| Author | Message | ||
     M2buell |
I am selling a M2 Cyclone. This bike is very clean. It has 6500 mile. I have Kooks exhaust system, Forcewinder intake, X1 cam, lowered handlebar kit, week old Dunlop D208ZR tires, and many other extra to go along with it. I am asking $5500.00, may be flexible. | ||
| M2buell |
Bike was dynoed at right at 100 rwhp and right at 100 ft lbs of tq. | ||
| 57sporty |
Not at no 1200cc's Maybe an 88" 1426cc motor. You must be dreaming. | ||
| Steve_mackay |
100/100? Not a chance | ||
| Phat_j |
hey 57, i'm glad i'm not the only one seeing this trend, but come on... 100 and 100? get real..... my buddy's bike with xb heads, 536 cams, kt exhaust, is only gettin 95 and 80... my s2 with 1250 kit, xb heads, 536 cams, and force big bore exhaust is at 103 and 88.... give me the number to your dyno guy so i can call him a lyer... | ||
| 57sporty |
Like I said no way possible with a 1200cc or 1250 kit to get 100lb of torque. I had a 88" Sporty that made 102hp and 105lb. My present bike is a Nallinized X1 with XB ported heads, CP 30 degree Domed pistons, Andrews cams, Force pipe! Runs like a scalded dog. Making at the most 110hp and 90lb. We all know that no 1200cc bike will not make over 100lb unless it is turbo charged, blown, or NOS! | ||
| Bluzm2 |
Guys, I think Aaron would argue the "no way possible" comment. His shop bike puts down 126HP plus! I don't remember the torque but it was over 100ft lb while remaining VERY streetable. The dyno charts are in the KV somewhere. | ||
| Josh_ |
don't forget to include "HD" or "air-cooled 45deg twin" in the "no way 1200cc is over 100hp" blanket statement | ||
| Steve_mackay |
http://www.nallinracing.com/images/draaronm2.gif Josh, 124/97. With: NRHS Stage 3 CNC XB heads NRHS 1250 kit NRHS Signature Series Exhaust System Red Shift 585 cams Mikuni HSR45 carburetor Crane HI-4E Ignition S&S Roller Rockers JIMS Hydrosolid lifters | ||
| Phat_j |
hey bluzm2....i dont wanna get into a pissin match here, but 100hp outa 1200cc is very possible....... 100lb.... doubtfull, but i cant rule it out..... but both? not a chance.... | ||
| Bluzm2 |
Paht, After going back and digging in the KV, there have been a couple of charts posted that are very close. One clocked at 99 and change. However low 90's is much more commmon. I remembered Aaron's being over 100 but I was off a bit. Still, low 90's is nothing to sneeze at. | ||
| Phat_j |
low 90s oh hp or torque? | ||
| 57sporty |
The argument is that no slight modified bike with a race ignition and pipe is going make over 100hp and 100lb of torque without heavily being modified. | ||
| Bluzm2 |
Phat, Torque was low 90's Hp over 100 | ||
| Hogs |
Big Bore and lots of STROKE head work, last but not least cams will get ya well over a 100 plus...... | ||
| Josh_ |
Steve, I was simply commenting on 57's statement >The argument is that no slight modified bike with a race ignition and pipe is going make over 100hp and 100lb of torque without heavily being modified. >don't forget to include "HD" or "air-cooled 45deg twin" in the "no way 1200cc is over 100hp" blanket statement 'course your example wasn't a 1200cc motor (but rather 1250) and didn't make 100ft/lb, but regardless I'm sure there are 1200cc bikes out there making 100RWHP. My 99 S3 with only Nallin Stg1 heads and a race kit make 95RWHP. But not 100ft/lb. Watercooled bikes on the other hand... | ||
| 57sporty |
