| Author | Message | ||
     Rebelgtp |
i'm with ez on this one you can get the power from a blast motor you just have to look in the right places. he is right about the aermacchi motors to. you can get that kind of power from those and guess what? they are aircooled, 4 stroke, pushrod motors! my current build on the 250 motor that is going together will be good for about 40hp. they have these motors up to 75hp or so in 500cc configs. you can get mass power from a 350 chevy motor and that is pushrod. hell if you want some real power from a blast motor look at the valve train setups on a chevy nascar engine, you will find a couple interesting features in the valve train that we could addapt to our bikes to assist those pushrods. as for the rotax motor harley has only built one bike with that motor and it was again basicly a bike they bought from another company. it was the mt500 that was a military bike, the funny thing is even though it had a rotax it was tuned down just like a blast motor to about the same power range as our beloved blast. its been proven by a few people in here that you can get some really good power from a stock displacement blast, and some have some land sped records to prove it. | ||
| Fssnoc2501 |
Yo guys, I think you are missing the point. It's possible to get the power that's not the issue. The issue is that the Blast engine needs to lose at least 50-75 lbs to be competative against the current short-track motors. Let's face it have a great single, but it's based on a lower end made for a twin. The motors it competes against weigh anywhere from 75-100 pounds complete. Let's just face facts unless the Blast motor is put on a serious diet it just won't be competative on the short track. Sorry guys, Ray | ||
| Ezblast |
surely there are ways to cut weight in other areas as well - I was told that I would never be able to bring my my bikes weight down - you even joked about it - yet at the pallet scale I came in at 323lbs and I know if I go to a S1 tail and a different sub frame I'll probably loose 10 to 20 more lbs - just by my own replacing of heavier bits with lighter - surely the tech.s out there - Spondon makes a damn stiff custom frame for bikes that weighs in between 50 and 70 lbs - surely the factory and others could duplicate such efforts - and that would be triming 120 lbs right there - please weight is an issue that Nasa solved long ago and so much tech is out there now solving such issues I really can't believe that to be a real issue - I figure its laziness on the Factory's part not wanting to put any real effort behind their mouths - a usual HD practice. May not be the popular view but then I've never tried to be popular;0) - sorry Ray - but for this same reason that is why such pioneers such as yourself and Nallin, Team Elves and others are more appreciated - if the factory won't do it - then it is the heros such as yourselves and others who must shoulder this heroic task of competition and it galls me because while the factory is willing to pay countless millions for advertising the least they could do is show recognition for those willing to put their product on the line in competition and win occassionally! Don't get me started - I hate quitters and when HD quit racing they lost a lot of points in my book all dirt tracking aside. Got Thump?! Just Blasting on the Dark side! EZ  | ||
| Fssnoc2501 |
EZ (I feel your pain), There is nothing more that I love to see than the Blast to become competative in short track racing even better under the Buell banner not H-D's. The chassis across the board are fairly equal as most use a C&J or simular. The problem lies in the lower end of the motor which in terms of short track is massive. The first thing would be to seriously lighten the crank allowing for quicker revs out of the corner (when I say lighten I mean better than half needs to go away. The those huge engine cases need to not only be lighter but trimmed down there is much to much mass there than is needed. Lighter clutch, primary and transmission is also in order. This creates two problems one it would no longer be the Blast you and I ride and two the weak link in longevity which is very important in features will be the valve train because of the faster and higher revs. The aeromacchi's used to have the same problem with the valve train in those very high HP motors. Like I said it is something I would like to see happen but don't see in the forseeable future. So for now I can only hope to make all of us faithful Blastards proud with my effort. Ray | ||
| Ezblast |
I know you will Ray! - Still like a dog with a bone - still the crank part could be solved with the XB12 sent to someone as reputable as Pauter (there are others but he is the best and a Californian;0))Who knows their way around custom race cranks - S&S would also be a second option, case lightning could be done if the Factory would give out such specs - not likely - lol - if its racing I expect clutch and other changes as well - It doesn't have to be the Blast I ride - just having some common stuff like any street replica vs real racer would have in common with the usual racing upgrades coming down the line in time (and more profit for the factory) - hell we wouldn't be asking for a Blitzkrieg of wins just enough to show we can compete would be satisfaction in the offing, and the fact that we are not afraid of competition - as the VW's actually winning a few rallies and what that kind of publicity did for sales and customer opinion of their product. Sigh - I suppose Erik doesn't even read this section - still if your listening - it can be done! There could be some real fun on the street and track if Buell were to show some interest - I'm sure he could figure one mean single and sell it