| Author | Message | ||
     Rocketman |
Another good reason why it's stupid of any manufacturer to launch a new model just before Christmas. The 1125 is expected here sometime March. That's usually around the worst time for British weather. Why oh why not launch at the beginning or midway through a riding season? Rocket | ||
| Fresnobuell |
If you will remember, originally the 1125r was supposed to come out in early November, not Christmas. There was no choice but to deliver in December. What kind of crap would they have caught if they "delayed shipment until after the 1st of the year due to lack of factory support during the holidays." As fas as the British launch, maybe if you point out that the weather is terrible at that point in the year, Buell will recognize its terrible mistake and hold back the bikes until the weather improves. Makes complete sense to me. There is no winning with you, Rocket. | ||
| Rocketman |
November? Oh, wow, that really makes a difference.......................if you live in Florida! Let me see now. Who else just launched a new model besides Buell. Ah em. Oh er. No, maybe. Mmmm. You know what, I give in. Can't think of anyone that launched a new bike in the middle of a snow storm and the Christmas holiday. Must make for great publicity. Rocket | ||
| Buellblastrider |
"Let me see now. Who else just launched a new model besides Buell. Ah em. Oh er. No, maybe. Mmmm. You know what, I give in. Can't think of anyone that launched a new bike in the middle of a snow storm and the Christmas holiday. Must make for great publicity." wrong the ducati 848, 1098R, Hypermotard S, and a 696 monster just came into dealers a week or 2 ago. honostly if i can find a way to buy one of the 848's this time next year i will instead of another Buell | ||
| Rocketman |
They're not entirely new bikes. They're hotted up versions of already existing models that have been available for a few months. Rocket | ||
| Zac4mac |
Curious, BBrider, if you're so HD/Buell oriented, why an 848? Same price, smaller motor, worse dealer support... Not flaming you, just curious as to why. I'm loving my 1125R - Thanks to the Elves and Mr. Erik. Z | ||
| Brad1445 |
Zac, Just curious why you said Ducati has worse dealer support Erico in Denver practically licks my balls they treat me like royalty. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
They're not entirely new bikes. They're hotted up versions of already existing models that have been available for a few months. This guy has an answer for everything. Must be great to never be wrong. What a joke. | ||
| Zac4mac |
Brad - dunno about Denver, makes sense. Up here,north of Denver, I knew of a Duc/BMW place in Ft. Collins but I think they closed. Not that they're bad, no experience, saying they are close to non-existent, from what I've seen. Don't get me wrong, I love Ducs but I doubt I'll ever own one. Now an old Norton or AJS... If I ever hit the lotto, I'll get a Vincent. Z | ||
| Rocketman |
This guy has an answer for everything. Must be great to never be wrong. What a joke. I keep myself informed. What you need to do is not get hung up on my opinion. If I were about to launch my first attempt at a 'sportsbike', and I use the term loosely, I wouldn't do it whilst most of the continent was gripped by winter. It's akin to launching a boat in the Sahara. Nor would I do so just before the biggest holiday of the year. Such is just asking for trouble, as some are bound to have problems, which could in some instances leave the new owner with a broken new bike. Worse still, it could leave a new owner stranded in the middle of nowhere. Don't believe me? Ask anonymous, "I do apologize for the issue; there are always little things that catch us on a new bike, but we surely are going to do our best to resolve them quickly. The dealers have not had in-depth training yet, and are supposed to contact the service group during the initial phase. " Plains, trains and Buells. Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
poo? Prick, more like. Rocket | ||
| Doerman |
Rocket. You're ok. But it would help us all if you would think twice before you enter into a thread not making a constructive contribution. This one is case in point. Captnemo has a real problem. He's looking for answers knowing that Buell employees are monitoring. He did get a response and help seems to be on the way. Your entry into this thread was not constructive to Captnemo's issue, so hence a "poo" subthread. You may think that what you wrote was a worthwhile contribution, but it was not in the eyes of the custodian or mine. Judgment on your part as to when you jump in with distractions might be advisable. Asbjorn | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I keep myself informed. If that is what you call it. More like you are a legend in your own mind. If I were about to launch my first attempt at a 'sportsbike', and I use the term loosely, Why are you exactly here then other than to antagonize people who actually like this new Buell creation? You get some perverse joy out of pissing people off, obviously. You internet hero. I guarantee you that if you were face to face with people on this forum, your smug, condescending, assholish self would sing a different tune. | ||
| Rocketman |
I guarantee you that if you were face to face with people on this forum, your smug, condescending, assholish self would sing a different tune. No, the reality would prove that we \ anyone of us could sit around a table over a beer or three and laugh, cry, agree, disagree about our opinions relating to any motorcycle. I imagine, just like when I go to Sherburn or any other bike meet where I chat with bikers I've never met, the Rock Store or wherever you go to meet bikers in America is no different. Sadly because this is the Internet, I have to deal with people like you who have to form a personal opinion about the type of person I am. That you see me as smug, condescending, and assholish is your problem. Leave the kool aid alone and wake up to what is around you. The world is full of great bikes. I happen to think that the 1125 is ugly amongst them. Until Buell bring a new model to market that meets my approval, I refuse to sing Buells praises on the matter, and I shall continue to offer my opinion whether you like it, understand it, or not. Unless of course, the rug is pulled from under my feet. Which incidentally, is quite likely given your cry baby comments and how yours and others are swaying the management. Rocket | ||
