| Author | Message | ||
     Buellerandy |
6 I's in my last post. Didn'tmean to be indignant, sorry everyone!  (Message edited by buellerandy on July 21, 2007) | ||
| Thepup |
Blake,just where have I insulted anyone,I simply asked a pertinent question.I do not believe the 1125 would have faster lap times than the GSXR given equal set up and riding time,could I be wrong,damn right I could be.What I find funny Blake is your lack of integrity when it comes to insults,people that have criticism of Buell or question statements made by Buell supporters can have all the insults thrown at them and its all good,but turn around and insult back,you are labeled a troll or get threatened with banning. Now back to the 1125,regardless of what it can do on the track,it seems that with the torque curve it should be a lot of fun on the street. Once more,where in the thread did I insult anyone? | ||
| Blake |
I have no problem with folks insulting trolls. Period. "I am taking anything reported on Badweb with a grain of salt" Implying that everything reported on BadWeB lacks credibility is an insult to everyone including anonymi who invest their own free time to contribute to BadWeB. "sorry I am not going to take whatever is said on here as gospel." Implying that others view the information shared on BadWeB as though it were some kind of religious doctrine is insulting, expecially to those who respect and cherrish the actual Gospel." "the Buell-aid drinkers, such as yourself" "we have things thrown out at us how a Buell is faster than every other bike, and the Buell faithful eat it up." Not just an insult, but a lie--no one said any such thing here--aimed at portraying Buell enthusiasts here as sycophantic fools. "the Buell faithful eat it up." Implying that folks here abide in a sycophantic religious faith concerning Buell motorcycles and thus are willing to accept wholesale any flattery or positive information concerning Buell motorcycles. Now you are attacking my integrity. If I lacked integrity, I'd be threatened by that insult and ban you. But I don't anbd I'm not. I'm perfectly happy to let everyone read your statements and observe my management of BadWeB and come to their own conclusion on that score. Some may even agree with you. I doubt most will.} | ||
| Thepup |
""I am taking anything reported on Badweb with a grain of salt" Implying that everything reported on BadWeB lacks credibility is an insult to everyone including anonymi who invest their own free time to contribute to BadWeB. " Blake,sorry I have read some pretty outlandish stuff here on Badweb and I take anything I read on the internet with a grain of salt.No,not everything lacks credibility,but there is some really biased info giving by all " "sorry I am not going to take whatever is said on here as gospel." Implying that others view the information shared on BadWeB as though it were some kind of religious doctrine is insulting, expecially to those who respect and cherrish the actual Gospel." " 4. something regarded as true and implicitly believed: to take his report for gospel. 5. a doctrine regarded as of prime importance: political gospel. Blake see above,sorry you took it the wrong way. " "the Buell-aid drinkers, such as yourself" "we have things thrown out at us how a Buell is faster than every other bike, and the Buell faithful eat it up." Not just an insult, but a lie--no one said any such thing here--aimed at portraying Buell enthusiasts here as sycophantic fools. " Blake,some here do take what was said as such.Did I generalize,yes maybe I shouldn't have. ""the Buell faithful eat it up." Implying that folks here abide in a sycophantic religious faith concerning Buell motorcycles and thus are willing to accept wholesale any flattery or positive information concerning Buell motorcycles. " Blake,many do you know it and many others know it. Sorry,I believe you do lack integrity when it comes to certain things,if no personal insults are allowed,you should enforce that rule equally,you do not. | ||
| Court |
Actually the information on Badweb is among the most credible in the industry. Not just Buell, the industry. Call BMW NA in New Jersey and tell the receptionist you have a question about your EFI surging. Buell, though some effective circumvention of HD policy (no one's broken rules, just used them to the collective advantage of Buell owners) has entered new, unexplored territory in getting accurate and useful information to owners and the Buell curious. It's amazing. Just last week I was able to get answers, quickly to badweb and Tribu6800 folks to questions they had about their Buells. One of the Tribu6800 members had question about riding the 1125R, he was hooked up with a test rider and got his answer. Last week when a badwebber asked about the suspension on a Uly, 3 Buell engineers conducted tests on 6 Uly's at the factory and provided a concise answer. Try an experiment. Take ANY motorcycle in the world and see if you can establish a dialogue with the guy