| Author | Message | ||
     Regkittrelle |
uh... Jimi... about that analogy. No one listens to anyone on these boards... any boards. These are simply places where people come to spray their scent just like a pack-o-dogs. We just happen to be sprayin' in the same direction, instead of on each other. | ||
| L_je |
"We are here at Deal's Gap where we have secretly replaced the rider of this Buell XB12X with an 800 pound gorilla. Let's watch on our hidden camera and see if anybody notices the difference." So, why do we tend to perk up when we see something posted by Anonymous? This example isn't entirely analogous, but it's close.... Look at all of the "Fighter Aircraft" messaging boards out there. What if Kelly Johnson were to drop in on those boards from time to time and explain some of the real reasons behind some of these aircraft designs? That would probably create a bigger buzz than a naked supermodel strolling through a Star Trek convention. Well? Well, it aint goinna happen because (a) he is dead, and (b) no other corporation on Earth would allow for it. Hey Anonymous, could you go back and put some punctuation after that dead horse animation? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
replaced the rider of this Buell XB12X with an 800 pound gorilla It makes it easier for the smaller riders to tuck in behind to take advantage of the decreased drag. You got the double benefit of following an 800lb gorilla AND a Yeti.  | ||
| Jimidan |
I don't see any bitterness in Reg's posts. Looks to me like he's just calling it the way he sees it. Many of us do. But there is a price to be paid for stepping over that line and speaking your mind, like Reg was talking about. It is seen by some as bitterness, naysaying, azzholeness, insulting, CONDESCENDING, anti-christ, or whatever. There are some on here who will let you have it, and let you have it good!  For the most part, it is not too serious, but I wonder if the day will come when some guy with a real macho name will walk up to me at Daytona and ask, "Are you Jimidan?", and when I answer yes, he'll knock my ol' arse off. In Battle2Win  (I still have every one of them, and read them over and over...) there was an evolution in Reg's writing from the first issue to the last that went from basically a cheerleader of the man and the brand to a respectful critic. This occurred over the years as Buell grew from a what has been called a "kit-bike builder" to a first class manufacturer of the XB, that could go head to head with anybody in fit and finish. One thing that you could always count on was that Reg would tell it like it was, even if it was considered politically incorrect by the "Kool Aide" drinkers. It is good to see that he hasn't lost that ability...he has aged like fine wine. Thanks for your reality check, Reg. Jimi | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
"Kool Aide" drinkers. Would that be name calling again? | ||
| Blake |
Insult ¹ Thoughtful Criticism Rudeness ¹ Thoughtful Criticism In summary: Disrespect ¹ Thoughtful Criticism
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| Blake |
I'd much rather put up with "kool aid drinkers" than bile garglers. | ||
| Bigdaddy |
The whole Kool Aid thing has bothered me, and Kool Aid/Kraft, since 1978. Crazy Jim Jones & Company used Flavor Aid to poison (the ones that didn't get shot) the Jonestown people. | ||
| Regkittrelle |
And where, Blake, is the fount of this wisdom? | ||
| Anonymous |
Maybe, for the topics here, on the team that just delivered an all new American sportbike? | ||
| Jimidan |
Belittlement ¹ Thoughtful Criticism Insult ¹ Thoughtful Criticism Rudeness ¹ Thoughtful Criticism In summary: Disrespect ¹ Thoughtful Criticism Ignorance refusing to hear wisdom is disrespectful. . Disrespect precludes objectivity. . A lack of objectivity leads to ignorance. . Return to #1. Insult=disrespect wisdom=scent spraying thoughtful criticism=relative term Blake=pithy Think your are taking this pithy thing a little over the edge? Use more words, and eat more chicken. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
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| Jimidan |
"Kool Aide" drinkers. Would that be name calling again? I don't know, let's examine just the way it was used: "One thing that you could always count on was that Reg would tell it like it was, even if it was considered politically incorrect by the "Kool Aide" drinkers." Who am I calling the name? "Kool Aide" drinkers. What am I calling them? "Kool Aide" drinkers. So in summation, I am calling Kool Aide drinkers, Kool Aid drinkers. I admit that I am calling Kool Aide drinkers Kool Aide drinkers. What was your question again? | ||
