| Author | Message | ||
     Ezblast |
Disco | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Swampy: Against my reluctance to start any new possibly redundant threads-Here ya go! | ||
| Swampy |
Sweet! That way if anyone has a question about a tire or what will fit, they can find it! | ||
| Mar_wilmington |
Will adding a viperstryke to the rear and leaving the front tire stock cause any handling/steering issues that I should know about? I figure the turn in will change just b/c of the profile of the viper's but is there anything else? | ||
| Ezblast |
you should be ok. GT - JBOTDS! EZ  | ||
| Mar_wilmington |
Thanks for the input. I really didn't want to have to do the front tire right now b/c it has plenty of trend left. Also since it looks like I'm going to have to pay Carolina Coastal HD $200+ to do a 5,ooo mile checkup before the end of the month. | ||
| Ezblast |
Don't do it - change the oil, adjust your primary, change out your primary oil, and if your clutch pull feels a bit stiff lately - lube the cable, adjust clutch while doing primary oil change - first time to do all this would be a pleasant afternoons work - and save over a 100 bucks and get better service. GT - JBOTDS! EZ | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Mar w: I concur with both EZ statements. Learn to do the maintenance/service yourself. The tools you'll need are less than the price of service. Taking the relatively cheap Blast to HD is like taking an old VW to a Porsche dealer. As far as the tire question the simple is no, however the bike may (probably) feel very different. If you are very aggressive cornering, it could be dangerous, average riding no. Some tires are not a good match for each other and can contribute to some very odd handling. If you've still got the Dunlop, I'd get rid of it asap. | ||
| Buuueller |
Thats true, just like any vehicle after a mod it may feel a bit different to you. Although youll prob get used to it. At least take it easy for a while until get used to any different handling characteristics. | ||
| Mar_wilmington |
Handling seems fine for now. Took her out to get used to the new characteristics and after a couple of hours was corning almost to the viper heads. The extra width of the viperstryke makes corning much smoother and now I don't get anywhere near as much wiggle when I hit those metal reflectors in the road at speed. @GearheadEriko ya thats the plan for the future atm it's a time issue. I only had enough time off to get the tire on this week. But I figure your right that it's less to just buy the tools. Does anyone have a short list of just the most minimal set of tools I need to do general maintenace (I don't want to buy a whole set of torx if I only need a few size). TiA | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Realizing that most non stock sized rear tires dont fit without swingarm modification (Avon 140 included), Pirelli makes several different 130 & 140 series scooter tires that would mount. Has anybody tired these? Mounting a Pirelli Diablo is more attractive to me than the Avon. (certainly much more attractive than a Kenda or Chen Shing) FWIW: although the skinny Blast tires feel twitchy on the street, that all but goes away when leaned over. Still would be nicer without the twitchyness though. | ||
| Djeroc |
hello all i just got a replacement rear tire i got the avon 120/80/16 vyperstrike and now im about to order a front tire i was gonna go with the vyper 100/80/16 but thought id check first to see what you guys would do i think i read that EZ said a larger tire would make for a easier ride but i cant find that info anymore on here so if you guys know..... thanx | ||
| Ezblast |
Go with the matching front - always - 100/80 would be what you want with that rear tire. EZ | ||
| Swampy |
Welcome Djeroc! Let us know how you like the Vyperstrykes in the stock size. Everybody has got them in the larger size front and rear. I am qurious if you get any better mileage from them. When you get the chance next time go with the larger Vyperstrike front and rear, but for this time do what Ezblast says. | ||
| Djeroc |
so get another 120/80/16? go with the 100 for the front im confused now | ||
| Ezblast |
go with the 100 for the front - the 140/70r&110/70f should only be used in combination with each other. EZ | ||
| Swampy |
What I am saying is if you are using the 120/80/16(Stock size rear) go with the 100/80/16 (Stock size front). Let us know how you like them because most people opt to use the larger 140/70/16 rear and larger 110/70/16 front when using the Avon Vyperstrykes. What you will be comparing for us out here in Badweb land is the stock Dunlop and the Avon Vyperstrykes in the stock size. Then when you wear out the stock sized Vyperstrykes you can replace them with the larger sized Vyperstrykes and make a comparison between the stock sized Vyperstrykes and the larger sized Vyperstrykes. | ||
| Xgecko |
speaking of which who's got the best price on the 140/70's I have to order one soon and have the local dealer spoon it on...this tire has lasted longer both in months and miles than any other tire I have used seriously I'm looking at 7k miles by the time I hit the wearbar | ||
| Djeroc |
ok I got u 100 is ordered and ill let everyone know soon heres where im ordering mine from: http://www.tiresunlimited.com/ALL%20TIRES/AVON/AVO N%20MC/avon_viper_stryke.htm i got my 120 for 70 delivered to my front door where a good place to order the front tire my source now is on back order | ||
| Swampy |
You could buy the front and rear in the larger size for around $114 from Chaparell last year, but I bet shipping has gone up. Xgecko, put that tire on yourself!~ Its almost as easy as a bicycle tire...... | ||
| Buuueller |
Heck yeah go here to see how: http://www.clarity.net/~adam/tire-changing.html If I remember right Chaparral sold me both for right at $100. I think shipping to Dallas was free too. | ||
| Djeroc |
dude im like so scared to d/l that pdf lol | ||
| Djeroc |
yeah...... im sticking to harley davidson service. at least if something falls off (like me) i can point a finger...(or whats left of a finger lol) | ||
| Totolandman |
