| Author | Message | ||
     Jake |
The 1650 M/PG record Brian Perkins got, he took from us - your friends @ the Sportster List Race Team. That was the 1st record we ever set @ Bonneville in 1650. Crim set it last year @ 167.662 mph with a hurt engine. We also set the A/PG 1650 record which, to the best of my knowledge, still stands. Neither 1650 record, nor the P/PP 1000 record Tami & Dale's Sportster took from Moto Guzzi (which still stands) would have been possible without generous assistance from Aaron. We WILL get the 1650 M/PG record back, that I promise you & we'll break 200 mph too, 'cause I want Warner Riley's "World's Fastest Sportster" record S&S claims is 206, although I can't find it in the record book. Until then, we'll concentrate on Maxton & revel in your success @ Bonneville! We've had the pleasure of meeting many of you crazy Elves & look foward to doing so again next year. Congratulations again to all of you for a job well done! - Art. | ||
| Pammy |
I missed all the pics(GREAT PICS) last night. I had to go to bed early....I felt a little, well, a little GLOATED. Aaron, great job. Richard, you kick ass. | ||
| Jb2 |
You guys are way too nice for your own good... okay now I'm gettin' out of the way and let the "real" players step up here again.  JB2 | ||
| Aaron |
Art, to me, racers helping racers is what it's all about. That's the way it should be. I'm happy and proud to have you guys over here letting me do what little I can to help. Even when you've got a bike in the same class as me! I wouldn't have it any other way. | ||
| Ncbueller |
Team Elves: Once again, congratulations from NASCAR Country | ||
| Jeffb |
FMJ & All, First I want to say that I wasn't there and don't know what happened that has turned everyone here against Brian, but I will say again that I do know Brian and know that he is very competitive. You guys all know that now. As for the dyno and trailer - What's the big deal? Aaron has one too. The trailer and dyno are both bought and paid for by Brian. Did you see the sign that said Perkins Performance on the side of the trailer? It didn't say S&S anywhere. His team of "engineers and technician" were all friends and mostly family, all there because they want to help Brian out not because they had $$ invested in the project. I haven't spoken with Brian yet. I am not sure when he is going to be back here to work. I just wanted to try to defend him before you guys completely tore him apart. Also, he didn't run in MPS-PF so he really wasn't a threat to Team Elves and the records they were going for. It does look like you are going to have some competition now though. If I were all of you, I would love that. It certainly will make everything that goes on here more interesting. If you guys want to respond to competition by calling hard working people names and saying he didn't play fair. Go ahead. From Brian's friends, we all say Congratulations Team Elves! What you did was amazing, but what Brian did wasn't too bad either. Jeff Bailey | ||
| Court |
Jeff: As Manager of Team Elves, I'll offer my reponse by saying that I hope and am confident that no one here bears any competitor any ill will. Like you, I like the element the competition adds. I can't look into the minds of others, but would hazard a guess that anything that was said that was, or appeared to be, beyond the limits of competative banter, was the result of celbratory overexuberance during our online jubilant celebration. I hope that no one here "tears him apart", I'd prefer we celebrate our own accomplishments rather than diminish anyone elses. And besides, if his team and engineers are all friends, I envy him. There are 3 guys on our team that I, personally, can't stand  . I hope to meet Brian at the World of Speed event next year. Court | ||
| Captpete |
Jeff, I've not met you personally, but I want to say thanks for your recent post. I, too, was not in attendance and am igorant of the goings-on, but I think we all need the reminder occasionally that you can never go wrong taking the high road, as difficult as it may be at times. Congratulations are in order for all. Capt. Pete | ||
| Captpete |
And, Court: C'mon with that wallpaper! | ||
| Phillyblast |
Jeffb, Working for S&S has got to be a dream job for anyone that like fast bikes, huh? Any openings in the IT dept.? I saw the records and runs posted under Perkins Performance, not S&S Performance, and I can only imagine if S&S backed it they'd want their name on it. Really guys, let's cut the guy some slack here. He built a really really fast bike, and put a hurt on some records at Bonneville. Sound like anyone we know? Bueller, anyone, anyone? As to the resentment over the "stealth tactics," I wasn't there, I can't comment except to ask if anyone has ever played poker? So let's keep the friendly in friendly competition, because at the end of it all, you maybe get a t-shirt and a hat, no one gets a big styrofoam check, or goes to Disneyworld. Congrats to Perkins Performance, hope to meet you guys on the Salt next year. Hey, I'll buy you all a consolation round at the bar afterwards.  | ||
| X1glider |
Hey Jeff, you're getting all bent out of shape for nothing. Nobody called anyone names, made insults or turned against anyone, yet you're getting uptight about about it "just in case" it happens. Chill out. Everyone welcomes competition, it makes victory even sweeter. Beating yourself isn't any fun. Well, maybe it is, but that's a topic for discussion on SacBORG.  If anything, I'm excited about the future. It was posted that Brian? was the guy who devloped the FI. S&S makes awesome products and I look forward to their contribution to the FI world. Wether or not this Bonneville experience will make it into S&S's R&D data on FI performance, I don't know. I'll guess that he will use this newfound knowledge somehow and make things better, not only for his own endeavors but for those who buy aftermaket products too. A fully mappable FI system for my twin cam would be awesome. | ||