| Jimidan |
The whole Kool Aid thing has bothered me, and Kool Aid/Kraft, since 1978. Crazy Jim Jones & Company used Flavor Aid to poison (the ones that didn't get shot) the Jonestown people. The modern use of the term has nothing to do with Jonestown.} | ||
| Jimidan |
I'd much rather put up with "kool aid drinkers" than bile garglers. Are you claiming allegiance to one or the other? | ||
| Regkittrelle |
Anon... And that is why I ask. I seek wisdom in that I might rise above the chuckle-inducing logic equations offered up by our moderator. I seek wisdom so that I might avoid responding to something as silly as a donned Yoda coat. But then, I'm being silly. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The "kool aid" reference is directly related to Jonestown. kool aid 175 up, 59 down "Kool-Aid" is what one drinks metaphorically, in the context of a political campaign, when faced with an eminent loss. The term was popularly referenced in the 1993 film, "The War Room" by George Stephonopolous when he states, "I'm afraid we're all going to have to drink Kool-Aid." The term references the Jonestown massacre in 1978 when all of its inhabitants were directed to ingest cyanide-laced Kool-Aid. Here's the new poll results, folks. Looks like, with 4 days left in the election, we're down by 17 points. Guess it's time for us to bust out the Kool-Aid. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=koo l+aid Just as the Jonestown folks drank the Kool Aid (Flavor Aid) blindly following Jim Jones, the Kool Aid reference to those here on Bad Web connotes images of blind Buell fans who are willing to swallow anything from BMC and kiss Erik's butt. There are the blind fans, the blind haters, and those of us in the middle. In the way you referenced "kool aid drinkers", you posited that there were only two groups, you and everyone else drinking Kool Aid. If someone disagrees with your "telling it like it is", you label them a "kool aid drinker". See how that works. | ||
| Blake |
"And where, Blake, is the fount of this wisdom?" In the realm of man, no singular such "fount" exists; we may however be lucky enough to find folks who have accumulated significant expertise on the topic at hand, whatever it might be. Additionally... What Anony said. | ||
| Regkittrelle |
Blake... I AM being silly here. Even worse, I'm getting in the way of possible good information. Would you mind if I started a separate topic where we all could just sit around and trade insults? | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
why cant we get back on topic and talk more about this awsome bikes lap times and stuff? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Cause we ain't gonna get the lap times. Not yet anyway. Until then, might as well crap in our hands and throw it at each other.  | ||
| Buellshyter |
I'll pass on the crap throwing but you all get to it....you all have been doing a fine job of it, too | ||
| Jimidan |
FTbastard sez: In the way you referenced "kool aid drinkers", you posited that there were only two groups, you and everyone else drinking Kool Aid. If someone disagrees with your "telling it like it is", you label them a "kool aid drinker". See how that works. Your opinion that I "posited that there were only two groups, you and everyone else drinking Kool Aid" is in error. The facts in the record tell us that it was not I who "posited" this fallacy, but your humble narrator, er moderator, when he proclaimed much to the dismay of the peanut gallery, "I'd much rather put up with "kool aid drinkers" than bile garglers." Ewe!  For the record and those who keep up with such things, I will state categorically that the Kool Aide drinkers are a mere subset of the universe of Buellers, Buellers..., of which, there are many other subsets of the whole. I will also state that it appears that your definition of Kool Aide drinkers is far too restrictive, and that it includes my 4 year old grandson, whom (now get this!) we named Blake. My grandson has more to do with Kool Aide drinkers than Jonestown, IMHO...as he actually drinks the stuff, although I suspect that some on here do too. | ||
| Jimidan |