Wanted to know if anyone can provide some insight with what tires to go with. EZ I know that you are a big supporter of the Avon Viper Stryke but I when I was looking in my Dennis Kirk catalog I also came across two other brands that are sized for the oversize front and rear tire. Here are the different tire manufacturers: Avon - AM63 Vipe Stryke Front - 110/70S-16 (S-rated to 112 mph) Rear - 140/70P-16 (P-rated to 93 mph) Pirelli Diablo Front - 110/70P-16 (P-rated to 93 mph) Rear - 140/70P-16 (P-rated to 93 mph) Kenda K671 Front - 110/70P-16 (P-rated to 93 mph) Rear - 140/70P-16 (P-rated to 93 mph) Right now I have the stock size Pirelli MT75's (Front 100/80-16 and Rear 120/80/16)which I have been riding with for about a 1000 miles. They are much better than the stock junk Dunlop tires and seem to be very sticky which I like. What I am reading is that by going with the larger front and rear tire it significantly improves the stability of the bike. I would like to improve the ride especially at highway speeds. I live in Maryland have unpredicable weather anymore and it would be nice to have a tire that I can count on in both wet and dry weather conditions. I want to make sure I have a tire that great dry and wet weather traction with superior stability and handling. Has anyone out there tried the Pirelli Diablo's or the Kenda K671's? Cheers, Robb (aka totolandman) | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Kenda wide rear reportedly has been changed and no longer fits the Blast and Kenda is a step down from the Pirellis and Avons (wouldnt run a Kenda on the front either). Wider tyres will definitely give you more stability. {however} It should be noted that wider tires are generally oversized for the Blast rim and you may suffer instability under hard cornering and braking (hard is relative on how good you are. For me it wouldnt make much difference. For others it could be injurious). Oversized tires also tend not to grip as well in the rain (that whole PSI is less due to increased contact area). This is theory and is relative to the rider and I trust the input of at least EZ and Swampy on the wide Viper Strykes. Personally, I've been dying to try out the new Pirelli Diablos (which are a great tire in mc sizes), I've just got too many MT75s sitting around to warrant spending the money. I also thought the Diablo's had a higher speed rating. Bigger tyres can also give a harsher ride and slow the bike down. Some websites will actually give tyre weight, which would be helpful in determining ride quality. I seriously doubt switching from your current MT75s will gain any stability at highway speeds. I (and others) have had them at over 100mph with nary a hint of instability (far cry from the Dunlops). Spend some time on your suspension, that will pay great dividends. (Message edited by gearheaderiko on March 16, 2008) | ||
| Totolandman |
Just looked on www.pirellityre.com to check what other tire designs they have in the oversize tire fitment and there is another type other than the Diablo scooter and that is the GTS 23/GTS 24. I looks like a pretty awesome tread design and I like the raised white letters as well. So are you suggesting that I stick with the stock tire size? Is that what you did? Let me know.... Gearheaderiko what can I do on my suspension? I have a fork mounted adjustable steering dampener that I just had installed. Cheers, Robb | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Stick with the Diablo's (if you change). The others look cool (if looks is what you what), but from what I remember, they dont compare with the Diablos in performance. The MT 75s are the best performance tires you can get for the Blast. I'm sure the Avons come close and probably last longer. Keep them till they wear out, then try something else. As far as the suspension, you can read in the suspension thread (or search) what others have done. Shim the fork springs and change the fork oil weight. Shim the rear shock (if necessary). Add a fork brace. How much you shimming will depend on the SAG measurements you take. 1" in the front and 1/4" (=1") in the rear is average. But this will depend on your weight, seat choice, how much your suspension is worn and personal preference(I dont use a shim in the rear. With the low seat and my weight, shimming was too stiff). If you've got the cash you can buy a performance rear shock and performance front springs and valves. I'd go the cheap route first. | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
PS Tire size is up to you . I think you'll appreciate the wider tires though (given being fully informed). | ||
| Ezblast |
Diablo or GTS 23 / GTS 24` - I may try those next in the larger 140/70@110/70 sizes - I really like how easily the lower profile tire is willing to turn in and it has made the goat trails I ride even easier to negotiate. Supposedly these have a longer life profile - something that would tempt me back towards Pirelli - though a nice looking tire - it is no better looking than the current Avons I run now. However, since I'm on my second Avon rear, this would mean a total swap out of both tires would be needed in the next change out - for both bikes sigh - and since I am buying a house with a two car garage that will rarely see a car in it, I'll probably break down and buy a No-Mar tire changing set as well - http://www.nomartirechanger.com/index.html http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/406 2/343647.html?1205658162 Right now though - I am enjoying wearing out the VyperStrikes and enjoying the roads and weather that make Cali famous! EZ (Message edited by ezblast on March 16, 2008) | ||
| Swampy |
Totoland, I have run the larger Kenda on the back of both Blasts and the only hting I can say about them is They Wear FAST! The only person that has said anything about the fitment problems of the Kenda is Ralph the Third, so I take that with a grain of salt. Don't wear yourself out with tire selection, you aren't going to be married to them, they are only going to be around for a few thousand miles then you get to try out another pair! Try the larger Vyperstrykes, write us a report, then try the Diablos, and write us a report, then try the GT23/GT24 and write us a report, then try the AM 26. |