who designed and engineered a component. . . .you've got 24 hours to get an answer, ready, set go! It's a new world. You'll soon be seeing better dealer, more transparency within Buell and closer "partnering" with the owner community. Stuff that, even after 20 years, amazes me. It's good stuff. The anonymous posting thing works well. Blake knows the players and you can safely assume that no one is posting bogus stuff anonymously. We have a wonderful thing going here. Celebrate it. And, for all my years, I've simply learned that the normal distribution curve follows me around. . . . ya get a couple thousand people together you're going to have in their number a couple blooming idiots. . . . folks who's middle name is "yeah...but". Let them entertain you, not engage you. Court | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I sincerely hope that in 50 years there will be the same level (or greater) of "misinformation" from anonymous sources regarding Buells that there is today. I still think it's spooky that you can ask a question into the cyberdarkness and actually have an engineer (or the Chairman of the corporation) answer it. I can't imagine that happening with too many other companies. Hell, we even got Mr. Roehrich posting on here. That is some really cool stuff. I was undeservingly harsh towards his creations. His presence and input here has altered my perception of him and his bikes. He is truly a class act. As a result, I take back everything negative I've said towards the Roehr bike. I doubt such a change in position would be possible on other sites. | ||
| Indy_bueller |
Michael Czysz has posted here as well. I hope Buell never looses the ability to stay in touch with the owners of the bikes. It is a competitive edge that should be maintained, no matter what. | ||
| Anonymous |
Poop, you wouldn't know integrity if it hit you in the butt. What a joke for you to insult Blake. You pathetic troll. | ||
| Jimidan |
The Pup: "An annony on another thread inferred that Jezza pulled faster lap times on the 1125r than on the gsxr1000." That may be,but what were the circumstance?There are a lot of things that could have contributed to that and none have any thing to do with the bike. How dare you ask a pertinent question about a $12,000 bike that you may want to purchase! This thread is ridiculous, even for this board. Of course it matters what the details of the comparison were, and those facts should be included to add credibility to the initial assertion. I don't doubt that the new Buell will circle Barber faster than the new Gixxer, but that is not the point. Were both the big GIXXER and the 1125R bone stock? Were they on the same tires? Those are honest questions for any compario, and statements presented as facts by commercial entities trying to sell their products to us should include the necessary information to put their claims in proper perspective. If the claim is valid, they should not mind folks asking for the pertinent info...shucks, it is JUST a question. It doesn't deserve the virtual stoning that you guys gave him. Have the Buell faithful become so jaded and transfixed with all things Buell that they are afraid to ask valid and pertinent questions to those trying to sell us something? Should we all be relegated to Stepford Wives status around here? By some of these comments, it appears that is the mental state of some of the posters on here. What kind of consumer wouldn't want to know pertinent info about a major purchase...a dumb one. | ||
| Anonymous |
Trolls unite!! And yes, after listening to the poop's brainless rants for years, he does deserve stoning. | ||
| Jimidan |
Anony, I am not sure that you have the proper attitude or temperament to do what you are doing on here...I think you are driving away business more than attracting it. Is that really the Buell business model to quickly insult potential customers for asking valid and pertinent questions, or are you just winging it? Does the boss know what you are doing here? Maybe I should copy some of your comments and send them in a formal letter to Mr. Buell...and see if he agrees with your tact. I cannot imagine Mr. Buell approving of your rude and offensive manner. | ||
| M1combat |
"Have the Buell faithful become so jaded and transfixed with all things Buell" You're missing the point. We're jaded when it comes to those who consistently troll. I wouldn't mind knowing the answer myself to be honest. When someone has a specific personality on this website people will get fed up with certain types of questions coming from THOSE people. The type of questions that can be read as "Oh yeah... Prove it..." Sure, no one should give false information... But it gets really tiresome when the same people say "Oh Yeah... Prove it..." over and over again. | ||
| Thepup |
