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Author Message   Tbs_stunta Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 07:37 pm:        If an RR is stamped as a 12R, then doesn't it have to meet the same regs as a regular 12R? If that's the case then why wouldn't Buell stamp them as special 12Rs and just market them as XB12R-RRs (like Ducati calling their WSB homologation bike the 999-S). But Buell is calling these distinctly RRs. Makes you think that if these were first assembled as XB12s and epa tested then converted they would be legit from the get go. I wonder how much that would add to the price? they wouldn't even have to assemble them all that well since they wouldn't have to be ridden anywhere.   Tbs_stunta Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 07:40 pm:        >>I think the XBRR has a XB12 vin If that's the case then that answers a lot of my questions. Anyone know for sure? >>They are only complaining because they might lose. We all know that. What will be really funny is that if down the line they try to protest and the AMA says no because they didn't do it at the first race. In a legal precedence kind of way.   Curtyd Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 07:57 pm:        AMA approved their entry in the FX class, who are they going to appeal to? Now, granted if Honda & Co. get control again of the AMA, the schizo AMA could flip the rulebook again, but that is on the AMA. They could also flip it to limit the pushrod cc's even further or allow higher cc two-strokes and the japanese are back exclusively dominant again and it's back to ho-hum, it's a HONDA again, racing. What's the big deal they haven't even finished a FX race yet? I am more worried about the AMA totally screwing over roadracing in the USA with their "new team", but then maybe that's a way we'll see FIM again, Daytona France family, meet MotoGP!!!   Cluckcluckpush Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 08:17 pm:        To quote Ben Spies "sure, it would be fun to ride a $350,000 600" tell me is that a street bike with 340,000 worth of diamonds poured into the tank? As far as legality goes I would like to shove the 102db limit straight up Dean Adams ass, maybe he can tell me the db of a 15.5k rpm FX Yamaha. I would like to see a video on Buells website of them slapping an xbrr motor into a Ulysyyes(sp?) that could shut everybody up. I have a feeling it could be done.   Court Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 10:01 pm:        >>>>I have a feeling it could be done. I think you're right.   Davegess Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 10:10 pm:        If an RR is stamped as a 12R, then doesn't it have to meet the same regs as a regular 12R? I bike would need to meet all the epa etc rules IF it was sold with a Manufacter certificate of origin certifying that it met federal regs. If you never did that it would not have to meet said regs. Give it a VIN and not issue an MCO. The factory bike are NEVER assembled to a NHTSA legal leval they are built from scratch in the race shop. Why does a Buell need to be built and then taken apart if Honda does not do that? The only diference is that Buell will actaully sell you an X bike. If Honda sold last years FX bikes they could not be sold as street legal becasue they are not.   Paint_shaker Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 10:19 pm:        Ok, just trying to see if I am following this.... A privateer can take an XB12R, modify it with all the parts to become an XBRR while spending more time and money then needed and this is legal? or, A privateer can buy an XBRR that utilizes a current production frame (with no vin?) for $31,000 and go racing tommorrow and this is illegal? What is the difference if the factory does the mods or the privateer (other than cost)?? What is the big deal? It's the same frame, VIN or not. Does the rule book state the frame has to have a VIN number??? If not, then it is a mute point.   1313 Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 10:46 pm:        I remember seeing a VIN label on the McWilliams XBRR that was in the race, but forgot to take a close-up picture of it like I wanted. Probably because I was offered the opportunity to sit on the bike and get my picture taken... Thinking back to another current, race only product from the MoCo that is nowhere near street legal, and guess what? The Destroyer indeed has a VIN: Here's what I believe to be the VIN label from Penzkofer's XBRR: And here's what I believe to be the VIN label from McWilliams XBRR: I could be wrong since I really don't know where the VIN label on a XB normally goes, but if a non-street legal bike like the Destroyer has a VIN, why wouldn't a non-street legal bike like the XBRR have a VIN too? 1313   Diablobrian Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 11:03 pm:        1313, honestly I think the vin is just a formality. people get a little hung up on. The rules do require one, but it's probably a hold over to avoid sub standard ultra-light one-off or custom chassis that would disintegrate in a crash. BTW: I hate you because I envy you so much, just like most of the other Buellers here.   