| Author | Message | ||
     Chessm |
thats my big question? somebody ask the man himself if theres any plan to enter it!! | ||
| Court |
 Buell? .. go racing? Whatever may have made you think that? | ||
| Walt221 |
After a conversation with the tech guy over at the AMA, they are planning to up the Superbike limit in 2008 to 1200cc (for v-twins) like World Superbike. Maybe we'll see one there. | ||
| Jaimec |
They'll have to build about 1,000 homologation specials in order to qualify for World Superbike with a 1200cc engine. Where do I sign up for one of THOSE? 1200RR, anyone? | ||
| Trojan |
In it's current form it wouldn't be easy to get into Superbikes with the 1125R, especially as the limit for twins will be 1200cc from 2008. As Jaimec says it would need a homologation special run of around 1000 ot to be eligible and competitive in WSB. For that it would need chain drive, 1199cc, full fairing etc. Would be nice to see wouldn't it? | ||
| Blake |
Good grief, are you telling me with all the other mods that are allowed, the AMA won't allow a swap from belt to chain? That seems ridiculous. If they're going to be that strict they ought to mandate the entire bikes be stock, suspension and all. Piston speed for the 1125R with it's 2.658" stroke at 10,500 RPM rev limit is... Piston Speed = (2*2.658)IN/Rev / 12 IN/FT * 10,500 Rev/Min Piston Speed = 4,651.1 FT/Min (FPM) If I recall correctly, Ducati Corse runs their Superbike engines into the 5,500 FPM realm for WSBK and such. That would put the 1125R rev limit up around 12,400 RPM. Fun stuff. Did anyone see the note in Buell's press release about the valvetrain sharing F1 characteristics? | ||
| Jaimec |
Yup, though they're not the first to use that valve train in a motorcycle engine. BMW introduced that in their K1200S model a couple of years ago. It was one of the things that fueled the rumors of BMW entering MotoGP. Why would you produce a valvetrain that would support revving up to 20K rpm unless you planned on going racing? Guess the same question would apply to Mr. Buell too, no?  | ||
| Chessm |
my understanding about the new displacement rules are that they are allowed to run a vtwin over 850cc up to 1200cc but they arent required to be 1200cc. i could be wrong though. but ya, the question about having the chain is good though. i really do wonder if they would allow a swap to chains and still be considered for homologation. | ||
| Ebear |
1125ccs qualify.....Keep watchin'.....!!!! | ||
| Blake |
Why would you produce a valvetrain that would support revving up to 20K rpm unless you planned on going racing? Probably very astute and valid. There are other reasons though.
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| Neb25 |
From another post. How in the hell can a "superbike" not have a full fairing? Is it a street fighter or a superbike? Hopefully the swingarm looks better in person as well. Also why not just use a real slipper clutch instead of a clutch that has "slipper action"? 146hp equal about 125 rear wheel hp, which is about the same as a GSXR750 hardly in World Super Bike territory. I would love to see the hp and torque curves. I guess I was expecting performance on the level with the 1098 since that will be the kind of bike it will be classed with in CCS and other racing organizations. Hoping for something competitive right out of the box like the other manufacturers. Instead it looks like you will have to spend plenty just to get close. A lap counter with a half fairing, belt drive and prewired heated grips....that is some funny sh*@ right there. Bummer. | ||
| Chessm |
"146hp equal about 125 rear wheel hp, which is about the same as a GSXR750 hardly in World Super Bike territory. I would love to see the hp and torque curves. " im guessing that one reason for the lower over all HP number is that the bike is tuned more for a broader and flatter spread of power. in interviews, erik buell is always bringing up his bikes ability to use real power in the real world, the street. im sure the power can be tuned for more top end like a race bike and while it will still not be on par with an inline 4 cc per cc, im sure itll be closer than what we're seeing in an 1125r in stock street trim. "A lap counter with a half fairing, belt drive and prewired heated grips....that is some funny sh*@ right there. " as much as id like to see a buell in WSB, im never gonna ride one in that venue so id gladly give up the chance of seeing it compete there to have some real world, creature comforts on the bike. | ||
| Barker |
If they got 150rwhp out of the XB9 with the XBRR, I wonder what can be done with the 1125R, or should I say 1125RR. GO BUELL RACING! | ||
| Blake |
"though they're not the first to use that valve train in a motorcycle engine." While you are at it, please also be sure to note all the other aspects of the motorcycle that Buell was not the first to use. Let's belittle the Buell in every way possible on everything possible. I even heard that Buell didn't invent the motorcycle. Who knew? Fred says: Buell's new 1125R has a 5.6 gallon fuel tank. Jaimec come to the rescue: Buell wasn't the first to offer a 5.6 gallon fuel capacity. Hank adds: The mirrors on the Buell also hold the turn signals. Jaimec saves the day by noting that: Buell wasn't the first to put the turn signals in the mirros. Ed notes that: The belt final drive on the new Buell superbike will sure be nice. Jaimec prevents another disaster: Buell wasn't the first to use belt drive on a motorcycle. Sam says: That new 1125R is water-cooled and had the convectors mounted off to the side to allow the engine to be more forward mounted. Jaimec averts a catastrophy: Buell wasn't the first to mount the heat exchangers to the side. Just funnin' wit ya dude. ;) | ||