Jimi,you're right the outright gall I have to ask a "pertinent " question. "Poop, you wouldn't know integrity if it hit you in the butt. What a joke for you to insult Blake. You pathetic troll." What are you 5 years old,shouldn't you be in bed.I know there are more than a few people (former sponsors included) that question Blake's integrity.I can't speak on Blake's integrity outside of this board(he may very well be a great guy),but when it comes to this board he lacks integrity. "Trolls unite!! And yes, after listening to the poop's brainless rants for years, he does deserve stoning." What's wrong Anony,truth hurt sometimes? | ||
| M2nc |
Good post Court! I have always said that the Buell community is one of the joys of owning a Buell. Who would have thought that a XBRR can routinely beat a 1098S, 999R and 998R. If I would have post that here without all the press to bag it up, the pups of the world would have shot that down too. But in France two XBRR dominate the Ducatis winning every single race this year. So Jezza felt more comfortable on the 1125R and so turned a faster time. 15 Moto Journalist just published findings saying the same thing. The big Gixxer is the RWHP king of the 13 bikes tested, but had the second worst average lap times of all the Super Bikes, barely beating a bike with 45rwhp less (The Aprillia with a smaller less powerful Rotax than the 1125R. Why? The big Gixxer was not easy to handle. The 750 Gixxer beat its bigger brother last year and almost repeated it again this year. I do not see how the 1125R with comparable dimension and peak HP as the 750 Gixxer, but with a much broader power band could not duplicate what has been proven many times before. If you do not like Buells, you will always shoot them down. Time with tell how the 1125R will do against the Super Bikes of the world, but I am glad that Buell now has one! Bravo Buell! | ||
| Jimidan |
I have no idea who pup is and do not remember any posts he has ever had. but based on the questions he asked on this thread, he certainly did not deserve the thrashing he got from Fat Bastard, Blake and ESPECIALLY Anony. The folks who are being called names (including myself) on here are Buell OWNERS, and potential CUSTOMERS of the new bike. It is just bad business for so-called company reps to go on-line and berate, insult and deride those Buell owners for asking pertinent questions about a new model. I will pose the question to Erik Buell about this very soon and see what he thinks about it. I will keep you informed. | ||
| Thepup |
M2nc,the XBRR is a $30,000 purpose built race bike against most likely showroom bikes being modded and raced by privateers,how is that relevant to the conversation about the 1125 and the GSXR.I can play that game too M2nc,the XBRR in two years of racing in AMA FX has finished in the top ten twice against 600cc IL4 bikes,no relevance but hey if you can do it I can do it. | ||
| Jimidan |
When someone has a specific personality on this website people will get fed up with certain types of questions coming from THOSE people. The type of questions that can be read as "Oh yeah... Prove it..." Sure, no one should give false information... But it gets really tiresome when the same people say "Oh Yeah... Prove it..." over and over again. After searching, I did not see that quote you used anywhere in this thread or others...can you please reference it, or did you just make it up? It certainly is not what Pup said, or in my estimation even inferred. It sounds like a purposeful misrepresentation on your part, Mr. Combat. Might I suggest that we not try and put words in other's posts. There are plenty of folks on here that are doing just that. Lets stick to what is being said and the facts. | ||
| M1combat |
It was a figure of speech. I think you know that. If you don't think that some statements "can be read as" "Oh yeah... Prove it..." then keep going about your life that way. I could care less. Many times there are more to people's words than the specific words that they use. "The letter and the intent" as it were . Like I said... I'm all for correct information and even backing up what you say. It just gets lame when it's about nearly everything and from the same person. That's all. To Puppy - "the XBRR is a $30,000 purpose built race bike against most likely showroom bikes being modded and raced by privateers" See... Maybe go do some research on exactly what the French Pro Twins series is. Then come back and tell me WTF is up eh? Maybe even ask some of the Duck riders how much money they have in their bikes? Until you do you don't know shit. I know, I know... "He started it blah •••••• blah blah blah..." Read this punk... http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/158 664/270134.html?1175970709 Six or seven perfectly good posts congratulating a race team for their efforts and then puppy spewing his crap all over the living room floor... As if anyone in that thread gave a flying screw whether "Lonnie" was impressed or not. First of all... Just finishing a race is a feat. "You must first finish to finish first". After that... anyone you pass deserves a congrats. To win against that competition is no small feat no matter what your little pea brain can twist it up to meaning Puppy. "last year, or maybe it was 2005, the Ducati 999 achieved the best lap time of all literbikes at Masterbike;" Finishing ahead of a 999 (nay... DOMINATING a number of 999s) is no small feat no matter how much money you spent on your bike Puppy. Doing it on an air cooled twin ... Well that's just class. Get a clue. Sorry... I called people names again... My bad. (Message edited by M1Combat on July 22, 2007) (Message edited by M1Combat on July 22, 2007) | ||
