| Author | Message | ||
     Lucas70374 |
What is the problem with getting dealers 1125R? Theres dealers getting more then 1 bike and Dealers like myself can not get a Build date on ours. The dealers that have them discounting bikes and I have a waiting list to get these out the door. BUELL WHAT IS GOING ON? | ||
| Ratbuell |
Personally (and as a dealer) I think it sucks that there are dealers discounting a brand new model (as if they're going to be slow movers). I don't condone gouging either. Buell has set a price; show some respect to the value of the product (and to the manufacturer) and sell it for list price. IMO this bike is worth more than the list price; I think its great that Buell has it so reasonably priced. I also believe there are very few buyers out there who will argue that point with me. | ||
| B18c5 |
Why would buell ship multiple bikes "NOT MENTIONING ANY DEALERS IN OHIO" up north when there is a foot of snow on the ground. Why not ship most of them down south where it is 70 degrees outside!!! " The high today is 81" South Louisiana will be lucky if we even get 1 by January!!!  (Message edited by b18c5 on December 11, 2007) | ||
| Doerman |
Joe, As just a customer I fully concur with you. The bike is a great value at MSPR. I bough my first Buell in 1995 at the same price. I loved my S2, but the 1125R is so much more and 12 years of inflation later. Asbjorn | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
I'm in sales and nothing puts a bigger smile on my face than to take orders from my competition. The thing that kills me about HD/Buell sales is charging more for a new model. Rocker = lets charge 2000 over MSRP + FRT + PREP 1125R = lets charge 1200 over MSRP + FRT + PREP Its a luxury item, I don't need it. I want it!! BAD!! But, screw me on the deal and I wont be back. The best customer is a repeat customer and the best advertising is word of mouth. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
FYI, its going to be over 50 here today. | ||
| Ceejay |
B18c5-I live in Cbus, about an hour south of "not mentioning any dealers in ohio". It 57 today, a bit rainy but I've ridden in worse. Give them a call, I'd bet they'd take your money. take the day off, go get it. I've driven further for less... | ||
| Ratbuell |
Wolfridge - note my first comment above: "I don't condone gouging either". The manufacturer picked MSRP for a reason. People wonder why the industry in general, and HD/Buell sales and trade values in particular, are in the crapper? Because the same dealers who were gouging back when there were three-year-long waiting lists are now blowing bikes out to keep their turnover rates up. If a new bike is only "worth" MSRP minus 1500, or minus 2500, then what logically happens to used bikes' values? Right. They plummet. And that pisses off the people who paid gouge prices years ago for their 100th anniversary HDs. And I beg to differ. The best customer is a *happy* customer. Happy customers come back. Anybody can give stuff away and make someone happy, but in the long run, who does that benefit? The manufacturer? Dealer? Or just one person - the customer. I'm not anti-customer. I'm only saying that both sides of The Table have to play fair if they want the brand, and the industry, to survive. | ||
| Zac4mac |
Wolf - I'm paying MSRP +250 frt +366 in options-10% +180 prep +2.9%tax = $12.8k No gouge Z | ||
| No_rice |
mine was supposed to ship yesterday(again...) and as of just a bit ago, i still have no vin or confermation of shipment. this is starting to suck. not that i can really ride it, but the way its looking my bike will show up the week of christmas while im out of state most of the week. i just want to be here when it shows up and is uncrated. hell i planned on uncrating it. guess i will have to see how it pans out. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
I agree with you 100%, The best customer is a *happy* customer and in turn *should* be a repeat customer. I'm not saying you have have gouged your customers. I'm just speaking from my dealings. Back in the day when you had to wait for a Harley, I went to a local dealer to see how much they would give me for my Iron Head Sportster on trade. I know its not the best thing to trade in but its what I had. Long story, the OWNER walked out, looked at my bike (never even made eye contact w/me) looked at the salesman and said give him $2500 for it and walked back in the dealership. Needless to say they have never got a dime of my money... (Message edited by wolfridgerider on December 11, 2007) | ||
| Court |
Good business is simple. Don't see everything you believe. I['m fairly sure, since freight scheduling is likley done months in adavnace, that little concern for the weather enters into the equation. I vowed when I graduated that I never wanted to work anymore of those transportation modeling matrixes. . . still stands.  | ||
| Jlnance |
Personally (and as a dealer) I think it sucks that there are dealers discounting a brand new model (as if they're going to be slow movers). It definitely shows how little some dealers know about Buell. | ||
| No_rice |
i am holding out hope that it has shipped and is just not updated yet! | ||
| Spatten1 |
If bikes are being discounted, I'd guess it is because there are no reviews of a good running production bike yet. All of the official magazine print is from pre-pro models that had problems, not ready for prime-time. That is all consumers have to go on at this point. On this site we've gotten good feedback from the track days and heard about improvements in real time. 99.9% of buyers out there do not have this information. I would expect a completely different demand for the bikes if and when they are reviewed in perfect working order and impress the reviewers. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
It definitely shows how little some dealers know about Buell. They are the best bike they have on the floor.... To bad most people don't get it... | ||
| Spatten1 |
Don't have to discount the ass-less chaps and leather vests. They sell themselves! | ||
