| Author | Message | ||
     Rocketsprink |
Boy, all the haters are going to eat 5hit now! They know who they are!! So do we! (Message edited by rocketsprink on July 09, 2007) | ||
| Ridrx |
Hater should not fret...Buell-Aid will wash that nasty Crow taste right on down...hahaha 1125cc should do the trick! (Message edited by RidrX on July 09, 2007) | ||
| Court |
>>>They know who they are!! Be gentle . . . motorcycles come and go but friends are there for a long time. Court | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Who would want a bike that doesn't create some sort of passion, for or against? Today's "hater" is tomorrow's most hardcore fan. | ||
| Jimidan |
Who would want a bike that doesn't create some sort of passion, for or against? Today's "hater" is tomorrow's most hardcore fan. I agree with the first statement, and add who would pay $12,000+ for a bike that they are not passionate about? I don't know how efficient the 'conversion software' is to make today's hater tomorrow's fan...does it have anything to do with pixie dust? I think "hater" is a very strong term that is best saved for those who actually are, rather than those who are skeptical, or on the fence or inquisitive. The new 1225R is certainly the strong medicine needed to cure any doubting disease skeptics may have, but hate is a whole other emotion.} | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Those who "hated" the lump might love the Helicon. I'd say that's Buell Software v3.0. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
My riding buddy just dumped a bunch of bike mags on me--I just read an old one (Motorcyclist) that was going over the new 2006 line. They mag LOVED (and called it possibly a "key part in shaping te future of real-world road use") the Triumph Daytona 675 because "after a close first look at the Daytona Speed 675, its exceedingly difficult not to conclude that Triumph has turned a new page in sportbike development by combining the best of two worlds in a single package that shows plenty of original thought. By blending the grunty low-end of a twin with the more eager appetite for revs--and compact build--of a triple, the British manufacturer has created a super-middleweight of sorts and the lean build of a V-Twin. Such a combination could easily become a firm favorite among discerning riders for whom horsepower numbers and quarter-mile stats are much less important than fun factor." I know that the 1125r is shooting for a difference class of bikes, but from early reports, you should be able to substitute the "1125r" for "Daytona" in the above quotes. I too believe the media will drool over the 1125r. | ||
| Crusty |
I would almost put money down that Motorcyclist finds a reason to badmouth the 1125. They've dumped on every other Buell they've gotten their hands on. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I believe the appearance will be the only negative about this bike. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and if you like Buells you will be much more appreciative of the 1125r appearance and if you don't like Buell, then you will almost certainly not like the looks. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
I agree Harlan (Fresnobuell), and one of the reasons I have always liked Buells is that I always try and drive and ride something away from the norm and a little different and Buell fits that niche nicely. If someone considers the 1125R a little different from most sport bikes, thats good, and I love it. Enjoy. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
To clarify, I think the bike looks great--and most certainly from reports, even better in person. "Dead sexy" seems to be a common quote. Detractors may never like the looks of the 1125r, but they will most certainly have to respect the "function" of this machine--when we are owning the corners AND the straights. | ||
| Brad1445 |
I want to hear the good news What's this thread about? | ||
| Gregtonn |
Crusty, Obviously somebody at Motorcyclist took a WAG and high-sided themselves. Lets give them another chance. G. | ||
| Jaimec |
I remember a pretty damned positive article about the Ulysses and Lightning Long in Motorcyclist when those models were released so you can't say they dump on EVERY Buell model. | ||
| Jimidan |
I would almost put money down that Motorcyclist finds a reason to badmouth the 1125. They've dumped on every other Buell they've gotten their hands on. I read the magazine and I can say that that statement is simply not true. You are dumping on the magazine unfairly. They liked the X1 and every XB model since. In fact, the motorcycle press in general have been very favorable to Buells, although they have called for the 1225R for a looong time. The phrase "udder, contemptible lies" (from a sign I saw that said "eat more chickin"), comes to mind. Eating crow is best done while it is warm, Crusty...would you like to supersize that?  The Magazine was probably the first to scoop (get it?) the new Buell in its latest August edition, with a photoshopped picture of an XB with front radiator...Catterson did not have a crystal ball, but he got most of his guesses correct...'cept for "Traditional belt drive will, however, likely be replaced by a chain to cope with the 120-plus horsepower on tap." Now we all know that it has a belt to cope with the 146 HP on tap. (Message edited by jimidan on July 29, 2007) | ||
