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Jaimec
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2016 - 11:24 am: | 
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Having sat on black motorcycles in July and August there is no way in HELL I'd own an all-black bike. They also get filthy more quickly than even white motorcycles.
Make this thing available in other colors and I may be more interested. In fact, I don't need the suspension lowering... just put those pegs and bars on a STANDARD 1190SX at no extra cost... |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2016 - 11:45 am: |
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Not my type of bike but it is a beauty. |
Sparky
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2016 - 02:12 pm: |
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Re black bikes, Erik, in a tech seminar recently, explained that women in India who ride scooters don't like to sit on black seats or grab black handlebar grips. That's why the EBR engineers put a light gray seat and hand grips on their prototype Hero hybrid scooter! |
Snacktoast
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2016 - 06:44 pm: |
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... just put those pegs and bars on a STANDARD 1190SX at no extra cost...
Is it not the best bang for your buck power-wise twin available on the market today? Anything else you want for "free"?
Just curious why you haven't bought an SX already? If you're letting a set of bars and pegs stop you... |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2016 - 10:36 pm: |
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quote:Just curious why you haven't bought an SX already? If you're letting a set of bars and pegs stop you...
1) No conveniently located dealership (I am unable to perform my own work).
2) Don't want to spend so much for a stock bike and that much more to make it acceptable. If it doesn't work right out of the box, I don't want it.
3) Already been burned once by owning a Buell only to end up with no convenient place to get it serviced. |
Johndd
| | Posted on Thursday, November 24, 2016 - 05:00 pm: |
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"No conveniently located dealership (I am unable to perform my own work)."
I think the repair end of the business is what they ought to building out. I don't mind buying something out of state if warranty work is in state. Also, a local repair shop is a potential future dealer. |
Mog
| | Posted on Friday, November 25, 2016 - 09:16 pm: |
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Johndd GREAT!!!!
BINGO!!!
You nailed it
Buy on the I net, service, certified, and at a local shop.
Dealer in training or Associate Dealer
C'mon Erik.... see the light. |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2016 - 08:49 am: |
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It's not even a precedent. Ural has "Servicing-only" dealerships that outnumber their sales dealerships. The closest selling dealership to me is in New Rochelle, but there is an authorized service center in Brooklyn. |
Fuzzz
| | Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2016 - 10:58 am: |
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I know a shop that would be interested in service work. |
Hybridmomentspass
| | Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2016 - 04:39 pm: |
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"Anything else you want for "free"? "
Maybe we're just reading it differently, but they have to put pegs and bars on a bike anyway, why not give those options from the factory?
Its not like he's getting something 'for free,' but ordering it how he wants it.
I highly doubt there is any/much price difference in the different components |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2016 - 06:28 pm: |
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Thank you. Normally, you buy the bike the way it comes and you pay extra on delivery for them to switch out the bars and pegs. This leaves you with a set of pegs and bars you didn't want in the first place and it's up to you to see if anyone wants them on eBay (not to mention the labor charge which in my area is around $125.00 an hour).
I don't want them for FREE. I don't want to have to pay for something I don't want. Understand the difference?
It's like not buying a bike because it doesn't come in the color I want. I've been told "just get it painted the color you want." Sure, if you can point me to a painter who'll do it for FREE, otherwise I don't want to pay for a color I don't want.
Motorcycles aren't something anybody NEEDS. I can wait till they make what I WANT, or I just don't buy it. Either way, I either get what I want, or I have several thousand dollars in my pocket I can put to another use. Win-win. |
Ratbuell
| | Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2016 - 03:30 am: |
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The issue with option-heavy production is...it ceases to be "production line" and turns into "custom build".
Guys (and gals) on the line are at a station.
They take a part out of a box.
Put it on the bike.
Torque the fasteners.
The bike moves to the next station, quickly.
The next bike hits their station.
They repeat the process.
I'm not sure if they're still using ELVIS, but if they are...if their station gets a half second behind, more than a couple times, things stop. Managers check to see "do these delays coincide with a new box of bolts? Different air pressure to the tool?" - and they make adjustments.
Now...throw a DIFFERENT PART into the mix. How do you think that will affect production? Instead of "grab THE bar off THE cart", they have to grab A bar...off of A cart...that matches whatever is on the spec sheet for THAT motorcycle.
