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     Nytrashman |
a quick question about Cheng Chin C6000 Barracuda V tires. i would like to know if anyone has used these tires in the following sizes: Front 100/90-16 & rear 130/80-16. i am thinking of putting them on my Blast but would like to hear the good, the bad & the ugly about them. also if anyone has used Avon tires how much is involved in getting a 140 to fit on the rear of the Blast? what kind of mods need to be done to the swing arm & shock mount? thanks George | ||
| Ezblast |
They are as sticky as the Pirrelli reportedly, they fit, and they are V rated - a good tire but a bit funky looking. Last as long as a Pirrelli also. The 140/70 & 110/70 Viperstrykes also fit, the swing arm can be modded with a drift and hand sledge hammer - you just want to knock the guard back - make sure it doesn't touch the shock though - thats too far back - lol, or you could run them at track air pressure of 30.5 psi+-1 and check that it stays there when high speed riding. I have yet to try the Viperstrykes in the regular sizes because these are the most sticky tire I've tried, and I like the larger tire - less likely to make it to the edge;0) on the street. After 800 miles you can run whatever pressure you want. GT - JBOTDS! EZ  | ||
| Nytrashman |
will i have a clearance problem with the front fender since i am putting a larger size tire on the front wheel? my local tire place gave me a price of $39(F) & $49(R) for the tires. that is with me dropping the bike off, they remove my old tires and mount & balance my new tires. i thought that was a good price and i am going to have them order the tires today. once i put a few hundred miles on them i'll give everyone my opinions on them. George | ||
| Ezblast |
No clearance problems. GT - JBOTDS! EZ | ||
| Buellistic |
Ezblast: Is the 140/70-16 tires the same height as the 170/60-17 ??? Also what is the height over the OEM 120/80-16 ??? In BLASTing LaFayette | ||
| Ezblast |
I never did a height measurement - just width - 128.78/121.28 rr and 105.14/102.60fr - that is the Viper in plus size vs stock Pirrelli size. - Later for height measurement due to prepping for a ride is consumming my time - lol GT - JBOTDS! EZ | ||
| Jandj_davis |
If your ride in the rain I would stay away from the Cheng Shin Barracudas. They are great in the dry, they stick well and get great mileage, but when it gets wet they turn into worthless snot balls. I rode home yesterday, and any abrupt application of the throttle made the rear start to step out. Down shifting did the same thing. Turning was kinda fun though. Dirttracking my CB550 is not what it is made for, but do-able. Personally I would look at the Maxxis Promaxx. They seem to be near the same price range, and Maxxis has a much better reputation, at least in car circles. I am trying them next season. | ||
| Ezblast |
They may not fit at 130/90 - however, let us know if they do! GT - JBOTDS! EZ | ||
| Nytrashman |
tires will be here on monday so i will let everyone know if they fit, i sure hope so. | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
The front fender may have to be raised and the rear may need the hammer modification. The 130/80 Chen Shin has reported to fit, but I'm skeptical because others also have and dont! Manufacturers do also make minor (or major) changes in tire design that may affect the limited rear tire clearance on the Blast. | ||
| Nytrashman |
the tires arrived today but i was unable to mount them. first thing after work tomorrow i will put them on and let everyone know once & for all if they fit or if any mods to the shock mount/front fender were needed. the poster who said they are funny looking (i think it was EZ) you sure were right, they really are funny looking tires. | ||
| Nytrashman |
the tires went on with no problems at all. no mods were needed, just take the wheels off and mount them up. i wish i had a chance to really go out and put them through there paces but my dirt bike is in pieces and a bunch of us are going riding on sat so i best get the bike put back together. one thing i did notice on my short ride was with the larger front tire the steering seems a bit slower,which i like. it also takes the bumps much better then the stock front tire. if anyone is interested i'll post again after i give them a real good work out, which hopefully will be tomorrow. | ||
| Ezblast |
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| Baggermike |
Hi Guys does anyone know of dirt or duel sport tires that will fit the blast? I am trying to get the bike set up for the winter riding. I found 130 X 90 X 16 duel sport tires that I think will fit the front tire with out the fender and I can work with that, but the rear pirelli tire that is a 120 X 80 is close to hitting the swing arm so I have to chose the rear tire carefully. I also got one tire that is 3.00 X 16 and is thiner than the front but higher and has slots in the knobs, I think this is going to be a problem with the installation of the studs or the studs staying in the tires so I am not going to use it, the studs come in a few sizes and are made to be installed in any type of tire but are expensive at a buck a stud, they are made just for motorcycle and scooter tires, not like the sheet metal screws the ice guys use, they have a special treated tip on one end and and a self tapping screw type