| Aaron |
Hmm, lessee, a bunch of people running around in S&S shirts, reports of unobtanium one-off S&S parts and eyewitness reports of the bike at S&S, but it says something else on the trailer, therefore ... Yeah, makes sense to me. I don't see what the big deal is. There's nothing in the rule book that says S&S can't go racing or that people can't get substantial help from S&S. Don McCaw used to get help from S&S, too. Hell, S&S even helped us a little, and there are S&S decals on my bike. I got no problem with that at all. S&S is a fine company that makes many fine products, some of which are in my motor. I think it's GREAT that they help racers. But don't insult my intelligence. | ||
| X1glider |
I've just spent and hour going thru all the GDB posts since last Friday. 5 pages! Yikes! Congratulations to all the Elves and friends of Elves. Hopefully my bike wasn't a voodoo bike doll. I lost a cylinder as well on Sunday. I heard a THUNK! when the front cut out but an exterior inspection turned up nothing catastrophic as there were no chunks of metal missing and no clanging around the inside of the engine. I was able to ride home but could not race a kid on his Busa from a stop light.  All I know is that my problem isn't electrical. I've traced the spark all the way to the plug, replacd everything in the ignition with known good components. So, it's definitely a mechanical. The idle shot up 500 rmp. The fact that I felt air coming out of the head's breather doesn't mean anything. The fact that it didn't blow up or shoot fire out my carb tells me my exhaust port is operating fine. The header is cool to the touch so no air is flowing thru it. I'm grasping straws, but I'm guessing I broke an intake rocker arm or at the worst, welded the valve shut somehow. I was too pissed off to remove the valve cover to look. Hopefully the head isn't damaged, as in a dropped valve sest or something. If it is, I'll be giving the Nallins a call and let them do the repairs and consequently getting her running right(eous). If anyone has another idea of my problem, do tell. | ||
| Choptop |
Hell, all I know is there were two guys there gunning for my 50cc SC-G record, and the competition was HEATED. We kept to our own pits, keeping with us the secrets that would get us over the mystical 40mph Barrier. Me with the YSR motor covered, and they kept the Z50 motor off the bike until it was time to line up in the staging area. VERY sneaky. They were using some parts off a Monkey Bike, and we arent sure if they are legal in the class. I'll have to get a ruling on that from the Head Tech. I just want to hold onto my "Worlds Slowest Land Speed Record" title. I guess I can always fall back on the 50cc SC-F record for that  . If you cant tell... I'm just kidding. To a point. There WAS a crew there going after my 50cc SC-G record. But no, there wasnt any secretive stuff. There WAS a whole bunch of handshaking and laughing going on between us. They had trouble with their rig, the MASSIVE torque of the Z50 motor blew out 3rd gear in their tranny, and they were too over geared to hit 4th, so they put it on the trailer and headed home. Nice guys, hope to see them next year. I might just have to dust off the YSR rig and give them a run for it. Actually we came to a tennative argeement, if they break the record, they'll hold it for a while, then I can break it. Fun stuff. Right now, we are planning bigger and better things for both the WLA and the Triumph. Might even go 80-85 mph on the Triumph, that would rock. | ||
| Court |
A Reasonable Request....... I've received a request, from a party so embarrased to ask the he/she has requested The confusion stems from the origin of the term "Elves". In a world where teams are named Panthers, Lions, Gladiators and such, why would anyone name a team, particularly one riding a distant relative of the ultra-macho Harley-Davidson, anything like "Elves". I'll try to sit down this evening and clear this up. Court, I'm too embarrassed to post this request publicly. I've been wearing the coolest shirt in the world (especially now) around, and am constantly being asked, "Why Team Elves?" " Ahh, umm, large weather we're having." Maybe a little 'history' thing on the Elves site to get me out of this jam? Regards, XXXXXXX | ||
| Court |
I gotta get back to what I was doing....... so would one of you "sponges for facts" who has some time on your hands, research the various LRS websites and find out, so Dave Gess can write the press release tonight, what the heck we have done? First time over 200MPG of less than 2000cc? First opened bodied (non-streamliner) over ? Firt HD powered ? I haven't a clue . . . Let me know what you find out. I generally don't allow myself to be burdened by facts, but in this case...... | ||
| Sharkus |
I am going to post this here as I'm not sure exactly what the problem is. I returned home on Saturday from a 150 mile ride to find oil splattered on the back side of the bike. Not sure if oil leaked onto the belt and the belt slung is back there or what. I could not find anywhere on the top of the engine where oil had leaked from. Does anyone know where this could be coming from? btw...this is a '99 X1. | ||