| Thepup |
M1, never mind,you aren't worth the effort,you are a complete joke. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I believe that we ALL want the lap times. Even if the 1125R didn't beat the GSXR, just to be closer than what a lap time on a 12R might be is an improvement and a great product evolution. The inference is that the only way that Buell could possibly get a better lap time on the 1125R is to stack the deck against the GSXR and then cover it up. If that were not the underlying belief, the question would simply be "what are the lap times". You would simply assume that the runs were done given similar conditions to get a true lap time. Clouded beliefs result in clouded preconceptions and expectations of outcomes. Blind Buell fans can have just as clouded a belief system as Buell doubters. If you believe that everything Buell says is a lie and that they would purposefully supply bogus information and stack tests in order to provide a slanted and unrealistic result for some nefarious end game, you would ask about the conditions of the lap runs and expect them to be rigged. If you believe that the tests were done in order to get an accurate result and that the conditions were monitored, you would simply ask for the lap times. If you were a complete Buell sheep who believe everything, you wouldn't care about the lap times. You would just assume that a Buell can beat anything with two wheels. I don't believe a single post here represents the latter viewpoint. I believe the other two are well represented. You be the judge as to which camp you most resemble. | ||
| M1combat |
Feeling a little better about starting the thread by asking about the laptimes . I guess I just feel that if the 1125R hadn't actually been faster than the GSXR (on that track on that day with those tires with that for breakfast with a tailwind or whatever...) then the Anony wouldn't have even mentioned the GSXR. Anony would have just said "It made a faster laptime than [some other bike]" and the GSXR would never have been in the discussion. That said ... we would all be having exactly the same discussion whatever bike it WAS... So anyway... Hooray for faster lap times . | ||
| Blake |
"It is just bad business for so-called company reps to go on-line and berate, insult and deride those Buell owners for asking pertinent questions about a new model." It might be if it ever happened. It has not. I've always been taught that without compelling justification, it is extremely rude and insulting to publicly express doubt about the integrity of someone's word. That's exactly what Lonnie did. If you cannot see it, you need to read it again until you do. When someone spends their time on BadWeB looking to arrogantly belittle, insult and naysay anything positive about Buell motorcycles or the folks who design and build them, especially with such bewildering ignorance, your extremely blind-eyed characterization of the situation does not apply, it has absolutely no merit. A contributors history here will always be considered in such matters. I am perfectly fine with overlooking the occasional barb from a BadWeBr who's vast majority of contributions here are helpful, thoughtful and informative, especially if that contributor's sharp comment is aimed towards a notorious troll who has just insulted him/her. I refuse to argue about it anymore. It seems like a complete waste of time to me, on account of my stance is firm on the issue and has been since we were compelled to commence actively maintaining the integrity of the board. So let's save us both some precious personal time and let it drop now and forever and get back to the fun stuff. How about... Less drama, more moto. Less I, I, I, me, me, me, you, you, you. Less bloviation, more pithy. Less righteous indignation, more humility. | ||
| Mndwgz |
More mirth! I'm going riding. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I got an all day "porch pass". I'm going riding, and I ain't comin' home till it's dark or I see my 51st deer! | ||
| Neb25 |
