| Author | Message | ||
     Towjam |
For those of you've had a chance to actually test ride an 1125 (lucky bastards), how would you say the ergos compare to the 12R? Specifically, does the bike feel any taller and is the seating position as aggressive? (On the 12R, the balls of my feet just hit the ground.) thanks in advance | ||
| Schmitty |
I didn't feel any difference. I race an XB9R, and after climbing off of that and onto the 1125R, I felt IMMEDIATELY comfortable. I was able to throw the thing around just like my own bike. The seating position is very similar. Schmitty | ||
| Josh_ |
I switched back and forth between an 08XB12R and the 1125R and they had to point out the bars are a little farther forward on the 1125R. I dunno, I rode a... 04? XB9R a few miles last month and I'd say the 1125R is more comfortable (tho I'm not sure why), but other than the "air pocket" of the 1125R, they are pretty close. | ||
| Anonymous |
The bars are not "a little farther forward on the 1125R" - unfortunately, someone mis-spoke.. Same seat to bar dimensions as the Firebolt. Footpegs, however are a tad lower and more inboard. That extra "comfort" probably comes from more fairing protection, lower pegs. | ||
| Metalstorm |
I've only sat on an 1125R, I havn't ridden one yet. But, just from sitting on it I could tell a difference. The different peg position was really nice. It didn't pitch (rotate?) my body as far forward as on the Bolt. There was a lot less weight on my wrists. I don't know if that feeling remains the same while actually riding it but it sure felt nice sitting on it. | ||
| Towjam |
It didn't pitch (rotate?) my body as far forward as on the Bolt. There was a lot less weight on my wrists. That's encouraging to hear. I know you're supposed to support yourself with your abs but it's hard for me to keep the weight off my wrists - especially in traffic. I found the 12R to be extremely uncomfortable in this regard. (Disclaimer: Almost all my riding is commuting - no track days yet.) My other concern is going to be the seat height. The specs show it to be the same 30.5" as the 12R. I'm hoping the seat is cut a little narrower so that I might get just a little more of my foot down. I'm really looking forward to chance to see one in person - although it's doubtful there'll be any available to demo around here for the foreseeable future.  | ||
| Josh_ |
Its easier to keep the weight off my wrists with the 1125R than with my FJR1300 - and I have bar rider/pullbacks. My legs were sore after the day on the 1125R which (IMO) is a good sign. >unfortunately, someone mis-spoke Oops. I won't repeat it then, I was wondering how that was possible. Pegs are lower? I'll have to try it again, I didn't notice. I'm waiting for MCN's review - I love their ergo diagrams. Dealer said they'll let us test one two-up before we buy, tho with the wife trading her Blast on a 08 XB12Scg, 2-up comfort won't matter as much. | ||
| Ccryder |
Whoooo-whooo MB is coming up in the world!!!! FWIW: The "r" you test drove was a 12 with heli bars and 1" lower "S" pegs. Neil S. | ||
| Xb9 |
It'd be nice if Buell offered a little higher 1125r footpeg kit for track riding... it was the limiting factor in leaning it over at the Inside Pass trackdays. Had to buy new toe sliders after VIR and I was touching them quite a bit at Mid-Ohio, especially in the keyhole  | ||
| Vagelis46 |
So the pegs are lower on the 1125R than on the XB12R. But they are closer together. So, is the lean angle the same for both bikes?? This " big lean angle potential with no pegs dragging" was one of the things I loved on my XB12R. Also a lot of mags, liked this on the XB12R. I thought that people that found the pegs on the XB12R to be really high, could switch to the XB12S pegs, no problem. Now it seems it is just the opposite. But, would it be an easy and "low price" mod to change the 1125R pegs, to something higher ? | ||
| Xb9 |
Looking at this picture I think I was about to drag my toe slider at this point - the bike looks to be leaned over at a good angle though. It just seemed to occur more frequently than when I rode my 9r.  | ||
| Spike |
I thought I read that the reasoning for lowering the pegs on the 1125R vs. the Firebolt was that the pegs could be mounted further inward and thus the same lean angle could be achieved even with the pegs in a lower position. Can an anony confirm that this is the case, maybe with the soft/hard contact numbers for the 1125R? In any case, I ran a 1:47 at VIR North and only ever touched the peg feeler down once on my XB12R with stock pegs. I wasn't able to push the 1125R quite as hard due to the control rider, but I never had any issue with ground clearance on the 1125R. | ||
| Ponti1 |
For what it's worth, here are the lean angles spelled out on the Buell website... Lean Angle:__________1125R___XB12R Soft Contact, Right____48°____47° Soft Contact, Left_____48°____47° Hard Contact, Right____50°____50° Hard Contact, Left_____50°____48° | ||
| Davegess |
I suspect you were touching down more often because you were riding harder. Confidence in the bike will do that. | ||
| Vagelis46 |
Why is there a difference in angle between hard contact right and left on the XB ?? What is the difference between hard and soft contact?? | ||
| Spike |
Soft contact is something that moves, like a spring-loaded peg that can fold out of the way. Hard contact is something that is fixed to the bike, like the kickstand or the exhaust. | ||
| Xb9 |