twice as well as Ducati - lol - to dream! Got Thump?! Just Blasting on the Dark side! EZ  edited by ezblast on September 01, 2003 | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Just for the record,Yes it would be wonderful to use a real HD motor,I'm all for it.I can bench race too, but how long has it taken Ray & Nallin & others to get competitive performance out of the Blast engine? If you're on a budget (as most new racers are) you're going to go with whats available and proven. Takes time & money to race different. HD could(or should) have pulled off the front or rear cylinder a long time ago (1st Sporty engine in 1954?!).HD makes their money on large displacement bikes and thats where the money goes first.I'm glad that they got buell, so at least they are building fast bikes again.Yeah, when I found out the 500cc racers were Rotax powered, was (almost) like when I found out John Deere was using Kawasaki engines in their tractors! I'm dreaming with you EZ! | ||
| Ezblast |
Yea Ralph - neither will the VW Type 1, neither will that small block chevy 350 - oops - today both are capable of over 800 hp - lol - I'd say your wrong and that the only reason they don't compete is that they don't want to take the time and money to compete. The usual HD style is talk a lot of shit and then walk away. Anything can be made competitive if people are willing to support the cause to make it competitive - Ralph - you missed the point! Got Thump?! Just Blasting on the Dark side! EZ | ||
| Ezblast |
You bet Ralph! I figure as long as it makes it through the race all is good! Your only as good as your last race - as the old saying goes - Racing and street riding motorcycles are two different things entirely. I want them to get serious in their racing endevours and use that hi-tech thats out there - not just rely on the same stuff thats been around for a 100 yrs. I never expect my street blast to be the same as a racer - I'd just like them to make a real effort instead of the basic headwork, ignition and piston swapout practice they know so well - Ray's pushing 50 hp out of his and he did'nt have to resort to 15:1 comp. pistons - the factory does to get those same numbers - that shows laziness to me. Any motor can be made competitive if the people behind it trully want to compete. Design age has little to do with it as Porshe has always proven. As usual the easy way is to write a check for a different bike, lol, But if your the maker of the bike and you actually have faith in the product then you should be using your time racing it to improve the breed, and to win! And encouraging others to do the same. The rest I already covered in past posts that I guess you missed or you would know that I'm all for hi tech - lol - Got Thump?! Just Blasting on the Dark side! EZ  | ||
| Ezblast |
Ralph - check my Pauter link and be amazed at the power he pumps out of VW racing engines - lol - Formula one cars are usually good for 5 races before rebuild, Nascars are also good for 2 to 5 races before rebuild. As usual your not reading my full posting or you would know that that is the Factory's number given on compression in an interview with their Dirttrack head racing engineer who's name escapes me - but he's been around forever. You saw the same article but must have missed that as well because we talked about all those bikes lined up in the garage - practically a history for the eyes - lol - I don't take it seriously at all on the level you are thinking - on that level the only thing I take seriously is my wife , my job, and my riding! Read your own posts - your the one stressing - lol - as for the Porshe blurp - I was referring how far they have taken the design not that it was still the same - lol - I agree also HD is a pussy when it comes to reality and racing - its what Buell is saddled with, however, I still contend that any motor can be made competitive - including the Blast! Thats what new tech is all about - improvements! As for Ray's compression - you want to take bets? I figure he wants to ride it on the street when he's done - so max safe would top at 12:1(and thats really pushing it!) but I'm betting either 11 or 11.5:1 is where its at! Still - knowing the genius of Nallin it could be a 10.5:1. Geez the only other bikes I've ridden have been - a Ducatti 750 and a couple of Dyna's, a Ninja 250, and the 883 sportster - all allowed by friends who wanted to see the difference in what a modified Blast can do - lol - the Duc was ok but the big bikes inc. the small sportster are just heavy lumps in my book - I do ride a real bike regularly - its called a Blast - maybe you've heard of it? It has a group I could send you a link to - I'm sure they would all be happy to hear that their leader doesn't think the bike they ride is a real motorcycle - in other words - your just being silly - lol - Got ya bro!;0) Got Thump!? Just Blasting on the Dark side! EZ | ||
| Ezblast |
And since we are PSing - my Blast is faster than your Blast - nya nya -  I got BlastVader Thump! - lol - Got Thump?! Just Blasting on the Dark side! EZ  | ||
| Fssnoc2501 |
Ralph, Bite me. You continually remind me that you are a mean nasty creation of nature that needs to get a life. I have said simular things about racing the Blast to EZ, but never with the outright venom that you show. Unless you forget, my opinion of you has been in question for quite awhile. I know that you and EZ say that you understand each other, but the context of your messages just plain offends me. As for not getting alot of riding time because of my salt effort, what damn business is it of yours. In the future if you want to not offend me leave me out of your damn posts. As for EZ, he is just as passionate as you but does not go out of his way to offend everyone he converses with. Ray edited by fssnoc2501 on September 02, 2003 | ||