| Elvis |
I think Motorcyclist's primary problem with previous Buells has been with the engine. The air-cooled engine is so unique, it practically forces people to take a "Love it or Hate it stand", and more often than not, the writers at Motorcyclist seem to fall into the "Hate it" catagory. I can't fault them for that. The air-cooled engines clearly aren't for everybody. Since they have clearly been saying they want a new engine, it will be interesting to see what they say. My prediction is that they become big Buell fans with the introduction of this bike, but that's still to be seen. If they spend more time talking about the appearance of the pods than the performance of the engine, I will write them off as prejudiced against Buell. I don't think that's going to happen, and I'm going to give them a chance just like I hope they give this bike a chance. (Message edited by elvis on July 29, 2007) | ||
| Crusty |
I stand by my statement. When the rag publishes their "review", we'll see. Or rather, you'll see. I refuse to buy it. | ||
| Bads1 |
Jimidan wrote, The Magazine was probably the first to scoop (get it?) the new Buell in its latest August edition, with a photoshopped picture of an XB with front radiator...Catterson did not have a crystal ball, but he got most of his guesses correct...'cept for "Traditional belt drive will, however, likely be replaced by a chain to cope with the 120-plus horsepower on tap." Cycle World new way before Motorcyclist ever thought about it. Remember Buell has EX-Cycle World Employee... damn its early whats his name again ??? | ||
| Jimidan |
Elvis says: I think Motorcyclist's primary problem with previous Buells has been with the engine. True enough, since the S2, the motorcycle press has not liked the lump much...and they had some valid reasons, which I did not necessarily agree with all of them since I have them in my bikes. It is not "air cooled" engines that they have dumped on in the past...but rather the 45 degree HD lump specifically. They love BMW and Ducati's air cooled engines. But the reviews of the Uly and others have been quite favorable even w/regard to the engine. But I think that Motorcyclist mag's primary problem with Buell were the recalls and tube frame durability issues...whether they were real or imagined. But those problems haven't been on the forefront lately as Buell has a much better rep now. They seem to actually like Buells these days, and I will bet that they love the new one, although they may rip on the scoops...who knows? Cycle World may have known about the 1125R way before Motorcyclist ever thought about it, but they didn't print anything about it in their August issue like MC did. Maybe Steve A didn't tell them anything or maybe the issue went to press before they could get something in, who knows? But it wasn't in there, which has MC "scooping" it first. | ||
| Jimidan |
Crusty: I stand by my statement. When the rag publishes their "review", we'll see. Or rather, you'll see. I refuse to buy it. I would expect nothing else. I will not try and confuse you any more with the facts. We will keep you posted on what they say...but by then the crow is going to be pretty cold!  | ||
| Danny_h__jesternut |
Catterson from Motorcyclist, started at, is also origanaly from Cycle World. | ||
| Garrett2 |
what is the "crow" talk all about? as far as bike mags hating the buell, no not really, read one of the new motorcyclists, they have a uly as a longterm test bike and the guy was talkingabout how great it was. theyve always talked about its handling. only thing they hated was the lump, and for good reason. while its a great motor its just so underpowered | ||
| Jimidan |
what is the "crow" talk all about? It seems to be about folks who haven't read a bike mag ("rag") for 10 years...don't confuse them with the facts. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I don't think the "hater" label applies only to the press. Since 2006 the magazines have been mostly favorable. I believe the "hater" label applies more to rider detractors, not press. | ||
| Crusty |
