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Gearheaderiko
| | Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2008 - 03:21 am: | 
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 With sincere apologies to EzBlast.
Tsunamix-no offense-but DONT screw it up. With an EZ-out you get ONE chance. Break the EZ-out and YOU'RE DONE.
EZ-out. The last bastion of hope for the desperate.
A left handed drill is better. Drilling and tapping for a left handed bolt-better still. Slowly, painstakingly,carefully, drill it out with bigger and bigger drill bits (start 1/16") till the threads fall out. Tap it out with a chisel. Pull the head off and take it to a machine shop. Or any one of the other suggestions I'm sure at least Swampy has.
Now you know why the bracket says "Do Not Remove".
Sorry for the rant. (not really-Easyouts for those that can and dare to use them) |
Berkshire
| | Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2008 - 04:29 am: |
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"front bottom one" - sounds like the lower link...? |
Tsunamix
| | Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 04:16 pm: |
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i didn't use an ez-out but some other brand of screw extractor. unexpectedly, yeah, the thing broke inside of the screw. i guess i should've just kept on drilling. what made me mad too was it broke after two hammer taps.
Do I have any other options? Bring to a shop or keep on drilling?
and yeah, it's the lower link. think i can ride it to a shop that can help? Machine shop?
(Message edited by tsunamix on August 03, 2008) |
Fast1075
| | Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 04:29 pm: |
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Call every machine shop you can find until you find one with an "EDM" machine...you will need to remove the head to have it worked on...but thats your best bet right now IF the screw extractor you broke is a good quality hardened one, you cant drill it.... |
Tsunamix
| | Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 05:17 pm: |
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i wish it were on the head, but it's on the bottom. i'd have to remove the whole engine.
if it broke in just two light hammer taps, i doubt it's that great a quality. made by black & decker |
Swampy
| | Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 05:56 pm: |
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Is your whole well centered?
You may be able to find womeone who could weld a nut onto the remainder of the broken bolt, and then while it is cooling melt some bee's wax on it and then try to remove it. |
Gearheaderiko
| | Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 07:49 pm: |
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"Or any one of the other suggestions I'm sure at least Swampy has. "
"two light hammer taps"?Easy outs are extremely brittle and break easily-as you found out
I would now seek professional help as if you mess it up further, you'll need a new case
$$$.
Fortunately, I think you live in a well populated area, not far from EZ (relatively speaking-he may know someone). You'll more than likely have too make quite a few phone calls and be prepared to drive a distance and leave the bike. This isnt 'gravy work'. Dont try to talk someone into trying it (its not a problem for them if they screw it up-there'll be NO guarantees). Be clear on what the problem is. There are guys who are really good at this sort of thing, the battle is finding them.
Good Luck. |
Tsunamix
| | Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 08:25 pm: |
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I'm best known to my friends as a fighter that never quits, not until the bitter end, so I chose the grim reaper icon. (i like that one, btw)
I wanted to use the tap handle I bought, but it was just a tad small, so after 5+ hours of drilling, struggling, and unscrewing, I got myself a lil souvenir:
Casualties:
3 1/16" drill bits
1 chisel punch
1 screw extractor (but I got my $9 back at Home Depot)
I even found a brand new spare to replace this. Gonna double check tomorrow for any thread damage on the inside, but either way, I'll be riding around most of the week.
Thanks again guys, feels good to be in this community ^^
(Message edited by tsunamix on August 03, 2008)
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Ezblast
| | Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 09:11 pm: |
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I said said slow and easy - I ment using a hand drill to start the hole then slowly twist it in and then by hand slowly twist out, its good to see it worked out in the end, patience has always been the secret to getting it done - if part of a bolt is actually sticking out of the hole - I just heat it to burn the locktite, vice grip it and slowly ease it out. Erik your way may bugger the threads and is the last resort if you break the easy out - just be prepared to use more than one carbide bit.
EZ |
Gearheaderiko
| | Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 09:52 pm: |
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"Erik your way may bugger the threads and is the last resort if you break the easy out - just be prepared to use more than one carbide bit. " My way? Seek professional help? I left it open to suggestion as I dont believe everybody has my capability or tools and my ways arent the only ways or suit all people.
Once you break an easy out, there isnt much most can do. All the ways I know to get an easy-out out, should be tried before using an easy out! Every case is different and thats how I deal with them, but I've yet to find a situation where an easy out was the only or best solution.
Tsunamix didnt say what he used to get the bolt and easy-out out, but it sounds as if he didnt need the easy out in the first place!
Again, easy-outs are a bad idea and it did exactly as I said it would... it broke!
"Easyouts for those that can and dare to use them". You use them successfully as I'm sure others do to (otherwise they wouldnt keep selling). But I've seen them be the end of the road for many people when there were much less final options (or options that they ended up using to get the Easy-out out anyway). |
Ezblast
| | Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 10:27 pm: |
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I have also, and one failed me once and I had to drill it out - slow business - usually they fail because folks rush through the job, this is one time where being slow usually pays off. I didn't mean you personally - just drilling a bolt out as a technique - all the bolts where old on the old carrier I worked on in the Navy in the main engine room - it became second nature to easy out a bolt, run a spec tap to check threads and then add a new bolt - which would age quickly due to the extra hot humid climate, steam and salt water - lol - a never ending story - didn't mean to offend.
EZ |
Tsunamix
| | Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 10:29 pm: |
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oops, i left that part out about how it worked.
I noticed the ezout was broken deep enough, so I drilled out two gaps on opposite sides, then used a flathead to turn it out.
The drilling was the hardest part, consumed three bits and most of the time I spent trying to get it out, but it did. hehe. |
Ezblast
| | Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 10:34 pm: |
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