Different situation than "it's Monday, we're building RX's; tomorrow's Tuesday so we pre-set all the stations for SX production".
Too many variables (a.k.a. options) slow the production line quite a bit. And for a small company like EBR...slowdowns are not moneymakers. Best bet for something like "factory optional bars" (which, generally, include different cables and lines) so folks don't end up with "stuff they don't want" is a core program / exchange program from dealers, where new takeoff parts (limits need to be set) can be sent back to the factory to be installed on the (standard) production line on a bike later in the season, once a buyer decides they want different bars at the time of sale/delivery and the dealership performs the installation (and core removal) per factory specs.
There's a lot more to it than 'just grab a different set of bars'.... |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Monday, November 28, 2016 - 03:21 pm: |
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If they are that low volume, maybe they could take a page out of Zero's workbook.
Every dealership gets one or two "Demo" bikes (no floor models or inventory beyond these two bikes).
When a customer orders a bike, they are essentially built to order. No extra inventory on hand gathering dust, and the dealership doesn't have to worry about paying "flooring" on bikes that don't sell. |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Monday, November 28, 2016 - 06:16 pm: |
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I like that idea Jaime. Makes too much sense. I guess the only thing you might be incurring would be higher delivery cost as they would be shipping single bikes around?
Makes test rides less of an issue at the dealership, but more importantly you get the bike the way YOU want it. |
Crusty
| | Posted on Monday, November 28, 2016 - 09:14 pm: |
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Back in 1999, Buell tried something like that. You could order your choice of frame colors, bodywork colors, accessories like bars, bags, fairing lowers, wheels, etc. It was a major bollix, as I recall.
But; being as small as EBR is; maybe it would work better. Just keep the number of choices reasonably small, which shouldn't be too hard.
So; I'll take a Black Lightning with the taller bars, lower pegs, comfort seat, windscreen and hard bags. Oh; I want to switch out the black plastic body work for red.
I think a Red Lightning Sport Tourer would be a great choice in bikes to ride to the Arctic Circle next June. Don't you?
(Message edited by Crusty on November 28, 2016) |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - 06:49 am: |
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quote:I think a Red Lightning Sport Tourer would be a great choice in bikes to ride to the Arctic Circle next June. Don't you?
Absolutely! |
Submax
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - 08:39 pm: |
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Nice mention on motorcycle.com. They list the EBR Black Lightning as #6 on their Top 10 highlights of the Long Beach International Motorcycle Show.
http://www.motorcycle.com/top10/10-highlights-from -the-long-beach-international-motorcycle-show.html ?utm_source=email&utm_campaign=Motorcycle.com_week ly&utm_source=Motorcycle.com20161124
(Message edited by submax on November 29, 2016) |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 03:55 pm: |
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I rather impressed at the price drop for the EBRs. We were at the Long Beach show and just happened to walk by with Erik was actually unveiling the Black Lightning. I was even the first to throw a leg over it. |
Ebrfan
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 08:03 pm: |
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Fresnobuell, you going to buy one of the new bikes? We need a first hand account from someone in an area warm enough to ride! |
1313
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 09:01 pm: |
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 Fresnobuell, you going to buy one of the new bikes?
Apparently he "doesn't get the Black Lightning" and was smitten with a white Ducati at the show.
But who knows, maybe he's seen the light since...
1313 |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2016 - 02:22 am: |
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Wow. Thanks for the research 1313. Excellent work there.
I like my 1125R. It gets better everytime I ride it.
No plans to buy anything for at least a couple years.
That white Ducati is sexy as hell and the S model has all the right bells and whistles for me. I just wish it had a few more ponies. I'll be interested to read the reviews next year. |
Crusty
| | Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2016 - 07:31 am: |
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I first got interested in Buells in 1996 at Daytona Bike Week. I took an S2 out for a ride, and liked it. Then I took an S2-T out for a ride and fell in love. The extra inch of height of the bars and the 1" lower foot pegs completely transformed the bike. The T felt like it had been designed specifically for me.
Just looking at specs, I'd have never even considered one, but the difference in feel caused an instant love affair. I hope the difference between the SX and the Black Lightning is as dramatic. And I really liked the SX when I did that extended Demo ride. |
Oddball
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2017 - 02:53 am: |
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I like the day it was introduced. My birthday!
I'll never actually see one in person but i'll always feel a connection to it. |
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