Facts. I can't produce them. I can't quote articles, because I don't save magazines that I don't like. However,I remember how they loved to run the S2 they were "testing" to 8,000 RPM so it would smoke heavily. They bragged about it in the article. I also remember the road test they did on an M2. They could find nothing wrong with it, but for every good point they made about the bike, they threw in a qualifying statement; so that while they didn't say anything bad, the implication was that the bike was a piece of crap. And weren't they insistent that the frame geometry on the XBs was wrong, and the bikes had to be unstable with such a steep rake; even after the XBs had been out for a couple of years and had proved otherwise? You seem to feel that there is some deficiency in me because I don't buy overly biased rags that denigrate the things I enjoy. I would question why someone would wallow in the bile of blatant prejudice and obvious bias against something they claim to support . | ||
| Bads1 |
My thoughts are the same as Crusty's. I've read just about every write up they have had since the XB-s came out. It was negative in most part. As far as Steve A. not giving Cycleworld anything to print is because Motorcyclist knew nothing and could only speculate on what it could look like or have for a motor and rumor. I think with the relationship Steve,Buell and CW has they'd print when the info was given to them. As far as the long term test that the ULY had in Motorcyclist.... it was Aaron Frank that wrote it and he himself is from Wisconsin and also a racer here. I know him to some extent and its probably the only hope we have for that rag to have any good faith. | ||
| Xbolt12 |
In one test I believe it was Stark who said something of the XB along the lines of:"without a doubt the worst motorcycle I have ever ridden" Seems pretty anti to me..... | ||
| Jimidan |
However,I remember how they loved to run the S2 they were "testing" to 8,000 RPM so it would smoke heavily. They bragged about it in the article. I also remember the road test they did on an M2. They could find nothing wrong with it, but for every good point they made about the bike, they threw in a qualifying statement; so that while they didn't say anything bad, the implication was that the bike was a piece of crap. Memories are funny like that...the mind is a terrible thing to change. I have an S2 and you couldn't rev one to 8 grand if you wanted to...it had a rev limiter set at 6250 RPM. You must be confused. I think that the story you were referring to was about an S3...and it is about 10 years ago. I acknowledged that the press was not very nice to tube-framed Buell's, of which I have 3 VIN #'s in my garage. Love for a bike can be measured in many ways, but purchasing the product is the best one. It is much different in the mc press now days...but don't take my word for it, ask anyone who actually reads the mags that you don't like (besides bads1 that is). The times they are a'changing. example: http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/newsandupdates/122_2007_buell_lightning_xb12sst/ http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/newsandupdates/122_0607_2007_buell_motorcycles_announced/ (Message edited by jimidan on July 30, 2007) | ||
| Towjam |
http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/newsandupdates/1 22_2007_buell_lightning_xb12sst/ http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/newsandupdates/1 22_0607_2007_buell_motorcycles_announced/ These two links probably aren't the best examples as they are basically just regurgitated press releases. However, most of the actual reviews I've read on the XB line (including print and online) has been relatively favorable. My favorite online resource - motorcycle.com is one of the most pro-Buell publications but on the other hand, the UK's motorcyclenews.com is downright hostile at times. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I really liked the Motorrad article on the long term 12S test. They fully admitted believing that they could grenade the engine after 12,000kms. I'm sure they didn't treat it kindly. It held up. There are a few naysayers left in the press, but 90% of the articles I have read since 2006 regarding Buells has been favorable. I can't remember too many manufacturers who are as responsive to correcting problem areas. It only took two subsequent model years to correct the pinging and the steering lock. How long was the "thingamajig" a problem on the KLR650? How long was the clutch basket a problem on the DL's? There are other examples. Does Buell fix everything? Nope. Ask those with rusting mufflers. Ask those with Firebolt headlights. Ask those with previous model "pingers". I would say, though, that Buell does more to try to correct problems ASAP and goes above and beyond to try to make things right for owners. How many companies would send engineers down to dismantle and rebuild an engine in an effort to address the ping? How many would have sent engineers down to address the head shake for Eor? Very few. I'm sure some would say that I have had a fresh dose of Buell-Aid this morning, but I believe that BMC is on the edge of greatness. The press wants to like Buell. The 1125R gives them a reason. The sheeple will follow. The smarts ones are already owners.  |
