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Ara


Posted on Monday, December 20, 2004 - 01:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake,
Creation and evolution are not mutually exclusive. God was a suffiently ingenius and far-sighted Creator that He provided for the ability of species to adapt to a dynamic environment. I think the primary task of science is to discover the creative genius of God. Scientists have done that quite well over the centuries, and I therefore view science as one avenue by which God is glorified. I don't see scientists as the enemy. We have plenty already - no reason to invent more.
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Dino


Posted on Monday, December 20, 2004 - 10:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey, Oktoberfasters! Go to the Oktoberfast 2004 thread in the Tale Section...win a prize!

Warning, you may wish to pan quickly thru past posts to avoid exposure to unsightly, ummm, unsightly, ummm, nevermind...I don't want to talk about it.

(Message edited by dino on December 20, 2004)
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Captainkirk


Posted on Monday, December 20, 2004 - 10:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ara,
Well put!
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Buelliedan


Posted on Monday, December 20, 2004 - 11:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

this is my way of wishing you all a merry Christmas!!

buellxmas
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Buelliedan


Posted on Monday, December 20, 2004 - 11:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

and just one more!! hehe
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Dino


Posted on Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 01:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Awesome card, Buellie! Very cool!

My compliments...and Merry Christmas.
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Ethanr


Posted on Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 02:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not to add fuel to the fire, but anyone interested in reading the book Blake mentioned re evolution vs. creation can read it in its entirety at <http://www.creationscience.com/>. Regardless of your stance it's a good read and sheds some rather interesting light on the debate.
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Buellisti
Posted on Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 02:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake,

No disrespect to you. I had a copy of Brown's book and as a hydrogeology specialist. I could not make heads or tails of his claims. Page 336 is the most entertaining claim. He offers a fair debate. To this day, he has never accepted a challenge. There have been many. Meert has been trying to set up a debate with Brown for years. Brown has simply claimed that Meert doesn't meet his standard as stated on page 336. His challenge is oxymorinic in that creation is a theological topic. He says he's not a theologian. I'll accept that claim. He's not a scientist either.

His claims are neither observable or replicable. His entire book must be taken on faith. His position is not subject to revision nor is it plausible. For example: "Over the centuries, the continental plates "sank" into the basalt below". There is no physical evidence for what he claims. The continental plates are still there and moving today, composed of basalt and floating upon the mantle (molten basalt). Californians experience this movement time to time as they live were two plates come together. Now, in certain areas where the plates meet, a continental plate does sink into the basalt. The plate returns to it's molten origin. Geologically we call that subduction. I overly simplified it, but that is but one striking example. The same natural laws that enable a Buell to work are all ignored in his hydroplate hypothesis.

Science is not a belief system. Science is merely a tool for exploring the observable world. Scientist constantly test, observe, rethink, and test again their ideas. Once these ideas, hypothesi, having been tested repeatably and have not failed. They are elevated to the status of theory. The moment a hypothesis fails, a scientist throws it out and considers a new explantion.

I hate ad hominem attacks. So I won't go there. I simply would ask you to consider this analogy. If you had a broken arm and needed surgery would you go to an orthopedic surgeon or a civil engineer? They are both trained in the sciences, but which one is competent to set a broken arm?

I'm glad I found the site. I enjoy it and I think you've done a hell of a service for the Buell rider's that have been here.

Thanks and Merry Christmas.
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Josh_


Posted on Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 01:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Buy a Buell and get a discount off a riding school
http://www.classrides.com/news_3.html
"From December 2004 through December 2005 if you purchase a new 2005 sport bike, Reg will offer you $50 toward any CLASS school and challenge your dealer to match his offer to total $100 off your CLASS Motorcycle School. It’s all to help teach and reinforce sport-riding safety and to hopefully save lives!"
Eligible 2005 Motorcycles for the Safety First Challenge Include:
Buell XB9R, XB12R

I'm signing up for June, Mon 6 and Tues 7 Road America Elkhart Lake, WI if anyone wants to hand around after Homecoming.
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Midknyte
Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 01:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

More info on the MotoCzysz, and a bunch of pictures

http://twistingasphalt.com/index.php/archives/2004/12/13/the-seattle-cycleworld- show-motoczysz-in-person/
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Mikej


Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 08:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"on a positively leak free bike"

hmmmm, got work to do
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Knickers


Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 12:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mccompare/04_Streetfighters/index.motml

Buell takes top spot in streetfighter shootout. Its a subscription site but worth the $12 IMO.
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Midknyte
Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Ebear


Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 04:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Knickers....No Kidding!!!..I went ahead since I also own A Tuono and I joined up.That Motorcycle.Com is da' Bomb!!!Not only do they have the info online months earlier than the Mags but you can look up ANY article or review from 1993 forward!!!Plus these guys don't pander to ANYBODY!!!If they feel a certain way they tell you and DAMN the conseqences!That was a refreshing read and thanks for the link to join up.This is now my SECOND favorite Motorcycle site!Roadracing World still first just cause they post everyday.And they loved the Buell!!
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Madgaz


Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 04:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

To all from the boys and gals from Buell'in Oz,
we wish all a very merry season and look forward to yet another great year Buelling.

MadGaz
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Bikerjim99


Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 06:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Merry Christmas to all!

God bless all of you, I have enjoyed and appreciated all of you here.

Jim
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Ebear


Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 06:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Buelliedan...Did you design that Frosty XB??
That is AWESOME!!!..I would LOVE to utilize that graphic next year on my Cards!!Ping me offline sometime please...
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Paulinoz


Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 06:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Merry Christmas (spelling for Blake) and a Happy new year to all my friends out the in the World of Buell. I leave in less than half an hour on a 5000 km Round trip for 10 days F250 Packed with XB in the back, No Internet for a while so all of you be safe and have a good Christmas.


PaulinOz

Paul Rogers
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 11:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks mate. Here's wishing you good luck, good fun, good health.
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Buelliedan


Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 11:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No I did not design those cards. that was sent out by Peggy and Mary from BRAG.. Cool hey!!
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 03:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ara,
Are you talking about adaptation or evolution? I agree with your statement though. It is just that anyone who claims that evolution is fact is well... not quite using the same definition of "fact" that I use. I have yet to see any convincing evidence showing how one species turned into another, like how all live on Earth evolved from single celled organisms. Cause that is the theory that a true evolutionist proposes is it not? In fact the true evolutionists hold that life happened by accident along with the rest of the universe. Talk about faith. Wow. : )
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Smoke
Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 06:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

exactly where or when is the beginning and how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
Happy Holidays,
tim
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Smoke
Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 06:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh,Oh--what about before the beginning? what was where?
Happy Holidays,
tim
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Josh_


Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 08:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm not a moderator, tho I play one on TV.
Can we move the Evo discussion to a Quick topic?
Thanks
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Buelliedan


Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 10:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Can we just leave religion out of a biker board period?? Sacborg had the same crap going on until Chop made a command decision and has now outlawed all religious threads.
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Bandm


Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 11:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



Have Fun,

Mark
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Midknyte
Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 12:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Firemanjim


Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Josh and Dan--my sentiments exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Smoke
Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 02:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

me, i was trying to interject a little humour into a grave subject.
happy holidays,
tim
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Kinger


Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 03:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anybody know where to buy Motorcycle Consumer News??? I have called the local bookstores, and none of them carry it.

I am giving my dad a subscription for christmas and would like to wrap up the current issue for him to open.

Thanks.
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