| Jeffb |
Aaron, Brian is Brian. Everything is a secret. The first time I saw his bike was when the pictures were posted on landracing.com. He built the bike in a machine shed on his time with his money. He paid for the parts just like anyone else. I don't think S&S's marketing department even knew he was going there this year, but then again, everything seems to be a secret. Yes, there were people who work for S&S there helping Brian, but that doesn't mean S&S sponsored him. I don't know how else to say that. I love working here and hate to see S&S's name being included with negative conversations where there is no reason for it. However Brian decided to do things on the salt is Brian's deal. I don't know what happened, but please, I wasn't S&S on the salt this year. For whatever reason, S&S is interested in drag racing right now. Brian is the EFI guy around here though, and we do have tunable systems for Twin Cams. Jeff | ||
| Reepicheep |
Sharkus... Check the rocker box gaskets closely first. Mine went everywhere and dribbled all over the place when it leaked, and it was not immediately obvious when looking. There was only a small amount of oil around the actual rockerbox gasket, but was lots everywhere else on the bike (more the lower and further back you went). A non trivial amount drooled around the shock, which was also leaking at the time. It was a tough summer Not a big deal, its a relatively cheap and easy fix (use the new metal firebolt gaskets). You will need a torque wrench, a few gaskets, and an allen wrench you can cut slightly. Tons of info in the knowledge vault about doing the job. | ||
| Bomber |
I moment of proud papa-hood if I may . . . .we just found out the our daughter (H.S. Senior) has been admitted to both Miami of Ohio and Bradley! Not bad for a kid with parents who forgot to finish college! now all i gotta do is pay for it (if you hear stories of a black M2-mounted man knocking over liquor stores and such, please tell the constable that I was with you the entire dy, yes?) Thanks -- you may now return to your previously-scheduled oily explainations (btw, sharkus, it very likely IS your rear rocker box . . .doesn't take much of a leak to oil down the entire rear half of the bike . . . . . . washer good, rider he a couple of blocks, and check the rocker box junctions . . . . ) | ||
| Aaron |
Oh. Okay, now I understand where you're coming from. I can assure you that personally, nothing that happens out there on the salt will change my opinion of S&S. I hope it doesn't for anyone else, either. I hold S&S and their products in the highest regard. | ||
| Choptop |
Does S&S make a tunable FI system for a 250cc Triumph? How about a YSR? WLA? Team Galbraith would be VERY interested in those. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Congrats Bomber! I was just up at Miami last month on my Cyclone doing an emergency repair of a cousin-in-laws desktop PC (blown power supply). I would vouch for you, but I am on a black M2 as well, so they would just haul us both in Email me offline if you are looking for a good deal on a nice laptop for her. There is a particular model thinkpad that is a nice machine and they are going for very good prices on Ebay (lots of corporate off lease machines hitting the market, and the thinkpad models can be so confusing people don't know which ones are the real gems). I am about half an hour north of Miami here... if you or her need anything, or want more info, just email. Bill | ||
| Bomber |
Bill . . .yer a prince . .. .. laptop is in the works, but no real rush, I'm thinkin . . . . she doesn't leave til 10 months or so from now . . . I really appreciate the backup . . . .we're in Chicago, so it's not the end of the world from here, but rapid response teams are ALWAYS appreciated! | ||
| Ncbueller |
Chop: Belated Congratulations !!!!! | ||
| Road_Thing |
I feel the urge to say a good word for S&S here. When my Confederate with their 113" motor started making ugly clunking noises (only 4,000 miles on it, but 3 YEARS out of warranty) we pulled the top end off and found excessive piston to cylinder clearance (like in excess of .010", as near as we could measure-there's not a whole lot of skirt on those pistons). Sent the pieces to S&S and they replaced them all at NO CHARGE. They said something like "they shouldn't've done that. Here...try these." My experience obviously left me with a warm fuzzy feeling for S&S. I don't want to believe that the company, if they were involved in a corporate sense in a competitive effort, would behave unethically. If the other team was secretive or underhanded (and I said "IF"--I wasn't there) I prefer to think that it arose from the competitive instincts of the individual team members. r-t | ||
| Josh |
Choptop, Great job on the records, when can we get some pics of the entered bikes and riders? Hope to see you guys out there next year. Josh | ||
| Pammy |
I don't think anyone here would malign S&S. They are a great company and definately do their homework on performance parts. I think there was just a little "trash" talk between rivals. Perfectly normal.evidently, Brian just uses a little more strategy during competition. Just his way. Maybe he felt like the underdog and was just being protective. | ||
| Pammy |
Oh, Chop...great going on the records!!Congrats to you and your family. I would have loved to be there just to hear the commentary that went on during your runs. They were hilarious last year.You folks know how to have fun. |