| Dentguy |
Anonymous said.."Do you both have the same problem? I do apologize for the issue; there are always little things that catch us on a new bike, but we surely are going to do our best to resolve them quickly. The dealers have not had in-depth training yet, and are supposed to contact the service group during the intial phase. It certainly could be a low battery or some other minor issue, but with anything new, the dealers do not have the confidence or experience to fix it quickly. They will be good at it very soon, but it is what it is today. It is the service group's job to cover for them during this initial phase." I'm not trying to rain on anyones parade and I know things do sometimes happen on new models (I owned one of the first 100 Ulysses), But shouldn't the dealers who are selling these bikes already be trained to deal with them. I would be plenty upset after spending hard earned money on a new bike to find out the dealer who sold it to me isn't prepared to deal with it so I can't ride it. I'm sure Anonymous means well and will do what's possible to help fix any problems, but maybe the bikes shouldn't have been released until the dealers have had in-depth training. (Message edited by dentguy on December 26, 2007) | ||
| Anonymous |
There is nothing like working on them to get you comfortable is what I am saying. No matter whether you have read the manuals or done on-line training or sat in a class, no one is comfortable until they have worked on several of them in their own workspace with there own tools. That is what customer service initial care is for, experienced people on the phone who have had there hands on many of the bikes. Once the dealers have a number on the road, services behind them and a few fixes, the discomfort will be gone. De-bugging electrical or fueling issues is one of the most challenging tasks for someone new to a bike. It doesn't matter whether it is an 1125R or a new R6 with electronically controlled throttle stack lengths. It's all new and customer service is supposed to be there to walk dealer staff through. The gap of Christmas vacation just happens to be an issue we are trying to help this guy through. There has been dealer training, just not enough to make them comfortable. Now I am going to leave this thread to try to do productive work like track down people on their vacation. | ||
| Xb984r |
"I guarantee you that if you were face to face with people on this forum, your smug, condescending, assholish self would sing a different tune" Come on tough guy,settle down,no need to get your panties in a bunch over a motorcycle.Save it for something worthwhile. | ||
| Rocketman |
Sorry but this religious thread monitoring is a little tedious. Next thing you know we'll need a reading skills license to participate. Don't take this personal, but please f off with this politically correct bulltwaddle. This is the BadWeB, not friggin NASA. We're blathering bikes, not launching Shuttles. Rocket | ||
| Smoke |
sean, how many ways do you have to say that you do not like any of the current Buell motorcycles? it is getting old, but we can still share a few pints. you buy what you want and everyone else will buy what they want. HAPPY NEW YEAR!! tim | ||
| Socoken |
Sean, If you havent figured out by now that you tend to get under a lot of peoples skin, then you are definitely NOT a rocket scientist. Im guessing you do understand though, which makes your lack of tact and tone a bit puzzling. Did Santa shit in your stocking? | ||
| Rocketman |
Put it another way. How much entertainment has BadWeB been this past week, if it were not for me. Who's this Santa guy you lot keep talking about? I thought this was a Buell forum? Rocket | ||
| Socoken |
Santa was the guy who was supposed to bring my 1125r a couple days ago. If there was a way I could ignore all of your posts, and just never see them on my screen, I dont know that I would use it. Entertaining yes, though provoking yes, but frustrating sometimes, hell yes. Everything in moderation. | ||
| Brad1445 |
Fresnobuell Posted on Wednesday, December 26, 2007 - 08:16 pm: ........... you are a legend in your own mind. ....... I guarantee you that if you were face to face with people on this forum, your smug, condescending, assholish self would sing a different tune. _________________________________ Wow, you would think he insulted your mom. You and a few others are so defensive that there is little discussion going on about opportunities for future Buells. You want to think perfection has been achieved already. I don't think it has, nor will it ever, on any bike. I can tell you weak areas on all my bikes but that does not mean I don't love them. I do. I even still want to get a 1125R I'm talking myself past my looks hang-up so I can enjoy the rest of it. But sometimes I get a little turned off here with the sanctimonious attitude. Sometimes you make it look like a BMW board. If Buell froze the bike in time you would be severely disappointed in a few years as things have to always get better to compete. They can only get better with open and honest discussion. I think I'm a better than average supporter of BMC but you have torn me a new one over and over because I don't like the looks as much as you. Don't scare people off for little things like that. | ||
| Zac4mac |
I don't want you to leave Sean, and I've said some nasty things too. You've been here a long time and that carries a lot of weight with me. I just get tired of the attacks. I can tell you're a hella motorhead, so be constructive. I like the 1125R and I bought one. I don't like Ulys or CityXs or even Lightnings, didn't buy one of them. Enough crap, can we enjoy our bikes? Z | ||