| Ezblast |
Heck Ray - I'd talk with the Devil em self if it was about Blasts and I thought I could learn something - lol - I always tell Ralph he needs to ride more and work that stress out - he's too easy to PO - lol - thanks for watching my back though Ray - this is my favorite hobby and I'm learning more as I go along. I figure that even if I get the XB12R BG - the Blast will always be my main trans and hobby - much more practical for the streets of SF and to tinker with and modify (I would'nt touch a thing besides the seat on the XB - my idea of a long distance bike;0) - it's just too purty as is - lol)and besides - even stock the Blast is just too much fun! Got Thump?! Just Blasting on the Dark side! EZ  edited by ezblast on September 03, 2003 | ||
| Fssnoc2501 |
EZ, I agree that active conversation about our favorite thumper is not only fun but educational. You and I have had many lively conversations in this forum. The big difference is we although lively are respectful making the debate constructive. Ralph on the other hand is just plain mean, going out of his way to be antagonistic, and portrays himself in cyberspace as a bitter hateful individual. I worked as a paramedic for a couple of decades where it was my job to deal daily with that sort of person it is now my choice to tell those that I can to just go away. Life is way too short to have to live with the frustration that that type of individual wants to create. Ralph just ain't worth it and I refuse to deal any further with the hateful little shit. Ray | ||
| Sarodude |
So, uh, Ray, how do you REALLY feel about Ralph? On a lighter note, your LSR bike REALLY looks spankingly dandylicious. Very, very, VERY nice. Ralph - take it a little easy, man. EZ's only fault is that he's wonderfully enthusiastic. I don't have numbers to back it up, but his enthusiasm (and work, no doubt) seems to have really caused an increase in activity in the Thumper forums. You're mostly correct in your points above. However, your delivery may turn people away from what would otherwise have been useful, desirable info. The bolt stuff has to go too. Makes it seem like what you have to say significantly outvalues what others are saying - and that's a turn off. -Saro} | ||
| Spooky |
Here is the list and a price for the engine I'm selling. 1. Factory race block with Millennium cylinder and a 12:1 piston ( all new never has been ran ) 2. Red Shift 585 cams Red Shift 567 cams Both cams ran on dyno once 3. Crane Cams roller rocker arms. (new) 4. Blast clutch hub with clutch plates and spring, charging rotor and primary chain XL clutch hub with clutch plates and spring 5. Prototype Force exhaust 6. Gear cover (cams) 7. odds and ends $3000, OBO Eric  | ||
| Blastoholic |
Dear Ray, thanks for voicing your opinion of me. I'll take your advice and leave you out (after this) of any and ALL my posts. Sorry to break your concentration on the Salt with my posting here. In all sincerity, I wish you the best of luck on the Salt, I know it's been a lifelong dream of yours. edited by Blastoholic aka Ralphthe 3rd on September 04, 2003 | ||
| Fssnoc2501 |
Saro, Thanks man, it has been a real labor, but one of love. I only hope that one it doesn't rain in Utah, and that it all hold together. All other Thumper section folks, Sorry about the tirade, but if you want to get me passionate about something exhibit meanness. There is no excuse for that sort of behavior in any context. I've worked in the medical field for 25+ years and have seen the effects of mean behavior and it is never good. My goal as a member of this board is never to portray that I'm better than anyone else, in fact nothing that I've done or had done to my Blast is something that anyone here cannot do himself. I offer advise, free advise at that, and in doing so you that accept that advise need to consider it's worth. I try not to mislead anyone with my posts and feel that each one is carefully thought out and based on fact as I know it. Again, I apologize to anyone offended by my recent posts, but I stand by my feelings. Ray | ||
| Ezblast |
Its cool Ray! Don't ever sweat this stuff - you just keep your eye on the salt and know that all of us are pulling for ya bro! - GT - JBOTDS! EZ  | ||
| Fssnoc2501 |
Fellow Blasters, A question has been posed to me related to the sidecar on my Blast, and what its purpose is? This was asked offline, but I thought that this was a better place to answer it as a few of you might be interested in the answer. I have several wonderful memories of my fathers old 74ci H-D with a side hack which relate to him getting DQ'd at a race wheelie contest when the promoters forgot that the rules should state the rider that keeps the "Front" wheel aloft the farthest not what was told at the pit shack that you had to keep "a" wheel aloft. Dad was pretty good at keeping that side hack aloft, but the effort was just in fun. Also a poker run in which when the bottom fell out of the sky I found as I was riding in the hack that it was water tight and soon was doing the breast stroke while traveling down the highway. These along with other memories started my fascination with sidecars. When Dad & I started to consider this effort to go to Bonnevile we carefully read the rule book and looked through the (at that time) present records. What we soon found was that the sidecar records for the Blast were wide open. So we started the project with Dad building and designing the sidecar with design assistance from me on the mounting (which required alot of thinking out of the box), my job in this project has been improving the performance of the bike. The first attempts when we go to the salt will be with the sidecar if time allows we take it off and see how she does. Ray | ||
