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Reuel
Posted on Friday, September 12, 2008 - 05:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If your rears work, but your fronts don't, since they're both doing it at the same time, I'd suspect the ground connection. You most likely lost ground somewhere.

Don't go the resistor route. That's just a band-aid. You can use EZ's link above, or bring your blinker to your local auto parts store and ask for one just like it that specifies LED on it somewhere.
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Bzbuell
Posted on Friday, September 12, 2008 - 09:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

OK, thanks fellas. I think I'll drop by Advance Auto tomorrow and pick up a new flasher. I very much dislike diagnosing electrical problems, but I guess I can trace the ground wire fairly easily.

For a simple, 1-cylinder, carbureted, no-frills bike, I sure have spent a lot of time fixing sh*t on this sucker.
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Friday, September 12, 2008 - 11:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yeah, thats the way it goes. The further from stock you get, the more you're fixin' on it!
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Ezblast
Posted on Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 12:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

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Bzbuell
Posted on Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 08:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

lol ... Thanks for the sympathy, EZ! : )

Problem with the front turn signals wasn't the wiring - it was me. When I was checking the right-side signal, I reattached a stock turn signal to the front right side and turned on the right side signals. When checking the left side signals, I hooked up the stock signal to the wires on the left side. Stupid me. I discovered yesterday that the wires on the left side are the right turn signal and vice versa.

I bought a replacement flasher from Advance. They didn't have a listing for the stock one, so I just found a 3-prong electronic one that says it doesn't have the bulb-out/fast-flash indicator. Plan to try it out tomorrow.
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Bzbuell
Posted on Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 08:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

New topic: I found a small black box plugged in-line to a set of triangular 3-wire Deutsch connectors. It was tucked in the right side of the frame under the seat just beside the fuse box. The 3 wires are red/black/white, and I was unable to trace the factory wires as they're all wrapped in harnesses. The 3 numbers below are on the box, none of which are factory part numbers. Web searches resulted in no good results, except a search of TKV turned up a result under XB12's as a voltage regulator plug - sound right to you guys? Any idea what the intent may have been by installing this box?

003014306
107987
149-8217-000

(Message edited by BzBuell on September 14, 2008)
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 09:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Without checking, its probably the 'speedometer correction box' fitted to 2000 model year Blasts when they did the pulley recall.
I've never checked, but it may not be listed in the repair or parts manuals.
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Reuel
Posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 - 10:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What Erik said! They changed your pulley, so they stuck a box inline to correct the signal from the speedo.
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Bzbuell
Posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 - 09:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well, I happened to find a piece on eBay just like the one I'm talking about. It's listed as an ignitor, though ....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/02-BUELL-BLAST-IGNI TOR-CDI-UNIT-PARTS-STORE-B1_W0QQitemZ330271158661Q QcmdZViewItem?hash=item330271158661&_trkparms=39%3 A1%7C65%3A1%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245
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Reuel
Posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 - 09:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

They also have an intake boot listed as an intake manifold. That's a piece of rubber listed as a piece of metal. Someone doesn't know what he has.
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Bzbuell
Posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 - 09:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Point taken! Thanks again, guys.
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 - 10:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've bought stuff from him before and he usually (from what I remember) knows what he has. He's way off this time. Maybe a new employee?!
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Crackhead
Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 12:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Is the blast ignition single or dual fire?

i was thinking that if we have a dual fire ignition you could set a tach to single fire 2 cylinder. and it might work.

for the blast with dual fire there is a spark for power and exhaust stroke = 2 spark signals per cycle

for a normal 2 cylinder bike with single fire there is a spark per power stork - 2 sparks per cycle


I got the idea from the instructions to the autometer 19304 tach http://procycle.autometer.com/pdf/19304_instructio n.pdf
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Crackhead
Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 01:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

to further the topic on how about the jr. drag tachs? Are they on single cylinder B&S motors? How is their spark system sing or dual?
Autometer # 6652

http://www.autometer.com/download_instruction/435C .pdf
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 09:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The Blast is 'single fire' (spark only on power stroke). There isnt any reason for it not to be. The twins for a long time have been 'dual fire' or wasted spark, mostly because its just easier to add another notch in the timing cup (or 'cam lobe' in the case of points) and it uses less parts.
You can run a Blast 'dual fire' if you change the ignition module. Other wise the rev limiter will cut in at 3250 rpm. Because the Blast is single fire and the module reads that, it complicates ignition system modifications using twin parts. There are some aftermarket items available to 'trick' a tach into thinking it has dual fire when someone has converted to single fire.
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Ezblast
Posted on Friday, March 06, 2009 - 11:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Concur! Great job explaining that!
EZ
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Swampy
Posted on Sunday, April 05, 2009 - 12:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Big Kids Blast.....

No turn signals, I am lazy, My tools have been retrieved but are stored in an inconvenient storage locker 20+ miles away.

Where do I start? Move switch, no lights front, back, or either side or on the speedo.

Thanks
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Ezblast
Posted on Sunday, April 05, 2009 - 01:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Replace flasher.
EZ
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Swampy
Posted on Monday, April 06, 2009 - 12:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thank you very much!

You know, its snowing here....but I am still smiling, imagine that?
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Swampy
Posted on Monday, April 06, 2009 - 12:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

SEE?

Can you find the lone jogger in the picture?

sno


so


It will be gone tomorrow....till next season
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Ezblast
Posted on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 11:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A burden lifted will do that to you - keep smiling, it makes them wonder what your up to!
EZ
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Rabitt72
Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 09:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I need pictures of under the seat with the battery in and out
and of different angels please. I took the bike apart to paint and have it all hooked up except for a few ground wires. I want to be positive about where those negatives go :-)
thanks
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 01:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sorry, I havent any photo accessibility at the moment.

Anybody?
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Luvdathump
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 09:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

PM me I can send you some pics. They won't fit in the post.
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Bandito90
Posted on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 04:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Any body know how different the timing will be with B70 cams?IE:needs more advance or retard.I'm using the stock ignition box and am going to buy a tach to do the timing correctly.Also have a 10:5.1 piston.
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 09:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If you're using the stock ignition I'd retard the timing a degree or two, but thats because of the 10.5 piston. Really though, you'll have to see how it runs and listen carefully for 'knock & ping'.
You'll probably need the cold spark plug too.

Related questions:
Do you now have good compression? How much psi? Are you using a 515 or stock overbore (.010,.015,.020,.030 etc.)?
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Bandito90
Posted on Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 12:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm using the stock with .015 overbore and I have around 210 psi compression.
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 01:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


Concur with what I previously wrote then. Listen for knock and ping, check the plug regularly.
I assume it starts and runs fine without the B70's? You may need a richer jetting, you may need leaner (I'm betting richer). I'm only running the B50's with the Blast piston and the stock XB cams I'm running with the 'race' engine, although close to the B70's, is with running with the XB head and piston, so I cant get you close. EZ has a 'special' carb set up, so his jetting with the B70's will be lean.
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 01:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

PS COLD spark plug.
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Bandito90
Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 02:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks,I'll try to pick a few of the colder plugs.I'm waiting for a tach to come in the mail to better set the timing.Also still working with the jetting.
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