end and comes with a tool for installing them in the tires. I have a new pirelli's on the bike and could put the studs in them with out a problem, but the studs will not help in the snow so I have been looking for a good tire that will power the bike through a half foot of snow and from what I have seen so far there is not allot of 16" dirt or duel sport tires made. The blast is my bad weather riding bike or like a spare tire because I have no car, so if I need to get places in bad weather, or want to have some fun in the snow I will need tires that will push the bike through the snow. I had a honda XL 350 that would not go fast in the deep snow but was a blast to ride, sideway with a rooster tail shooting up about 20' from what I was told, I could not see it while ridding, also I liked riding the bike better than a snowmobile in the right snow, like the heavy snow ball making snow, the powder type snow sucks to ride in and would go out and half to turn around and go back in because the bike would just do donuts and hoping this is were the studs will help out I hope or hitting ice on plowed roads. Any help would be appreciated, but not the mental health type, I already know I am crazy. Mike | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Unfortunately the small front wheel sucks for anything but pavement, but it does have the room for a bigger tire. Rears are available, but none (I'm sure) will fit with the minimal clearance the swingarm gives. A good welder can move the shock mount and clear out an extra inch of room for you without much difficulty (swingarms do go up on e-bay, cheap). Otherwise I'd consider the 140 series Pirelli or Avon (or ?) and use a tread cutter to cut your own knobbies.I do not know if there are still tread cutters around. They used to be used often for off road racing such as rally cross, but tyres have come a long way in the last 20+ years negating its need for use. | ||
| Baggermike |
Thanks Gear Head, I ended up buying 100 X 90 dirt tires for front and rear, hopefully they will work out and fit with out mods and now got to get a variable speed drill so I can install the studs, I have seen tread cutters, but do not know were but know they are used on the tractor pulls tires, seen were the shock mount would hit the tire first and I am a welder so just need a good welder to do it and more, if I had a tig welder there is so much I could do with one. Thanks. Mike | ||
| Komonnawonnalaya |
quick side question will http://www.bikebandit.com/product/3422 these fit on my blast? pretty much my question is will any 120/80-16 fit the blast? | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Wow, hadnt seen them in the stock size. They should fit as any 120/80-16 motorcycle tire should fit. That looks like a front tire (the website was slow to respond)? Universal mount? Frankly I'd spend the extra $20 for a Pirelli or Avon as I doubt this would be a very good handling tire (but you never know). It may be hard enough for extended wear if thats important to you. (I'd never put a hard tire on the front though-not worth it). | ||
| Dankno |
Here's some tire math, Broke Blaster + Leaking rear tire = Gonna have to suck it up and try the Shinkos. I'd love to get my hands on the Pirellis but for half the cost it's alot easier to justify right now. Got a set in my cart as we speak, I'll let everyone know what I think when they get here and I get 'em spooned on. Can't be worse than mostly bald, leaky, decade old stock Dunflops right??? | ||
| Xgecko |
anyone see/use Shinko SR567/568 tires? saw them when I was price checking the Pirelli ST66 I have to order a new rear tire before months end | ||
| Monzaracer |
Last I heard, the Shinko wears so so, doesnt stick as well as others, just cheap. | ||
| Ezblast |
Actually - I just did a big search and check - not a half bad tire - about equal to the Avon at a lot less money, still the Pirelli ST66 would have almost double the mileage - so its probably a good tire for budget minded - but I wouldn't be afraid to ride it, just don't expect miracles. EZ | ||
| Ezblast |
Note: the Shinko tire is a Japanese brand made in S. Korea. EZ | ||
| Ezblast |
The Shinko will still be better than the Dunlops. Let us know what you think of them. EZ | ||
| Dankno |
I got a box, I got a box, I got a box, hay, hay, hay, hay!!!  Ok, first impressions: DAMN that 140/70 is big! Will let know how fitment goes as the even 110/70 front looks alot bigger than stock  While looking online, I was a little concerned about the center rib in the front, I was afraid they'd tramline like the Dunlops. Don't think it'll be a big deal now, the rib jumps back and forth over about half an inch. Hopefully they'll be pretty stable. I do feel somewhat reassured by the "S" speed rating and the fact that the load index is actually a little higher (65 rear, 52 front) meaning I can run a little lower air pressure if I want. Tread compound feels MUCH better than the old dunlops (how do you not see that coming eh?) It's pretty hard on the old stick your fingernail in it test, but running your hand over it there is quite a bit of grip there, on par with many high end car performance tires for autos I have encountered, reminds me alot of the Falken Azenis 615 for those who may have such experience. So in theory, they should work well when heated up and still give a somewhat decent treadlife. As far as