| Ezblast |
Cool stuff! Don't forget your Margaritas for all that salt - lol - sounds like your totally hyped and ready to go! Have fun Ray! Best of Luck from all of us! Say hi to everyone and keep us posted!  Got Thump?! Just Blasting on the Dark side! EZ  | ||
| Ezblast |
I won't mention any names but I see someone doesn't have faith in what or how they say things and has pulled their posts - typical - of course I stand by mine - right and wrong (you should read some of my comments I've added to my first posts - long ago and far away - explaining how I was wrong - lol). In any learning experience your bound to be wrong sooner or later thats how you learn and grow - lol - Its always been how one deals with the knowledge one has been given that shows growth. Well - no skin off my nose - anyone reading will be able to figure out what and how this person responded to this board just by reading the other commentaries and responses he evoked - pretty cowardly not to stand by your words though. Now enough of this silliness! James is back! I can't wait to hear what he has to say about his adventure - if he posts elsewhere - I will link it to here! Welcome back bro! Got Thump?! Just Blasting on the Dark side! EZ | ||
| Newblaster |
You know, when I read his posts, I thought I smelled a troll.... Now he pulled them, and the scent is just stronger.... Oh, well. Ray--Just wanted to say, good luck on the salt. I know it's still a couple weeks away, but I figure you'll be busier and busier as it approaches. Hope you have a great time, and bring home a record or two! Like EZ said, keep us posted. Scott | ||
| Jprovo |
Details of my trip are in the Tale Section. James | ||
| Ezblast |
For those who have a hard time navigating http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/6817/35731.html?1062719603 Great Tale James! I knew you'd be flying on her on the way back - yea Colorado is Beautiful with a ton of twisty roads to explore - still with the Anniversary looming I know you didn't have the time to stop and smell the roses - lol - Great job on the ride though - you've made us all proud! Got Thump?!(James has long distance Thump!) Just Blasting on the Dark side! EZ  | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Thanks,Ray!Dad still ride? Erik | ||
| Fssnoc2501 |
Erik, As a matter of fact, yes, he has a 2000 Blast and as well as mom still rides also wheeling a Honda Helix. The Helix is an amazing bike for a scooter on steroids. They both peruse this board daily they just aren't as outspoken as their offspring. They are both going to Bonneville as more pitcrew for the effort on the salt, as this project has been a joint effort between Dad & I from square one. The only part of the German Family not going is my wife and oldest daughter, although they insisted that I buy an additional cell phone so I can keep them updated on all of the activity. Ray | ||
| Ezblast |
Well then - a big Howdy to all Rays family! And another one for any other lurkers (hate that name wish there was another phrase) out there enjoying the fruits of what our humble board has to offer! If you ever have a question about our favorite topic just give a holler - I'm sure someone can answer it and you just might make a few friends along the way! Welcome! Got Thump?! Just Blasting on the Dark side! EZ  | ||
| Sarodude |
Hey Ray- All I gotta say is that you are SO lucky to have those types of memories with your dad. My dad is the greatest. Really. This guy had a stroke when I was 2 and lost most of the use of his left side. His age and the stroke have conspired against him in many ways. It literally takes multiple minutes for him to walk down the hall. Despite this, when he sees that I'm slaving away in the garage he shows up and asks if he can help. Sometimes I have him hold something. Sometimes I ask for a glass of water. Anything to get him involved in any way - 'cause that's what he wants. I was just never able to play catch with him. He couldn't teach me to ride a bicycle. He couldn't help me with my model planes, racing, music, whatever. He did, however, teach me English (in Iran! talk about a guy getting laughed at) and taught me to read & write at a very early age. He gave me the tools to learn how to do the things I had to teach myself. I still wish I coulda ridden with him on the back of his Lambretta. -Saro | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Wow,I'm touched.While I didn't have the dad Ray has, he did keep a full tool box unlocked for my access.Saro, I'm glad you can appreciate your dad, he's obviously taught you well. The time is short.(Mine has been 'gone' 4 years now) | ||
| Fssnoc2501 |
Dads are special whatever they may do. This covers the majority since there are a few that need to remember that fatherhood is a job that requires learning and work (I'm talking about the few abusive bastards that exist). My dad is by no ways perfect, but he tried real hard to give me the upbringing that he felt was important. He worked his ass off all his life to provide for me and involved me in as many experiences that he could. His efforts and involving me in his endeavors has created the man (me) who now has the job of raising children. This is why I'm taking my youngest to the salt as the experience should be wonderful for her. The people she will meet and the sites that she will see will create memories that will last a lifetime. Thanks Dad for giving the tools to be a dad myself. The favorite words I heard from my dad and grandfather were "Boy, your education ain't complete" as they proceeded to further that education in issues that I've taken with me to this day. The funny thing is that I find myself telling my daughters the same thing. Ray |