Talked to a guy that was at the test and I can not confirm this myself but he told me he was lapping faster on the 1125R. His simple answer was because of the great handling and smooth power delivery(torque curve) and that it was just very easy to ride fast. And from what he said it was not from a lack of trying on the GSXR. I guess he was whaling on the GSXR spinning it up and getting sideways and pushing both bikes as hard as he could. Buell probably doesn't want to comment on it because it was not an official shootout test and everyone would have just commented on how their was not fair because they were conducting it. The cycle mags will be doing that soon so just wait to see what they have to say. As Chadhargis said in a earlier post things might have been different at Road America or Daytona where the 1000s were lapping more than 10sec faster than the XBRRs but those are tracks that reward hp and top speed and there is no denying that the GSXR is king of that but there is only a few tracks like that in the country. Which makes Barber a better track for a comparison test. | ||
| Jimidan |
Geez, it was like someone exposed the plot to the latest Harry Potter Book or something... The best part of it is "If you cannot see it, you need to read it again until you do." That is special. Here is the pup quote again...I am re-reading it over and over and over... "That may be,but what were the circumstance?There are a lot of things that could have contributed to that and none have any thing to do with the bike." I am still not getting it. Maybe I am not holding my mouth right when I read it. Or maybe you are reading your own biases against this guy into what was actually posted. Shucks Blake, you asked about what tires and what suspension were used. What is the real difference? What are obvious contradictions to me, are two sides of the same story to you guys. And that is my final word on this matter. jimi (Message edited by jimidan on July 22, 2007) | ||
| Jwhite601 |
Jimi, go back and read thepups last 50 posts then you will see the context from which the question was asked. You obviously do not know thepup. | ||
| Regkittrelle |
"Trolls unite!! And yes, after listening to the poop's brainless rants for years, he does deserve stoning." That is absolutely an unconscionable statement by an alleged responsible employee of Buell. This thread has offered up some interesting, valuable information, but it's being done in a way that is manipulative and, in this case, cowardly. What "Poop" may or may not have written is irrelevant. Either way, anon. does not have the right to resort to name-calling when hiding behind a curtain. Long term this does far more harm to anon., than anyone else. Think about it; who's the author... Eric? Steve? Tony? Makes no difference as all will be assumed the author. If I was one of those (or any other Buell poster) I'd be mightily pissed because I just got painted with a very broad brush. Those of you who support anonymous postings just got a taste of its other side. Is the information you get so valuable that you assign a different set of ethics to Buell Motorcycle Company. On a personal note, were I "poop" I'd tell BMC to stick it where the sun don't shine. | ||
| Jeffnights |
Right On. I am just a lurker I guess, I post here and there. My impression upon reading this thread is not a favorable one of BMC, at least of whoever these "Annoy"'s might be. I am under the understanding they are Buell people posting annoymously to protect thier indenity for some reason. anywho, seeing them or him, or she blast the question asked in this thread certainly was startling. I dont know "thepup" from a ham sandwich, but even if he has been a bur in the side, isnt this the section to ask question like that regarding lap times? For the question itself, I too, believe this information is relevant, just one thing different on a bike can greatly change its characteristics as i'm sure many people would agree. So, I suppose anybody could call me a Troll or whatever, but bluntly, the annoy comments in this thread give a black eye to BMC. later. | ||
| Hepburnhoney |
Well I am brand new here and have been going through the different threads trying to get a feel for the people in here. After this thread which is only my 3rd yet read I am done for the day. A couple of comments from someone new if I may...There are obviously a lot of passionate riders and enthusiasts among you and without your differences you may not be so passionate who knows. Here's what I do know I rode Suzuki in the past, then I sat on my xb12r and had an overwhelming feeling of being at home at peace if I may took her for a ride and cornered like I had never cornered before. I don't know a lot about horsepower, lap time or where the GSXR's have compared to the XBRR's in the past. I understand this thread is about laptime and maybe this should be posted elsewhere but oh well and sorry if need be. Long story longer-I had the fabulous opportunity to sit on the 1125 and once again I had that insane overwhelming feeling of being at home and not wanting to be anywhere else although there were hundred of people swarming the bike I was alone and the passion of the ride swelled within me. This bike has and will take Buell to places we've never been. I for one happily embrace the 1125 to the Buell family and would like to thank them for their hard work... |