Reg sez: Blake... I AM being silly here. Even worse, I'm getting in the way of possible good information. Would you mind if I started a separate topic where we all could just sit around and trade insults? See how fun this is? About your getting in the way of good info though, I don't really see that happening on this thread anymore. But don't underestimate the value of your posts ('cept that last one  ), as they were chocked full of good information, reality and advice that folks on this board need to hear from someone with your Buell street cred. Now we just need to put some of this wisdom in a little stick applicator and call it Head On, so folks can apply it directly to their forehead. Head On, apply directly to the forehead. Head On, apply directly to the forehead. But how 'bout them Buell 1125Rs! That IS some motorcycle!!! Now I suggest we put this puppy to rest...and that is my final word on it. (Message edited by jimidan on July 27, 2007) | ||
| L_je |
Lap times at Barber... With respect to Barber, this spring's AMA racing saw average speeds of Superstock and Superbikes that differed by only 2-4 mph. That being said, I suspect that any difference between the 1125R and Gixxer lap times may have just come down to suspension set-up peculiarities and the turbulence coming off of butterfly wings. Conversely, I watched the Vesrah Suzuki run circles around every other bike on the track during the WERA endurance race at Barber. The Vesrah Gixxer even ran circles around every other Gixxer there, so maybe it has something to do with rider skill, eh? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Your opinion that I "posited that there were only two groups, you and everyone else drinking Kool Aid" is in error. The facts in the record tell us that it was not I who "posited" this fallacy, but your humble narrator, er moderator, when he proclaimed much to the dismay of the peanut gallery, "I'd much rather put up with "kool aid drinkers" than bile garglers." Your summation of our humble moderators position was in error. By stating that he would rather put up with "kool aide drinkers than bile garglers" indicates quite clearly at least three groups, "Kool Aid Drinkers", "Bile Garglers", and individuals who are part of neither group. For if it were not, why would someone who was in either group have an issue putting up with one's own kind. Were Blake a Kool Aid drinker he would have no problem putting up with his own kind. Conversely, a "Bile Gargler" would have no problem commiserating with fellow "Bile Garglers". In addition, neither group would recognize their attending group as either a "Kool Aid Drinker" or "Bile Gargler" group but rather the correct group. By Blake claiming that he could deal better with the "Kool Aid Drinker" group over the "Bile Gargler" group he is making a value judgment over the level of irritation provided by both groups. While the "Kool Aid Group" might be annoying, they, in Blake's opinion, less annoying than is the "Bile Gargling" group. Blake's observation in no way discounts, though, your erroneous conclusion. By stating that "One thing that you could always count on was that Reg would tell it like it was, even if it was considered politically incorrect by the "Kool Aide" drinkers." This statement indicates that: 1) You feel that Reg belongs to a group that tells things ONLY as they are rather than as they are seen by the "teller" 2) These statements are commonly considered contrary to the beliefs of the second group, the "kool aid drinkers". 3) Since you used the term "kool aid drinkers" you associate with Reg's group and eschew the other group. 4) Disagreements with ANY statement by Reg places the disagreer firmly in the opposing group, the "kool aid drinkers". 5) Any disagreement MUST be based upon its correctness as judged by the body politic. Your statement lacked the qualifier that there might be those who disagree with Reg's statement and yet are not also "kool aid drinkers". Were there those, as qualified by your statement, who disagreed with Reg and yet were not "kool aid drinkers", there would be more than one group as described by you. I disagree with you. You associate yourself with Reg. Reg always tells it like it is. My disagreement is based upon the statement being contrary to the political platform distributed by BMC, Erik, HD, and Bad Web. Therefore, I must be a "kool aid drinker". | ||
| Bigdaddy |
Throwing all that logic out in one spot will kill this thread. FtB, Esq at large | ||
| Metalstorm |
What the hell??? When did the all lawyers invade this place and drive out all the engineers????  Does anyone know the lap times of the Gixxer? Find that out and it might be a valuable clue as to the Buell's time  (Message edited by metalstorm on July 27, 2007) | ||
| Davegess |
I like this thread, now we are arguing about whither or not we are arguing! | ||
| Hughlysses |
I think this link is appropriate: http://www.mindspring.com/~mfpatton/sketch.htm |
