| Author | Message | ||
     Garrett2 |
will one be offered by buell for this bike? i dont know much about these, will it be difficult to use a standard aftermarket unit on the 1125R? | ||
| M1combat |
Damper Damper Damper. Sorry... | ||
| Garrett2 |
sorry  | ||
| M1combat |
I am interested in knowing the answer though  . From the looks of it the current ones won't work but I'm reasonably certain that someone will come up with one... | ||
| Darkice19 |
Its not hard to fabricate mounts for a damper. I took my xb9 to a jap shop and had one fitted as best they could and then made my own brackets. | ||
| Coal400 |
I had heard that the damper for the RR is a bolt on for the ll25R | ||
| Vagelis46 |
This could be a good 'kit' offered by Buell. | ||
| Ratbuell |
The RR uses a transverse mount shorty, mounted inside the front fairing and to the fairing skeleton. If the 1125r has a similar skeleton spine, I'm sure it could work. I just didn't have time to poke around inside the fairing at the Pocono day to see if the structure is similar. I'm thinking about putting a similar design in my S2 - compact, out of the way, and won't interfere with the oil cooler or lower fairings. I've got a 'traditional' mount one on my S1 (by my left knee) and now that I have it set for the resistance level I want, I haven't touched it..so having it "out of reach" inside the fairing wouldn't be much of an issue for me on the S2. | ||
| Xbolt12 |
It looks to me like the damper kit Innovation sold would bolt right on if the bracket was made large diameter for the fork leg. | ||
| Buellrcr |
their is a steering damper going to be made | ||
| Thunderbox |
If there is no problem why do we need a damper for this bike? Is there something wrong with it that it requires this as a corrective action? | ||
| Court |
>>>Is there something wrong with it that it requires this as a corrective action? I doubt there is anything wrong or that you need a dampener. Most dampener are primarily cosmetic and do for a motorcycle what a paper bag does for an ugly date. Most of all it just makes fun internet farkle talk. | ||
| Bobup |
most, if not all, racing orgs REQUIRE a steering dampner | ||
| Reepicheep |
Were you guys paying attention about a week ago? I spotted one on a very stock 1125 test mule, and anony confirmed that it was indeed running a steering damper. The next most obvious question would have been "who made it and how does it hook up?". But like Court says, I rode an 1125 on a track, and felt no need for one at all. | ||
| Buellrcr |
no just for race use | ||
| Old_man |
Dampener?? Why would anyone want to get their steering wet? But I do have a damper on my bike. (Something you don't really need until you need it.) | ||
| Ceejay |
I tried to find that pic, as it's a good one, but can't anymore... | ||
| Court |
The damper is a band-air for an improperly set-up suspension in most cases. There was a dandy pic of one on the 1125r that Shawn had at Daytona for testing. | ||
| Old_man |
There is no difference in the handling of my bike with or without the damper. I will probably never have need for it. I look at it as an insurance policy.-- (Something you get and hope you never have to use.) | ||
| Budc |
My theory, The bike that Shawn rode did have a dampener on it and I believe that it was the same one that's for the XBRR. Except for those tracks, like Daytona, that have very high banking, there is absolutely no need for a dampener on this bike. Court is correct, as always, a dampener is really just a band-aid for an ill-handling (ie. ill-prepared) suspension. In none of the sessions that I rode this bike at Road America did I find a reason what so ever to put a dampener on this bike. Now my '04 XB12S that's a different story. IMHO. BudC | ||
| Dano_12s |
+1 Old Man,Hindsight is 20/20.Cheap insurance.Tankslapper's are NO FUN! | ||
| Xb9 |
I could see a benefit to having a damper on the 1125r at Mid-Ohio where there is off-camber and elevation changes while driving off of turns. The front end gets light or off the ground on acceleration real easy and without a damper I would get a big twitch the moment the wheel comes off the ground. Can get your attention if you don't anticipate it and adjust the throttle and/or steering input accordingly. In this case it has nothing to do with a "speed wobble" or "tank slapper" - just a very generous power output when flogged on the race track | ||
| Ceejay |
I'd get a good twitch when the wheel came back down between 6 and 7(I think those are the right numbers). my little 9 didn't have any problems with this area, on that 1125, it became interesting pulling out of that turn as your leaned over, gassing it, and the track falls away, plus your immediately setting up for the next turn(7). That track is fun, as is the bike. Where did that pic go btw? | ||
| Xb9 |
Ceejay, yea, that's the short stretch I was talking about - It's off camber, you're accelerating, the elevation drops away, and you're making a left-right transition all simultaneously. I ended up have to back off the throttle there to keep some weight on the front end so I wouldn't throw it away. Just before the right hander going into Thunder Valley. Yea, that track rocks like no other. Very technical. | ||
| Ceejay |
Very cool spot, first time through there I just about threw the 1125 away. came through 6 grabbed a handful, pulled a crossed up wheelie, and made a mental note to control my hamfist next time I really liked that part of the track. Thunder alley I kept thinking I was going to hit my head on the brake marker! I doubt the bike needs a damper much, but I've never had a tankslapper so I wouldn't know what one feels like, thus I'm not scared of them like others may be. | ||
| Buellrcr |
then if a steering damper in a band-aid then why do pro racers use them, with high dollar forks and shocks the best money can buy? , when pushing the bike to the limts ,a damper in needed, for safty if any, tank slapper at 150 in the kink at vir is not fun. | ||
| Coal400 |
I think what Court was getting at was that a damper should not serve as a substitute for good engineering or quality components. It could be said that putting a damper on a street bound 1125R is like slathering a prime porterhouse in A1. On the other hand, I'm sure there would be quite a few component upgrades that would improve the racing characteristics of the 1125R | ||
| Buellborn |
This is getting to be funny stuff. It's almost like there is a reality distortion field around the 1125R. Of course a dampener has value. It may not for most people on the street but to say they have no value is incorrect. To all who blindly argue that the current 1125R was sent from heaven is divine and perfect, how will you explain it when Buell makes modifications enhancements and improvements. Or should they not? | ||
| Coal400 |
I hope that I did not come off saying the bike was perfect. Let me take another shot at this one... I was addressing the subject on adding a damper to an 1125R "Street Bike". My point was that I don't believe a damper should be required on a street bike. My V45 had the shakes and this was the reason why I sold it. I don't recall a damper being available at that time, but today its an apparent design flaw in the motorcycle (most everyone had experienced this with the v45) Why purchase a bike @ $12-13k, then throw an add-on to address problems that should not exist in the first place? The bike is not really equipped for racing, so I can buy the race application argument. ...But could you agree that most put these add-ons for bling? Where is the reality distortion here? | ||
| Buellrcr |
will we bought the 1125r to race super twins ,moto-st, and even maybe some asra super stock., if i get my lap times down |