"I suspect you were touching down more often because you were riding harder. Confidence in the bike will do that." I think you're right Dave, confidence inspiring is an understatement with the 1125r. The bike is so rock solid and stable, everything about it is so good you just go faster and harder without even knowing it. Wish I had lap times to compare with my 9r. The Pirelli tires worked perfectly for the track surface and conditions that day at Mid-Ohio, perfect match. That was not the case at VIR, that track being much more abrasive the tires were going away half way through the sessions. Fun sliding the rear around on the corner exits though. Very predictive and controllable. I can't believe how good the 1125r is. Amazing. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Getting back to the original question about overall comfort: I'm 6'4". 34" inseam, 37" arm, size 13 boot (yeah, I've heard all the Sasquatch jokes). I love the XB/R bikes, but I'm done after about 2 hours. My knees are killing me and my wrists are just about the same, although I attribute the wrists to my XXL glove size and the smallness of a 7/8" bar grip diameter (feels like a pair of pencils in my hands - I squeeze too tight). On an XB/S, I'm perfectly comfortable...sitting on the passenger seat. No exaggeration. The 1125R uses the same tail section, seat, and airbox cover as an XB/R. Seat is the same width and from all indications will even carry the same part number. At Pocono, I was perfectly comfortable on the bike for a whole day. The seat to peg change makes all the difference in the world, IMO. My hips aren't rotated counter to my back position as much, relaxing ...well, everything. Not as much weight transfer to my arms and wrists. Not as much pinch on the hips or knees. Not as much bunching at the ankles, trying to get under/on the toe levers. Reduced drag definitely plays a part, given the 'cockpit' zone behind that awesome front fairing. If you're like me - perfectly at home on a tuber, in love and ready to buy a Uly, and "nearly" comfy on an XB/R...you're gonna loveloveLOVE the 1125R. | ||
| Vagelis46 |
48 degrees of soft contact, is not that impressive for me. Michelin announced that their Pilot Power 2CT, are reaching 51.2 degrees of lean. So why restricting the 1125R ? Since they managed to get the pegs closer, even geater clearance would be something positive. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Typical Buell. Let's see. Narrower engine allows for footpeg placement either a) lower (more comfortable) with consistent lean angle of the XBs OR b) the same as the Firebolt with a couple degrees extra lean angle. I'll take the more comfortable ergos, Thank you. Built from the rider down. take off the peg feelers and you will have your extra 3.2 degrees. (Message edited by fresnobuell on October 16, 2007) | ||
| Spike |
Well, you could just ditch the rider pegs all together and ride on the passenger pegs. That way you'd have enough lean angle to lowside your heart out without ever worrying about dragging a peg. However, for us mere mortals from planet Earth 48 degrees is way more than any of us should be achieving on the street. If we do decide to get stupid and push harder than we should, touching the feelers down with a degree or two to spare before we reach the maximum limit of what the tires are capable of under ideal conditions offers a tiny little margin of safety to remind us we're riding like total squids. If you don't like that little reminder, the feelers are removable. If you drag them enough they'll vibrate loose and fall off on their own (ask me how I know). | ||
| Knickers |
If I'm not mistaken the max lean angle is measured at full compression of the suspension, so in normal 1-up riding with proper setup the number should be higher. 48 degrees = 1.1g without hanging off. | ||
| Vagelis46 |
I wish Buell followed Suzuki's example (GSXR K7), and installed adjustable pegs. This way everybody would be happy. Looking at the XB R/S pegs, it looks it is easier to lower the high pegs of the XBR, than the opposite on the XBS. So those looking for extra comfort, they could do it before the bike leaves the showroom. Not everything that the Buell factory does is 100% correct. I thing the peg thing is one of them. I do not the like the phrase, that is getting really common: "the 1125R is for the street, not for the track". It is like looking for excusses, when the bike is put against the opposition......If this is what the Buell fans trully believe, why is the bike compare to the Aprilia RSV and not to the SV1000, or Honda Firestorm ??? For me ,I would rather ride a bike designed for the track on the street, than a street bike on the track, during the trackdays | ||
| Rfischer |
C'mon guys....isn't SOMEONE gonna' flame him?? He's very tiresome. | ||
| Vagelis46 |
Rfisher, why don't you go to you garage and say hello to your Mercedes, BMW and Adolf Hitler photo...... You do sound like a Nazi! Piss off! | ||
| Anonymous |
He is starting to wear on me, actually... Everyone's an engineer, I guess! | ||
| Zac4mac |
Uncalled for vagelis, even if you're not speaking your native language. chill out. Z | ||
| Fresnobuell |
For me ,I would rather ride a bike designed for the track on the street, than a street bike on the track, during the trackdays That, my friend, is where you differ from most people. The 1125r IS built for the street first, THEN the track a distant second. That being said, the 1125r will be a VERY competent trackday bike. How much time does a typical person spend on the track...less than 5% for sure. But if the track is your priority, the 1125r might not be the bike for you. | ||
| Anonymous |
Vagelis46, if you want to salvage whatever credibility you have remaining on this board, I'd suggest you chill out with the off-topic personal attacks. | ||
| Court |
Ya gotta love the internet . . . where else can you see a Greek guy decrying a bike that's not yet been released and calling a guy from Syracuse, NY a Nazi. . . . this is better than the 3 pigs at the circus in Salina when the kids gave them the brownies laced with dope. Hey . . . it's all Greek to me! |