| Jlnance |
I think the dealer knocked $1000 off M2NC's Uly, back in 2005 when they were as hot and scarce as the 1125 is now, "because it was a Buell." | ||
| Lucas70374 |
we WILL NOT discount or Mark-up, we WILL sell at MSRP plus Frieght, Set-up, and TTL. Its funny how a dealer can get these bikes and not make MSPR to sell the 1125R The first bikes was going to be in in Oct, and Now its Middle of December and Still can not tell a Customer when we are getting the bike in. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
Aren't you glad you don't sell Ducati's or KTM's | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
I have a couple questions.. 1) what's involved in prep that takes 2 hours of labor (at 90 per hour)? 2) Why is the consumer paying additionally for freight? Isn't that part of being a dealer? When I buy a loaf of bread, it's not 1.99 + .50 frieght. I never understood why dealers, who are already making money on the sale, are charging the customer to have COMPANY product deliverd to a COMPANY showroom. I understand auto dealers are the same way and I never understood it. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
we WILL sell at MSRP plus Freight, Set-up, and TTL. And just how much freight and set should someone expect to pay? | ||
| Ratbuell |
On freight - the factory charges us for the bike. Then they charge us for freight. It is a seperate line, and varies...especially in these days of "fuel crisis" and "fuel surcharges". They are also in a seperate line for tax reasons, as some states tax differently for a "physical thing" (i.e. motorcycle) than for a "service" - transportation. Prep? I wasn't here when the 1125 was uncrated, so I don't know its "state of assembly" when it came out of the box...but typically we have to initialize the electronics, hook to diagnostics, print a birth sheet and verify no trouble codes / opens / shorts in the system. We install a battery tender harness on all new bikes. We check all fluids. We adjust all controls (throttle/idle cables, shifters, clutches, brakes, etc). We test ride 12 miles and re-test the electronics / re-check the fluids after the ride. We install as required things like tour paks (not attached at the factory, they don't fit in the crate that way), windshields (see tour pak), mirrors, seats, etc. And, as noted in the "other" thread, we baseline each bike on a dyno. Also factored into the setup charge is a full detail top-to-bottom (it takes nearly 2 hours to get the blue off new whitewalls, LOL) and a full tank of gas. And yes, we charge different setup fees for different bike families. Obviously we're not going to charge a Buell customer for the time it takes to install a tour pak and windshield on an Ultra 2 hours is a deal. Some bikes take over half a day to PDI (Pre Delivery Inspection). Also, every single bike we set up is set up by a trained technician, not a lot attendant. Nobody touches a bike with a wrench here if they haven't been through school(s). | ||
| Ratbuell |
Freight is set by the manufacturer. Its not in the Buell books, but HD lists it in their brochures. Setup is determined by dealers. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
Setup is determined by dealers And thats when you may need the Kentucky Jelly..... | ||
| Jammin_joules |
Ratbuell - I bet the tech checks tire pressures too. Light and creature comfort & controls get verified operational and in the case of the 1125r, radiator fluid level !!!! | ||
| Court |
>>>>2 hours is a deal. I'd agree. I have a case of older PDI manuals and there is a great deal that gets checked prior to a retail sale. It's also the reason, although it's been "kinda looked at" a couple times, for not doing factory delivery. There used to be a PDI manual online. Freight is essentially what the common carrier charges. It's averaged nationwide, so that you don't pay more in WI (where there are few miles to amortize loading and unloading over) and less in CA. Nothing much different than a carmobile. . . | ||
| Jammin_joules |
What is the problem with getting dealers 1125R? There [are] dealers getting more then 1 bike and Dealers like myself can not get a Build date on ours. It is obvious that shipments of the 1125rR have started. However, Buell still has some suppliers who are not yet achieving expected delivery timing of incoming parts, so you can expect some delay to the scheduled shipment timing. That could be affecting your delivery or how your first shipments was allocated in East Troy. As I understand it, factory orders for 1125r were allocated based on two different methods. 1) A specific quantity of this model was allocated based on 12 month XB family retail sales. 2) Additional order requests were submitted by dealers for retail customers placing orders above the initial allocation. | ||
| Blake |
"The first bikes was going to be in in Oct" Well, here I go again...  Ahem... AHHEMMM... That is inaccurate information. It is mistaken insofar as availability to the public is concerned. If I recall accurately, October 15th was targeted and communicated here as the factory kickoff for job #1 1125R production. First mention of initial availability (not the same as total national/global availability) in a dealership to the public was November. As I'm still picking crow feathers from between my teeth, please consider the source and apply all applicable disclaimers, writs and excuses. | ||
| Lucas70374 |
Thanks Jammin Joules, answered my question. Its just hard to understand why some dealers get 3 bikes before I can get my VIN number and shipment date. I mean I know the shop is not a Buell Award winner YET but the shop is consecutive GOLD BAR AND SHIELD. I know for a fact that we the BEST seller in our REGION of buell. The dealership sent 2 sales to the INSIDE TRACK. Man this is just hard to believe, you would think buell would send at least 1 to every buell dealer before sending 3 to one dealer. Our first bike will be held in store till the second one comes in so Customers can acutally see/feel the bike without looking a a brochure or the internet. |