Steve, I was simply commenting on 57's statement >The argument is that no slight modified bike with a race ignition and pipe is going make over 100hp and 100lb of torque without heavily being modified. >don't forget to include "HD" or "air-cooled 45deg twin" in the "no way 1200cc is over 100hp" blanket statement 'course your example wasn't a 1200cc motor (but rather 1250) and didn't make 100ft/lb, but regardless I'm sure there are 1200cc bikes out there making 100RWHP. My 99 S3 with only Nallin Stg1 heads and a race kit make 95RWHP. But not 100ft/lb. Watercooled bikes on the other hand... Most Buell's out of the box make 85-90 rwhp. At the crank we have 91hp on M2 and X1 and other TS head bikes and new XB 1200's are estimated at 100hp at the crank. There are 1200 bikes out there that make 100hp. A lot of varibles are a factor in dyno's. My 1999 Sportster had Edelbrock heads with 3 13/16 bore that made 12.9.1 compression with 600 lift cams and made only 101hp and 105lb of torque. I was even running 1.75 roller rockers, S&S carb, Thunderheader and had it tuned right on the money. Lots of $$$ to make one run. The Buell crank is lighter and is able to make more horsepower. My argument was that no Buell will make 100hp rear wheel without some modification. Pipe, jetting, race exhaust, airfilter and even bolt in cams will not yield 100lb of torque. Displacement is the only way to make big torque numbers along with a cam grind that makes good low end power. I am going to put my X1 on the local dynojet 250 to demonstrate to you guys that it is tough to make HP. There is much hype out there today about HP numbers and we have even seen how some numbers can be modified by increasing the temperature. I had my 88" dynoed at a local dynojet 250 and it only made 94hp and 105lb. Did some tunning on the Thunderjet by leaning out the topend and took it to another dyno where it made the 101hp and 105lb. | ||
| Josh_ |
57, I think everyone here (but m2Buell of course) is in agreement that there's no way his bike is making anywhere near 100/100. I think we also agree that while 100HP @ aircooled 1200ccs is possible, it isn't as easy as a few bolt-ins and 100ft/lbs takes a dedicated tuner lots of time to get close. 1250cc/97ft/lbs is close tho I'm sure Aaron could hit 100ft/lbs with 1200ccs if given that as the target. Hmm what were the Tq #s on the 160MPH 1000cc RR? .... | ||
| 57sporty |
Josh, I fully agree and know that Aaron does some nice work with heads and tunning. This was point as well! You all ride safe and have a blessed weekend. | ||
| M2buell |
Like i said, it was right close, i believe it was 92 ft lbs too be exact, but rwhp was 100. | ||
| M2buell |
Like i said, it was right close, i believe it was 92 ft lbs to be exact, but rwhp was 100. | ||
| M2buell |
Hopefully you all know that only a few years (i believe) came with the thunderstorm heads. which i do have some sort of aftermarket pistons in the bike. I'm not sure what kind or anything though. But either way, if you are not interested in the bike, keep to yourself. | ||
| Phat_j |
yo dude, i gotta call your bluff...i'll bet my motorcycle against yours that with stock heads, and i dont care what pistons (which i dont belive you have aftermarket pistons or you woulda listed that in the beginning) you are got getting 100hp, and i'll do ya one better i'll give ya down to 90lbs of torque....100/90 is the bet??? ya game? | ||
| Steve_mackay |
M2Buell, yup, thunderstorms are great, but ain't gonna getcha 100/100, or even 100/92 without cams/headwork. A thunderstormed M2 gets low 80s for HP #s | ||
| M2buell |
look, i'm telling everyone what the dyno sheet said. The guy i bought it from had the engine work done to it. it has been rebuilt, and has had some head work done and had an X1 cam in it. I'm going by the sheet. I'm sorry I dont know exactly what was done, just tell you what the sheet said. | ||
| Phat_j |
man, the list of mods keeps growning..... next thing ya know its gonna have a 88" in it.... i'm telling you, if the sheet said 100/100 that was a diff bike, and you got duped.... sorry, but thats the way it is. | ||
| M2buell |
Like i said before, if you are not interested keep your comments to yourself. |
