| Author | Message | ||
     Curtyd |
I bet they're shaking their heads in disbelief up there in the "cheese" state. All this engineering, design and outsourcing for the new motor everyone has been clamoring for and all the negative feedback is because of the unorthodox plastic pods AND not abandoning truly another one of the great street characteristics of the Buells, BELT DRIVE. No muss, no fuss, no chain lube up the back of every jacket, pants and shirt I ride in and bags I carry, plus chain adjustments. I am no engineer, but if I was, I would not believe all this uproar about the plastic on the outside of just what we have seen so far has the potential to be one superbly engineered motorcycle. Radiater PODS, wow, some big deal over NOTHING, I think | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I personally LOVE the belt drive, as does all my chain cleaning, chain lubing, chain adjusting rice rocket friends. Glad Buell stayed with it for sure. Also, I am not passing judgement on the pods until I see them in person. I for one am glad that this bike will NOT be mistaken for a ricer. That is why I bought a Buell in the first place! | ||
| Macbuell |
Here's another way to look at it. I can't believe Buell put all that time and energy to produce an incredible engineering marvel but then presented it in an ugly package. Ducati manages to make very well engineered bikes that are also gorgeous. We're all entitled to our opinion. | ||
| Curtyd |
DUCs, AIN't that a practical ride for everyday commuting and sporttouring? Never tried one on that I thought I'd want to spend more than a half hour or so actually riding. Plus, how many years with the dry clutch? Guys used to have to carry carb cleaner to flush out the sand from the plates, if they ever had the misfortune to ride through some sandy area, like the Tomoka Campground in Ormond Beach. DUCATI, good thing they're "pretty", not very practical in my real world riding. When did you last cross the country or a continent with one? I am not talking about Belgium or some other place that is 100 miles or so from border to border. OH, and isn't that front fairing of the Multistrada "purty" too?!?!  (Message edited by CurtyD on July 13, 2007) | ||
| Macbuell |
Ducati has a different mission and objective than Buell did with building this bike. You can't tell me that Ducati's aren't well engineered bikes and they are absolutely gorgeous. They are basically just street legal race bikes where Buell built a street bike that may someday race. Different stated objectives in designing the bike. I love the engineering in the 1125R, I just don't like the looks. That doesn't make my opinion any less valid and any less right than yours. | ||
| Ridrx |
Efficiency and effectiveness are often not pretty. I'm glad to see Buell chose to heighten the experience rather than build garage art. The world has enough "pretty bikes". I'm happy someone is building "working bikes" for the folks who want Duc performance without paying some artist to gussy it all up so your neighbors are jealous. IMHO the 1125R IS beautiful in it's down to business guise. I was rather relieved to see it wasn't a knock off(looks) of the "popular style" with full fairings and all that. I'd personally STILL like to see more mechanical bits(Translucid radiator scoops)visible for leisurely gazing. On a side note...I'd love to see an optional rad. scoop w/ a built in "frame puck". | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Ridrx has said it very well in the above post. My thoughts exactly. | ||
| Luxor |
RidrX beat me to it. I built and raced many things, two and four wheeled over the years and the one thing that has always stood out is that "True form FOLLOWS Function". So, to me at least the 1125R is a very beautiful machine, scoops and all, simply because it is being true to the function it was designed for. Question: Do you want a girlfriend thats pretty to look at but a high maint. pain in the butt and not good in the sack? Or do you want a girl that is average, low maint. and makes you walk funny? I choose the latter, just like the 1125R. Gotta remember guys function and style are NOT the same thing. (Message edited by luxor on July 13, 2007) | ||
| Thepup |
I don't understand why people seem to think there is something wrong with wanting a good looking bike.Are you telling me that there was no way to make the radiator scoops work and be attractive,I and alot of people agree,that they made a great bike and then threw the tupperware bowls on there to really ugly up an otherwise nice bike. | ||
