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Chiznoca
Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 05:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks Britchri10... I looked at the Jardine RT1 as well... I see now that aftermarket pipe is the way to go! Be it V&H or Jardine!
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Britchri10
Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 05:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Chiznoca: Sorry, forgot to say, "welcome to the site". As you are in "Hotlanta" we are almost neighbors! If you ever get as far as the 1st Coast give me a yell and we can tell lies to each other about our motorcycling experiences.

Later,

Chris C
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Kenster32
Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 06:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i have the Jardine RT1 (really opened it up)
what can you say about the quite core?
does it change any thing other than sound?

ken
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Britchri10
Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 07:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It chokes the exhaust a little. However, it knocks c5-8 decibels off the departure sound I seem to make circa 0530 in the AM which keeps the anally retentive residents association off my back. I have rejetted to 45/175. I weigh 195 Lbs w/o gear on and the bike will reach 90-95 w/o too much trouble. Off the mark speed is greatly increased. I rarely take the bike above 70-80. Acceleration is good for a 500. The pipe, the rejet and the fact I am using Thumpe's aftermarket air filter really makes it a great ride. More power, same handling. The QMI works for me. However, I may just appease the residents assoc' for another six months, then remove it and see if any of the old farts in the subdivision notice.
It's a great "pipe" and I am very pleased with the overall increase in acceleration etc'

Chris C
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Robi
Posted on Friday, July 31, 2009 - 07:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I snapped the exhaust port stud. It snapped flush with the head. It seems I can replace this by looking at the parts diagram, but I cannot find any instructions how to in the service manual. The manual is in PDF, when I search by term "exhaust port stud" I find only one notation of it in the diagram on 3-25.
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Ezblast
Posted on Friday, July 31, 2009 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

is there enough space to dremel a slot onto it? If not its easy out time. Take it slow, when extracting it.
EZ
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Robi
Posted on Friday, July 31, 2009 - 11:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Might be. I'll have to look. If EZ out, neighbor has a tool. I hear the tricky part is drilling.
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Friday, July 31, 2009 - 08:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

-The tricky part is not having the ez-out break.
You only get one shot with an ez-out. It either works or it breaks and you're taking the head off and bringing it to a machine shop. Watch e-bay and you'll see these fubar'd heads for sale regularly.
Better options (besides the dremel idea):
Weld a nut to the broken stud, then unscrew it.
Use left handed drill bits. At least they will be turning in the direction of removal and if it catches, it may just back the stud out. If you can also find left handed bolts and taps you are in better shape.You also have a much better chance of getting a broken drill bit out than you do an ez-out.
Drill and tap the stud for a slightly smaller bolt. Run the bolt in with red (or green) Loctite. Let it sit over night, then remove the stud. If that breaks you can still drill it out (you cannot drill out an ez-out).
Back the stud out with a hammer and punch.
Or?

EZ has had a lot of experience with ez-outs. For him they work.
Sometimes ez-outs work. I've found that in these cases the bolt could've just as easily been backed out with the dremel or punch method.

Your choice, you've been warned.
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Luvdathump
Posted on Saturday, August 01, 2009 - 03:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If a EZ out or drill bit breaks off in the hole. Smack it with a hammer and punch and dig out all of the bits. They are heat treated and usually brittle. Then I usually drill a bigger size and try again.
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Robi
Posted on Saturday, August 01, 2009 - 02:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

ez-out broke. tried the dremmel first, but wouldn't budge. then the ez broke.

I have some penetrating spray sitting on it. there might be just enough for a vice grip.

I like the welding idea. need to get the bike to the welder. would it be a bad idea to put the exhaust on w/ just the one bolt to ride it to the welder? (about 20 miles or so).
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Ezblast
Posted on Saturday, August 01, 2009 - 05:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Go for the vice grips first - it has usually worked for me - go slow, if you get to a stiff part, back up a tad then thread back out slowly, the factory studs have special breaks built into the threads,thats where the weird stiff part of the un-threading happens and usually where an ez-out will break if drill ran. I had a lot of practice with bolts like that in the Navy Engine/Boiler rooms, half of them rusting away.
EZ
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Robi
Posted on Saturday, August 01, 2009 - 05:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

thanks everyone. I'm going to give it a go after a few days of penetrating spray (and family get together).

Lesson to everyone, learn from me: don't be so anxious to ride. Take your time, read this site, then do the work. Otherwise, you end up not riding for even longer.
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Ezblast
Posted on Saturday, August 01, 2009 - 05:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Wise words - Concur!
EZ
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Garlic_sauce
Posted on Saturday, August 01, 2009 - 05:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Agreed.
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Saturday, August 01, 2009 - 08:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Riding to a welder with that anchor being held on by one bolt is a probably bad idea. The other bolt might break: ( If you had just a headpipe, then I might do it.
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Luvdathump
Posted on Sunday, August 02, 2009 - 12:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The stud being broke off flush with the head and a hole drilled in it there not much a welder can do. To weld a nut on the stud and back it out he needs at least a 1/4 of an inch of the stud still sticking out. How center is the hole you drilled in the stud? As a last resort drill your hole to 1/4" and use a 5/16" 18 tap and retap the hole.

Note this will only work if the hole you drilled is PERFECTLY centered, and not recommended for the novice.
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Firen
Posted on Sunday, August 02, 2009 - 12:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey I'm new here : )

I'm currently looking at getting a Jardine Exhaust. Where can I get one for a good price? I've heard it's around $199, but the cheapest price I can find online is about 300.
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Monday, August 03, 2009 - 09:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

E-bay for a good price on a Jardine. V & H can be had for about $200, Jardine's will be closer to $300 (for a good price).
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Monday, August 03, 2009 - 09:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

PS Welcome to Badweb!
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Robi
Posted on Friday, August 07, 2009 - 06:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Looks like I'm replacing the head. Vice grip won't grab. Dremeled again, with a week's worth of penetrating spray about 2 times a day. Wont' budge. Eating up what's left with the screw driver.

I'll do some badweb searching on this next project. Most likely I'm not riding until next year. Next semester starts in 2 wks, vacation in 1 week. Have to do all my first week's reading by then.
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Robi
Posted on Friday, August 07, 2009 - 06:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well, I guess I haven't tried a machine shop yet. I put a few calls in.

This is beyond my level of mechanical finesse.

Will keep you posted.
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Ezblast
Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2009 - 01:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Drill it out - with a slow and steady hand.
EZ
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Robi
Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2009 - 09:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

How do you do that?

With a small bit and a small screw driver to chip fragments out as you go?
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Ezblast
Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2009 - 03:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yes Keep the small bit in the center, then slowly widen the hole. - it will break apart, slowly spray oil in and run a tap slowly to clean the threads.
EZ
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Crackhead
Posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 07:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What size is the forward mounting bolt for the muffler?
I just noticed that mine was missing on the ride home last night.
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Ezblast
Posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 11:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Its in the back section of the parts manual - see my yahoo group for specs in the file section.
EZ
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Crackhead
Posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 12:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks EZ
it is 5/16-18 x2
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Milt
Posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 10:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Robi and others who may need to drill in tight spaces,

This drill is great for getting into hard to reach places - like, for example, if you had to drill out 4 out of 7 bolts that hold the rocker box on. Don't ask me how I know.


http://www.tightfittools.com/riganat.html
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 10:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Nice!
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 11:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Cross referenced here under tools:
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/201 64/309879.html?1249959553
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