tread design, they look like wet traction was a high design priority, with multiple deep groves front and rear, the very outside of which are staggered and should give a good compromise for wet/dry traction at high lean angles. I personally don't think they're the most aesthetically beautiful hoops available, but it does appear that at least some thought went into function. I'll post some comparo pics between the new Shinkos and the old Dunlops after I swap them over, as well as the long promised pics of how the bikes coming along (tried uploading the latest batch earlier and they're all grainy.) Also, after I burn off the mold release compound I'll get everyone a ride/performance review. I think tomorrow I'll be heading back to the old tire shop and swap them over, has anyone used a coats rimclamp automotive tire changer on the Blast! rim before. Years ago, me and a buddy did some 17" supermoto spoke rims for his CRF450 on one with out any trouble, I'm just paranoid now that it's my own stuff, LOL. I'm thinking of clamping the rim itself (brake rotor up) for the front and the belt sprocket (rim up) for the rear. Any thoughts or concerns? | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
They cant be any worse than the Dunlops! I have to say this: The front tire is one of the most important safety features on your bike. When you get some $$, please consider replacing it with a Pirelli or Avon. The Blast is notorious for locking up the front tire (and dumping the rider promptly on the asphalt). | ||
| Dankno |
Lol. Yeah, lets group all the cheap, questionable, Korean tires together. J/K! Very true words Erik. Really though, at this juncture I'm not too concerned about the tires performance, if the obnoxious squeaky noises they make on my garage floor (something new and exiting, never had THAT problem on the dunlops) are any indication they should be fine for a while. It's funny you mention locking the front wheel, I was reading in the archives about that today while waiting for my buddy at the tire shop to send his boss home. I have locked the rear countless times but never (KNOCK ON WOOD!!!) the front. But thank you for your concern and I will be cautious. Like everyone has agreed, I'm sure they're better than what was on. Which brings me to... Here are side by side pics of the old and new. Don't put too much worry into the apparent size difference, I was in a hurry and didn't spend the time to position the tires exactly, and the Dunlops shrunk considerably after removing them from the rims. The Fronts:  The Rears:  Please forgive the obscene chicken strips on the rear. The rubber on the old tires was so hard that getting the shoulders to wear at all was more like an amateur supermoto exhibition than an Moto GP event. Read: the harder you try, the further you slide, the harder it is to pull the seat out of your puckered bum... I probably went too far with that... Speaking of how old they were, the manufacturing week and year is stamped on every tire as the last for digits of what is called the DOT number. For Example: The OLD Front:  The OLD Rear:  Find the letters DOT on the tire and got to the last four numbers, the first two are the week and the last two are the last two digits of the year of manufacture. Ex. a tire made the 12th week of 2005 would read DOT XXX XXX 1205 Notice on the front there are only three digits, IT WAS MADE IN NINETEEN FREAKING NINE!!!! The Dept. of Transportation switched to a four digit system in 2000 for less confusion. All in all, I'm pretty happy with the new hoops. There were no fitment issues (didn't even have to beat on the shock mount to clear the rear) the beads seated quickly, and installing them onto the rims was drama free. I'm resisting the urge to take them out tonight, I don't think it's a good idea to take them out on cold, damp, asphalt in the middle of the night to break them in, so I'll know more tomorrow and will report back. Any words of wisdom or tricks for breaking in new tires? | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Sorry, non-sponsor post moved from view. Its not fair to the paying Badweb Sponsors to post advertising competing venders (though I'm sure everybody got the post in their inbox). Whenever you order from a Badweb sponsor dont forget to ask for a Badweb discount OR price match. (Message edited by gearheaderiko on February 11, 2010) | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
To clarify on the front wheel lock-up: Its not an inherent problem with normal riding. Unfortunately, since the Blast does have good brakes, it happens in the panic situations when somebody quickly grabs a handful of front brake to avoid a collision. The extra traction afforded by a good front tire may make the difference. Hard or greasy tires will send you down quickly. Not that you didnt know that, but this being the web, it wont take too long before its all over that the Blast easily and dangerously locks up the front wheel. Not true. The only difference between a lock up and a stoppie is traction! | ||
| Dankno |
Well said, we also wouldn't want any would be Blasters to be turned off to the Blast thinking they'll go down at every stop light. Which is why I brought it up in the first place, to give everyone an idea of what I'm transitioning from. But I am still getting the competitor's link. You're talking about the one from Nov 5, 2008, right? |