Timbo Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 11:31 pm:        I for one, am both VERY happy and a little bummed. I was very impressed with how well the XBRR's qualified, and with Jeremy's racing before circumstances beyond his control took over. I know all too well how racing can go, and when it doesn't go well..., well, it's a bummer. But then you MOVE FORWARD with what you've learned. That's what racers do! If Buell is listening...THANK YOU! Do NOT lose heart. Timbo   M1combat Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 11:11 am:        Yeah... It has a VIN. It's an XB12R frame w/ Uly siderails welded in for extra fuel capacity (which you wouldn't need for anything other than the Daytona). I should have written the VIN down so as to decode it to see which MY it was . I'm sure it was '07 .   Mikej Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 11:58 am:        "(which you wouldn't need for anything other than the Daytona)" Speak for yourself. Fuel capacity is one of the common topics regarding the XB line of Buells. ps, I think the Uly would benefit from a 6+ gallon fuel capacity. (Message edited by mikej on March 16, 2006)   Midknyte Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 12:01 pm:        07? hmmmmmm   Blublak Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 12:54 pm:        OK.. Time for me to start another argument here.. To my (not very motorcycle designing trained) eyes.. the XBRR IS NOT A 12R. The frame is the DEAD GIVE AWAY.. Seriously Look At The Bike! It's a 12SS!. End of argument. So Ha-Rumph! Now, can all just have a drink and start pulling for all four teams to run the whole season HoSukYamaKaw be damned!   186bigtwin Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 01:54 pm:        I'm going over to Barbers in April, Man that's one beautiful place! I'm sure the Buell teams will have the slipper clutches by then, on that track they could win! GO RR GO!..............STEVE   M1combat Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 02:25 pm:        "HoSukYamaKaw" LOL . That's the best combination I've seen . Good work. I'll use it from now on if you don't mind .   Anonymous Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 04:46 pm:        Tbs, The bike meets the rules and won't be thrown out. The Japaholics hate it, and I could care less. The AMA completely agreed with the idea that it was cheaper for the racer if we modified the bikes in house, and that because we are a manufacturer, the bike HAS to be labelled differently or we violate Federal law. So you can spend more money and kit an XB12 at home if you would like (it'll still be a lot cheaper than Zemke's bike!). Or you can buy an XBRR which is an XB12 converted with the kit at the factory, and save a bunch of money for travel to the races, etc. BTW, the glass house boys in Deano's world better be careful jabbering about the dB limits or the Buell dealer teams may protest the Japanese factories. The XBRR passes the noise, and the factory 600s don't.   M1combat Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 05:02 pm:        "The XBRR passes the noise, and the factory 600s don't." That's good news... I hear it takes a lot of work to be quiet enough and still have enough power... Thanks for the info .   Blake Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 05:19 pm:        Like I said in another post yesterday, it sure is funny how some folks get all twisted up in prefering to see a race bike put into production for street use versus a street bike reworked for race use. The latter being the most logical by far. To be concerned with the fact that Honda blows smoke and mirrors at the market by calling their FX machine a CBR600RR is the most hilarious of silliness. One competitor in FX is being honest, the other is trying to exploit the performance of a $300,000 racing machine in order to sell street motorcycles. Which is better, for a manufacturer to offer its factory developed FX racing machines to the general racing public for a mere $31K, or to do like the Japan Inc teams and render their privateers entirely uncompetitive in favor of dominating the class themselves? They don't offer the same racing performance parts to privateers. Buell does. The Japan Inc machines are wildly expensive. Buell's aren't. What is your problem? You make no sense unless you are simply trying to cast Buell in a bad light. But the facts show the exact opposite.   Southern Marine Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 05:46 pm:        Frame on the RR holds more fuel than my 12. Might as well just buy the RR, then you have one street legal and one for the track. I don't give the first hoot what they call it, but I think that XBRR fits it best since it is a combination of the XB's.   