously FAILED to check the oil level or worse yet, they checked it incorrectly and ADDED oil to an already over filled bike. Pisses me off. | ||
| Travelingman |
My tech at Buell dealer told me this week that company is coming out with Service Bulletin to techs correcting Sidestand VS Upright. The word is Upright to check oil. 1025 miles and still going. | ||
| Court |
I suspect that the one I saw overfilled by 3 quarts was not the only one (I DO NOT know that to be fact) and I'd suggest that it may be prudent to READ AND FOLLOW instructions and do your own initial oil check. | ||
| Smoore |
I have a copy of the 1125R engine oil check supplement B-070 dated February 12, 2008. Not only does it say to do it UPRIGHT, they also give you a cold and hot level check procedure. I got mine from my dealer today.They're a good Buell dealer and the techs really treat us Buell guys just as good as the HD guys. Sorry I don't have a scanner to post it here. (Message edited by Smoore on February 15, 2008) | ||
| Fresnobuell |
THe cold level check would be of interest to most of us. | ||
| Unibear12r |
Indeed. Mine went in today with plenty of discussion on the oil level and check along with the trouble codes. Had the Service Manager and a couple of techs all ears on my problems. One of the techs was nearly begging the SM to be assigned to the bike as he needed a job. It's the first 1125 they've had come back in to be worked on. When I reminded the tech that the Service Manual isn't out yet he wondered out loud what tech info they did have and hightailed in back to find out. I bet the fax lines got hot after that. I've got my fingers crossed. Thanks for the number of that supplement paper, I'll be sure to ask for that one. | ||
| Zac4mac |
Just got a copy of the first 60 some pages of the Shop Manual Rough Draft yesterday. It's dated January 11th. It still says check on the sidestand. Z | ||
| Smoore |
The tech I deal with knew they only had the first part of the service manual and was the person that gave me the supplement. He is really keeping up to speed on the 1125R. (Message edited by Smoore on February 15, 2008) | ||
| Xb9 |
The B-070 can be accessed on H-Dnet by doing a search on "B-070" It is not listed anywhere else that I could find. | ||
| Xb9 |
It also says in the document that it will be mailed out to all current 1125r owners, so we should all get a copy of it soon. Oil is to be checked upright, supercedes all previous publications. | ||
| Andella |
any chance of posting it? cut and paste or a link would be great. | ||
| Xb9 |
From the B-070: Engine Oil Check Procedure An accurate engine oil level reading can be obtained with the engine cold or at normal operating temperature. The engine will require a longer warm up period in colder temperatures if using the hot check procedure. Perform engine oil COLD CHECK as follows: NOTE For an accurate cold check, you must wait a minimum of four hours after the motorcycle has been run. 1. See Figure 1. Loosen the dipstick. 2. Hold the motorcycle upright for one minute. 3. While continuing to hold the motorcycle upright, remove and wipe off the dipstick. 4. Insert dipstick into oil filler hole, screwing dipstick in completely. 5. See Figure 2. Unscrew and remove dipstick and note oil level. An indicated oil level between MIN and MAX is acceptable for safe engine operation. Oil should be added in 3.4 fl. oz. (0.1 L) increments, depending on how far the level is from the MAX reading. If oil was added, proceed to the Oil Level Hot Check procedure. Perform engine oil HOT CHECK as follows: 1. Ride motorcycle for approximately 10 minutes. Ride at least 5 miles (8 kilometers) to ensure the oil is hot and the engine is at normal operating temperature. Readings taken with colder oil could lead to an overfull engine condition. 2. Stand the motorcycle upright (not leaning on sidestand) on a firm level surface. An uneven surface will produce a false oil reading. 3. Idle the motorcycle for three minutes. Shut off the motorcycle. 4. See Figure 1. Loosen the dipstick. 5. Wait for 3-4 minutes after shutdown (with vehicle still upright) before reading the oil level, or false readings may result. 6. Unscrew and remove dipstick from oil filler hole. Wipe dipstick clean. 7. Insert dipstick into oil filler hole, screwing dipstick in completely. 8. See Figure 2. Unscrew and remove dipstick and note oil level. An indicated oil level between MIN and MAX (measured after performing steps 1 through 7) is acceptable for safe engine operation. Oil should be added in 3.4 fl. oz. (0.1 L) increments, depending on how far the level is from the MAX reading. Confirm oil level by repeating steps 1 through 8. Engine oil (including oil filter) 2.7 qt. 2.6 Liters Engine oil (not including oil filter) 2.4 qt. 2.3 Liters | ||
| Xb9 |
I really like being able to check the oil level cold!(before starting out for a ride) | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Hate to say but those oil change procedures seem pretty retarded. So it's saying that it doesn't matter if the engine is hot or cold basically--just make sure the bike is vertical and the oil level is between the MIN and MAX? That would easy to confirm or disprove I suppose, but I have never check the oil cold. And when did the oil capacity of the bike change? | ||
| Xb9 |
Reading into it a bit, but you could infer that the thermal expansion of the oil from a cold condition to a hot condition is not enough to push a "Full when cold level" to the "overfull when Hot Level". Aim to keep it in the middle between full and add when cold would probably be good practice. We'll see how that works and check it hot to see how much it comes up. Guessing it will be full or near full. Simple really... | ||
| Andella |
Thank you, I'll have to go check mine out now. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
This has nothing to do with you, XB9 as you are just the messenger after all. What I find interesting is that all the hoopla about riding for 10 minutes, then idling for 3, then letting it sit for 3 is a bunch of unneeded crap. I guess we have found out why Buell (or anyone else) couldn't answer WHY this procedure was needed--CAUSE IT WASN'T!!!! | ||
| Doerman |
Engine oil (including oil filter) 2.7 qt. 2.6 Liters Engine oil (not including oil filter) 2.4 qt. 2.3 Liters Are you sure you got that correct? Manual says 3.0 qt when changing oil filter.  All i know is that when I changed at 3K miles it had not used any and that the 3Q change put the oil level right under MAX using hot check procedure (bike upright). | ||
| Baggermike |
Did you drain the oil from both sides of the motor, there are to drain holes. | ||
| Xb9 |
"The oil check procedure and capacity information in the attachment supersedes all other information published before the date of this bulletin." Date of the bulletin is Feb.12, 2008 My post above (including the oil capacities) was cut and pasted straight from the bulletin. The Min & Max lines on the dipstick picture are now labeled "Hot" Levels. NOTE The actual range between MIN and MAX on the dipstick is 8.5 fl. oz. (0.25 L), not 17.0 fl. oz. (0.5 L) as currently shown on the dipstick markings. (Message edited by xb9 on February 15, 2008) | ||
| Baggermike |
I drain starting at the filter side and remove filter first then the plug underneath the filter first then leave open and drain from right side leaning bike over, than when put back on kickstand more oil comes out, put plugs in add some oil to filter and add the rest of 3 quarts and I am good to go and never over the full Mark. Mike | ||
| Blake |
"the 1125R engine oil check supplement B-070 dated February 12, 2008." Why do I have a difficult time trying to imagine why someone in charge of such issues hasn't had a major redefinition of their job description? Disgraceful. Buell needs to get the control of such matters moved in house. |