| Rocketman |
I can't help being autocratic where Buell are concerned. Ever since the X1 hit the streets, it's been clear to me Buell have lacked my guidance. What I offer Buell here is for free. I do this from the goodness of my heart. And look at the shit I have to put up with because of it. Ungrateful comes to mind  Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
Oh heck. Look peeps, I got caught up in the 1125 'I don't like the looks' thing. That I got deeper in than maybe I would have liked, is not entirely my own fault. When the guys that sit in the ivory tower start throwing crap my way because I happen to agree with those not liking the 1125, such just baits me. One thing besides me that remains a constant on this board is Buell's (as an individual and as a whole) unwillingness to ever accept anything is a compromise. Not that it's a big deal, but why not say so, or why not admit it? Instead we are force fed this crap that Buells way is holier than thou. The Helmholtz air box on the S1's. Didn't matter it was the ugliest thing ever. In Buells eyes it was not a compromise, but a thing of uncharacteristic beauty that brought about performance previously not experienced from a Sportster motor. Just the other day we're lead to believe the 1125 is the most aerodynamic naked bike ever produced, and Buell could have done better still had they have wanted. It's a freaking design compromise, which I wholeheartedly embrace and understand. The fact that Buell can't admit such just smacks to me of lies and customer betrayal. That makes me look harder as to why Buell would defend such a ponderous looking contraption in the name of engineering and aerodynamic marvel. Are they really that embarrassed by it? If so, it says to me, this is the best we can achieve to hit production targets based on the available funds we have. Therefore everything's a cop out. We have seen this run through Buells veins ever since Harley took control. The whole race thing is a piss poor effort when compared to smaller European companies who are experiencing great success where Buell should be, are we to believe what we are told about Buells passion for racing. One French national title for Buells race bike is a mere pimple on the racing world calendar. So will be the same where sales of the 1125 are next to all the other great naked bikes on offer today. A mere pimple. Why is that? Why would anyone put so much into being a pimple on someones arse? There really could be, and should be, so much more from Buell. Instead we get the ugliest bike of all time, the Blast, which was so ugly Buell dared not export it. The race bike might have been a success if it were at least ten years earlier, but where was it ever meant to race? Does anyone really know? I sure as hell don't. As such, I refuse to take it seriously. It's a museum piece the minute it rolled off the line. Maybe, just maybe, I hit a raw nerve in the ivory tower, and that's why I get so much shit despite not being alone in my opinions towards the models Buell bring to market. What's the overriding factor here? Rocket | ||
| Dentguy |
Wow I respond to a comment that Anonymous made and my comments get moved to the Poo thread. I didn't bash anybody or any bikes. Couldn't they have been left with the trouble with the bikes thread? I didn't think I was a part of the pissing contest. (Message edited by dentguy on December 27, 2007) | ||
| Brad1445 |
Dentguy, It's not really free speech. I read your post and agree it was pertinent to the current newly released model. PS I too was an early adapter to Ulysses thats why I', taking it slowly on the 1125R. This bike seems to have touched a very defensive nerve within Camp Buell. I though I was part of that camp until they started making it us and them if you express any deviation from marketing. O yeah, did I mention I'm a marketing manager for a parent company of 14 smaller companies.  I feel their pain. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Maybe you hit a raw nerve by walking into somebodies living room, and peeing all over it. You seem to equate getting a reaction from people as being an indication of your importance or value, and nothing could be farther from the truth. We appreciate and value you in spite of your posts, not because of them. | ||
| Rocketman |
That fact you can't even quote me without leaving the word 'shit' in the quote tells me I'm banging my head on a brick wall where you're concerned. The point about reactions around here is this Bill. When did you ever raise one? Maybe I am important. Important enough to at least throw up some unbiased commentary. I really like the way everyone on the side of the 1125 defends its looks, yet no one seems to want to discuss how its aerodynamics make it the best aerodynamic naked bike ever made. If such is true, and this got touched upon in the relevant thread, why would the Buell anonymous or the not so anonymous not want to show off their great feat amongst us Buell faithful? Could it be like most things I ask questions about, that get turned into argument, be because we're having the wool pulled over our eyes? I think so. I don't for one moment think it's the most aerodynamic. I don't for a moment think it will see off a GSXR or an R1, or a 1098 come to it. I don't for a moment believe the RWHP claims, and I don't for a moment believe the restricted to 116 RWHP 1125 that hit 171 MPH had its HP or speed accurately measured. So I ask for proof. Is it so bad that I should want such proof when the claims made are so flamboyant? I don't think so. As much as I come here for fun and friendship, I come here for motorcycle talk. Not just to talk about how a LED turn signal needs a resistor to make it flash at the correct rate, but more to challenge, to learn, to understand, to debate, to argue, the Buell motorcycle company - because I own one and feel some affiliation toward the marque despite my disliking of the more recent models produced. Because I bought the products, I'm not important. I'M ENTITLED. Rocket |