| Ducxl |
All of that PLASTIC will be a boon for the Carbon Fiber industry.But i think the bike is perfect as is.Will be interesting to see what "Bling-Bling" becomes available for the 1125r | ||
| Buellshyter |
This shyt is getting old. On and on and on about the looks of the bike from both sides of the fence. This is going to be one of those bikes that some people hate and some love. At this point, it's too late to change the appearance. The design is set. Like I said before, the marketplace will decide. | ||
| Blasterd |
I LOVE IT! The aftermarket industry will have a field day with this bike. I can see one in my future. Ken | ||
| M1combat |
I think you should reserve judgement until you've seen the bike pup... I'm just sayin . | ||
| Bigdaddy |
Some of those complainers (look at their overall input on various subjects) just like to go on, and on, and on, and freaking on. Finding fault, assigning blame, sharing their intellect with all who'll read. A nice addition to the Buell barn indeed -- I'll have one. | ||
| Blazinc5 |
I too will hold my judgement till I see the bike in person before I bash on the pods, The look a lil off in the pics but them are also just pics. When I first seen the TT's pics I wondered to myself ,,, Why. Then I seen the bike in person and well, I still wondered WHY? So far the 1125 is lookin real sexy to me from the frontal veiw. | ||
| Curtyd |
One issue is who is an actual "buyer" and who is just a "talker", I'll hazard the guess that the "haters" aren't buyers anyhow, they just like to sound out a good reason for something they never were going to do anytime soon. Like the guy waiting for a bike some motor co. somewhere has said they are going to build someday. You really think he buys new motorcycles every two to three years? 'Pulling the trigger' on a 12K bike purchase just isn't in a lot of folks. Probably doesn't help in many family situations and doesn't put a roof over the kids heads. If I do it will be my most expensive one to date, but then I have been getting one bike or another every few years since 1982. It was easier to do when the Suzuki 1100R was $2999 and the RZ350 was $2499, even though I only made $250 a week. But that's inflation. ANYWHOO, "opinions are like.....", YOU know the rest. Actually Buell surely anticipated the POD talk, kudos to them for going with it and the 'Batwing" fairing anyhow. When they raced I always liked I could spot the XBRR in a crowded field, looks like it will be the same with this one, heh? The haters probably think they somehow might effect a design decision with griping that as one poster has said so well, "At this point, it's too late to change the appearance. The design is set." So knowing that the only possible result is to sway some 'polesitter' to look elsewhere, there is not much of being a Buell supporter and fan in any of that. I've had two Buells so far, I hope this can be my third. MERRY XMAS. (or Octoberfest/Halloween!!! ) (Message edited by CurtyD on July 13, 2007) | ||
| Maximum |
I was 5 feet from the 1125R as it was unveiled at Road America last Sunday. Let me say that this bike looks awesome in person! I'm already building some good justifications for buying one. 1. My Uly wants some company. 2. I need another bike for when the other bike has scheduled maintenance. 3. I'm going to want to get a track day bike anyway. 4. As an American, it is my duty to help the economy. 5. What if that meteor slams into the earth, I will need a faster way to get to high ground. Anyone else have some good justifications? | ||
| Diablobrian |
I agree the bike does not look quite right in the still photos. It isn't until a rider is added that the beauty of the design is revealed! The bike really was built "from the rider down". I'm wondering if it would be possible to retrofit the 1125r fairing to my firebolt.  | ||
| Brinnutz |
I too was five feet from it at Road America. I will say this, if you haven't seen it in person, then force yourself not to comment on it. By the way, who said it's a fashion show out there? Nuff said. Maximum, I guess my reasoning is: My tube frame just got more "Old School" so I need to preserve it and find something to ride while that collects dust and interest, LOL.... | ||
| Jayvee |