Buellistic Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 05:54 pm:        "TO WIN !!!" If you apply all the RACING TECHNOLIGY that you can get off the XBRR your XB will be have a better safer motorcycle !!!   Bigdaddy Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 07:42 pm:        You can bet it passes the noise limitations. I was very surprised at how little noise (read as sweet music) it put out coming down the front. I like 'em loud, but that's just me. G2   Rocketman Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 08:36 pm:        I only know of one bike that was first a racer then a road bike. 916. Those 600cc Honda's might cost $350,000 but they don't start life as a $350,000 motorcycle. They were spawned from a stock 600cc production motorcycle and I don't know where realistically those high numbers come from where the manufacturer is concerned. I can see a number of add on's costing several thousand dollars a piece but the stock motorcycle is a very capable motorcycle out of the crate. There are many instances in racing where stock motorcycles surprise from time to time. Last season Glen Richards put a stock ZX10R well into the top ten including a 6th place in BSB. All they basically did was remove the lights and road gear and went racing. Obviously they used race tyres and benefited from a pipe and a tune-up but BSB fields some of the previous seasons WSB machines too, so these results from seemingly stock bikes are not to be frowned upon. Nor are they achieved from anywhere near $30,000 sometimes, let alone 10 times that figure. Ten Kate will build you a Fireblade the same as Chris Vermulen's SB for around £20,000. In the right hands it would be just as capable of winning any Superbike Race. Also consider, the motors that the current Superbikes are using are not that much more breathed upon than what comes stock to the customer. Nor do they require rebuilding after every race meeting, some going a full season without the need. Rocket   Crusty Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 09:38 pm:        Just something to think about. There were only five bikes on the lead lap at the end of the 200; Three factory Hondas and two factory Yamahas. Does anyone really believe that those bikes were even close to what a privateer could field? Jason DeSalvo's forks alone cost almost as much as an entire XBRR.   Benm2 Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 10:10 pm:        quote: Just something to think about. There were only five bikes on the lead lap at the end of the 200; Three factory Hondas and two factory Yamahas. Does anyone really believe that those bikes were even close to what a privateer could field? Jason DeSalvo's forks alone cost almost as much as an entire XBRR. If you put me on Disalvo's bike, I'd have been more than 1 lap off the leaders. Prolly more like, say, 20. Credit where credit is due; factory riders are fast. Remember, riding motorcycles on a racetrack IS their day job. quote: The XBRR passes the noise, and the factory 600s don't. You can't imagine how disappointed I was. I had the volume turned up on the TV and everything, waiting to hear those beasts thundering around the banking. F* the rules, be the loudest! Best of luck for the remainder of the season. Looking forward to the demanded CC reduction at the end of season. (from winning! get it? from winning!)   Davegess Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 11:07 pm:        Rocket the Formula Extreme rules allow lots of thing that Superbike rules do not. Hence the Extreme thing. It is a neat class. The factory bikes are very expensive because every thing they can change they do and they make only a handfull of these parts. On the stuff that can't be changed they spend a lot of money getting perfect "production" parts. The factory bikes are tricker than the the AMA superbikes.   Ortegakid Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 11:25 pm:        And believe me,it is amazing,one of my good friend is a chief on one of the factory teams, he used to let me visit the factory,(the blue one),in buena park, some of the pistons he showed me(used), cost 5g's,(5,000 dollars) each! Simply amazing what buell is doing, should be applauded at every opportunity!!And that was a few years ago!   Captpete Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 01:37 am:        Ah, yes... the pizza pizza post. I did one of those a while back. Thanks, mate. Now I'm not alone anymore.   Buellistic Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 08:10 am:        Bring back Class "C" racing !!! A racer can only be number 1 if able to Road Race, Dirt Track(mile and 1/2 mile), Short Track(1/4 mile and 1/8 mile)and TT ...   Davegess Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 10:05 am:        I'm with Buellistic.