| Thespive |
Blake you weren't the first one to have fun with another member on BadWeb!  --Sean | ||
| Asym50 |
Buell is on a roll; the fact the 1125R is here should show BMC (Erik Buell) is not to be underestimated. | ||
| Jaimec |
Blake: Switch to decaf, Dude... | ||
| Cgocifer |
Ducati will be upping the CCs on the 1098 to 1200 next year. Think Ducati 1199. | ||
| Firemanjim |
Dyno chart is on the Buell.com site.Torque curve is sweet,70+ ft lbs from 4500 all the way to 10500. | ||
| Court |
The most interesting, and noticeable, feature of the torque curve is the lack of a dip in the middle. This makes the bike "feel" slower than the 1098 in that the 1125R never goes through a "re-acceleraton" coming out of the hole in it's torque curve. The bike pulls like a freight train from the moment the throttle moves until you hit warp drive. More will be revealed as head to head tests begin to bombard us. . . | ||
| Vagelis46 |
I am sure a monster 1125cc V2 with over 12:1 compression ratio, F1 technology, 146Hp AND 170kg dry weight is A VERY FAST BIKE, almost TOO FAST. And I mean EVERYBODY on the road and track. Unless you think you are Vale or Stoner..... | ||
| Mikej |
I find it amusing that 1125cc is now a monster size. I think I'll ride my 1203cc in to work tomorrow, has about the same HP/Torque at 5500rpm. ;) <== (note the winkicon) | ||
| Kowpow225 |
Aww Mike, It's not everyone. Buell has nailed it. The gloves came off and I couldn't be happier. Can't sit still. Where do I sign, Mr Buell?  | ||
| Benm2 |
I'd bet my paycheck that a souped up 1125R has already lapped more than one US circuit. | ||
| Vagelis46 |
'I find it amusing that 1125cc is now a monster size. I think I'll ride my 1203cc in to work tomorrow, has about the same HP/Torque at 5500rpm. ;) <== (note the winkicon)' The term 'MONSTER' goes to the performance we all expect from the the new 1125cc motor, and NOT its size. HD engines are BIG but their performance is SMALL. I bet you it is far easier to fully open the throttle in 2nd gear in the 1203cc XB than in the new 1125cc ....... That is why I call it a monster...... I think you would agree with me if you had ever tried to fully open the throttle on 2nd gear in either of the 1000cc KTM Superduke or the Aprilia Tuono, and then compare the feeling to the XB12R...... Just think that the new Buell 1125R has extra 125cc to these superfast bikes. So why not call this a monster?? It is the biggest, high performance, modern V2 mounted on a top superbike. We should all be very proud of our new 'MONSTER' !!! As for those people trying to compare the 1125R to the Jap IL4s......I think the Jap bikes have no chance this time.....Our new 'MONSTER' will eat them alive ! We just have to wait and see..... | ||
| Benm2 |
Don't alot of water cooled bikes offer a larger radiator for racing duty? Just remembering the Jeremy Toye articles about the R1 in Roadracing world and the need to add a larger radiator, and remembering the RC51 kit radiators, etc. The front wheel is AWFULLY close to the engine, I guess that's why it's got two radiators already? I wonder where the race radiator sits? Will there be rollout of the WSB bike at Laguna? | ||
| Chessm |
The front wheel is AWFULLY close to the engine well what do you expect...its not a chopper! LOL | ||
| Rhun |
I was wondering why 1125 since it didn't fit well into common race sizes. And Eric Buell seems to think in class sizes. I think CCS only super twins and GTO. I wasn't aware of World superbike rules as I don't follow that much. I didn't know AMA was changing and thought 1000cc was it no mater (per current year rule book). I wonder if the rules in Thunderbike and formula 40 are changing? I'm thinking hard about CCS formula 40 for next year and was wanting to retire my 04 12R. | ||
| Mikej |
Vagelis, I'm actually right there with you in your thinking, I'm just sitting over on the sidelines waiting for the production models to hit and then maybe get in a test ride on one with over 2,000 miles on the odometer. I'm thinking that with you being in Greece you might actually be getting a chance at a test ride before I do for some reason. November is a long ways away, and it just got longer. And test rides here in Wisconsin can be dependant upon the weather so it could easily be March or later before the local shops are comfortable with lending what will surely be in short supply out for test rides. I think I'll hop over to the Gixxer boards and see what they're talking about. | ||
| Djkaplan |
"I'd bet my paycheck that a souped up 1125R has already lapped more than one US circuit." I'd bet your paycheck (I'm not a gambling man) that before the work even got started, competitive racing was the first constraint the design team placed on the new platform. |