How many of you "functional" guys really LIKED the X1's (or any other model's) 'breadbox' air cleaner? They worked pretty well, according to Buell. Still ugly as sin, or sinfully ugly, whichever. I don't like the looks of this thing yet. If I really just want "function", isn't that that same as just wanting "performance"? That logic puts me back to buying a UJM 600cc four, based on performance, instead of my M2. No way! | ||
| Dutchboy |
All this engineering, design and outsourcing for the new motor everyone has been clamoring for and all the negative feedback is because of the unorthodox plastic pods AND not abandoning truly another one of the great street characteristics of the Buells, BELT DRIVE. No muss, no fuss, no chain lube up the back of every jacket, pants and shirt I ride in and bags I carry, plus chain adjustments. +1 I'm perfectly happy with my XB9SX, but if I were in the market for a sport bike the 1125R would lead the list of contenders. I'm no fan of doing or paying for valve adjustments, but at least the 1125R appears to have been engineered to make them simpler than the shim-and-bucket designs out there. Most importantly, having cleaned/lubed chains a bazilion times I'd be happy never, ever, to maintain a chain again. The 1125R has belt drive. Yes! I will admit I'm not sure about the pods myself, but I'm reserving judgment until I see one in person. Besides, I'm really not in the market for a sport bike. Now if Buell comes out with a sport-touring version of this bike in a year or two I will probably be in trouble... | ||
| Luxor |
Jayvee wrote "I don't like the looks of this thing yet. If I really just want "function", isn't that that same as just wanting "performance"? That logic puts me back to buying a UJM 600cc four, based on performance, instead of my M2. No way!" I think you missed my point a little. A 600cc I4 is fast, but also high maint. And the performance does not justify the maint. to me. My point is that Buell built a best of both bike with function and ease of maint. on top of the list. And yes the breadbox was/is ugly but functional, so it's gotta stay. And YES, the 1125R will fill the empty space in my stable between my 9s and 12s. (Message edited by luxor on July 13, 2007) | ||
| Buellishxx |
Now here's some ugly "pods". They even have a fan in there, so a little slide is going to be a big issue  | ||
| Daveyboy |
Does anybody remember when the ducati 999 was first introduced? Nobody seemed to like its looks. Too radical, too much of a change from the 998. The magazine articles said " Wait till you see it in person." I think this will be the same. I am going to be at the unveiling at Laguna Seca on the 20th. I hope to see many of you there. | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
i dont see this uglyness. I think buell did a wonderfull job of hiding an ugly object behind some stylish looking plasic. To me i think it make it look like a jet so to make it look fast. | ||
| Thepup |
Luxor,a 600 is high maintenance?Where do you get this info? | ||
| Thepup |
M1,I've seen the pictures,the tupperware bowls are ugly,thats my opinion and many others opinion.The rest of the bike looks great,just can't get past the bowls. | ||
| Eboos |
I must have been the only one that liked the look of the 999 over the 996. Mostly in the tail section anyway. I really like the style of the 1098 since it blends the good parts of both. Style wise, I did hope the 1125R would have gone more in that direction, but I like the fact that it still looks like a Buell. I will be getting one. | ||
| Luxor |
Thepup wrote" Luxor,a 600 is high maintenance?Where do you get this info?" Well, Owning over 20 I4 metrics, all Brands, in the last 15 years might be your answer. I do all my own maint. and can tell you straight up that both my 9S and 12S combined are less hassle then one metric I4. Also, I am well aware of your rep on Badweb and will not be dragged into any negative discussions about any bike. they all have their strong points. I have owned or ridden pretty much everything, so I fully understand of which I speak. My air cooled Buell XBs have been outstanding in reliability and maint. cost so far. So, I can bet that the 1125R will be as good or better in the same categories. Oh and back on topic. Looking at the 1125R from the nose gives the bike a whole different look, wide but sleek. | ||
| Diablobrian |
Annonys: WIll the 1125r fairing be a reasonably simple bolt on for a current XB? I know that there would be work to be done mounting electronics etc, but I'm talking about the attachment points at the head tube etc. |
