| Author | Message | ||
     Ezblast |
Yuppers - here it is!  I guess they don't care if your carb falls off going down the road - after all it is for Racing and you take your chances?  If thats the case I think I'll stick to the stack for my red bike as well! At least I know my shit ain't going to disappear while rolling down the road. - lol - Got thump?! Just Blasting on the Dark side! EZ  edited by ezblast on July 14, 2003 | ||
| Rebelgtp |
cool gonna have to order me one of those intakes. will have to make a support braket for the carb still but i like the intake! Glitch cool can't wait to see the clip. | ||
| Jprovo |
EZ, they may anchor the shroud to the engine somehow to prevent that from happening. James edited by jprovo on July 14, 2003 | ||
| Ezblast |
James - I'm hoping your right - but I'm betting your not! Just more of that ugly step - child syndrome that the Blast always seems to get attention wise from the factory. I've said this before - with examples, and this just becomes one more! Yes I would recommend to anyone going to run the above intake to also think brackets and springs - lol - Got Thump?! Just Blasting on the Dark side! EZ  | ||
| Buelliedan |
When there is a will there is a way. And I'm going to find a way to make that intake work to my will!  | ||
| Jprovo |
Dollars to doughnuts, the factory is not going to put out a part that will not work reliably right out of the box. This intake will be reliable. James | ||
| Ezblast |
Hey! Don't get me wrong - it may be great for what it was designed for, its just that for something hanging off the carb they could have added suports, or at least upgraded the intake boot and clamps to hold the shooting match in place so it won't go anywhere, or more likely - crack! If they're going to leave all that to us then I'd go with Ray's setup or mine - at least ours won't have your carb falling off your bike! - lol - Got Thump?! Just Blasting on the Dark side! EZ  | ||
| Ezblast |
James - I really don't think that bet is going to work - why - their disclaimer for all pro stuff - is it screws you - -tough - I'm sure the intake will work, the question is - if thats all there is to it (assuming the pic shows everything you get) - how long before we hear about people just bolting them on and then a week down the road the carb come off. We've heard this alot just from people mounting their own intakes and not doing anything else before! Now that little oversite will probably double that type of problem! - lol - Got Thump?! Just Blasting on the Dark side! EZ  | ||
| Ltlboybuell |
It would have been better to have an install and parts pic ... Looking at the parts though, the item to the far left actually looks like it goes between the elbow that bolts to the carb and the filter assembly ... hmmm, could that be the mount/bracket? | ||
| Ltlboybuell |
BTW, it also looks like our hopes of having an upgraded FI P3 have been dashed... the new XB12s sure are pretty though | ||
| Spooky |
Looks like the 04 Blast have the same primary gearing ratio as the XB9's. I wonder how that affects the power output to the wheels.  Primary Gear ratio; 00-03 Blast: 1.60:1 (56/35) 04 Blast: 1.676:1 (57/34) 03-04 XB9: 1.676:1 (57/34) 04 XB12: 1.500:1 (57/38) edited by spooky on July 14, 2003 | ||
| Buellblastrider |
i know this really isn't a good place for it but its says new threads are closed on this page. I need to know the size of the stock handlebars on my blast. i am wanting to buy a bar snake but it has to be 7/8 and either 52 or 40 inches long. does anyone else have a bar snake on your blast? | ||
| Spooky |
Your handlebars are 7/8 and as far as the length, I don't know. My bars where sold right after I got the bike. The easy way to find out the length of your bars is to lay a piece of string across the top of your bars. then lay the piece of string out flat and measure it. That will give you the length of your bars if you were to stretch it out flat. I hope this helps. Eric | ||
| Jprovo |
EZ, I doubt that they will have this problem. Look at the conservative (but good) Pro-Series cams, and the beefy Pro series exhaust. You could install both those parts and not worry about service. I think that the new intake will be the same way. Let's wait until we get more data to make a judgement. James | ||
| Ezblast |
Eric - is that a change from previous years? I don't really know that to be true James - the fact that a number of people have been lucky enough not to have their carbs fall off or the intake boot break or crack while mounting other intakes onto their Blast and running them shows me that the effect is in the minority, and Buell in their testing may have had results going along with that majority. But from all I've read and experienced - sooner or later - without some kind of support system - that intake boot will give/crack and that should not be doubted. On this Board I've heard of a bunch of people running intakes without supports and ok so far, but almost just as often I've heard of people trying the same thing and having very bad results. So yea - I'm leary and skeptical of something that shows little to no consideration for such past failures. The reason I was interested in their intake was not because I thought it would be better than a stack (Not!) but because I wanted to see how they addressed the support issues and the week link rubber intake boot. To be honest - from what I can see - they ignored those issues completely. Therefore - if there is a a support piece not shown or upgrade intake boot that goes with - please let me know! But I'm betting what you see is what you get and that a whole bunch of people will be making their own brackets - after the intake and carb fall south while your going north. Think about this - if something does go wrong - its still totally on you for the fix - lest we ever forget that pro parts disclaimer - lol - Got Thump?! Just Blasting on the DArk side! EZ | ||
| Spooky |
Ed, Thats a change alright. All 2000 to 2003 Blast had the same primary gear ratio as the tube frame Buell's and Sportster's.  Eric. | ||
| Ezblast |
Awesome - smaller sprocket? - what does that do to power delivery - Should we all be changing over to the 2004? What is the overall benefit? I know selection always helps the racer, but what does it do for one on the street? A smaller rear sprocket would be a blessing - lol - Got Thump?! Just Blasting on the Dark side! EZ  | ||
| Spooky |
Ed, They do need to get rid of the rear sprocket. It's still the same old rear piece of s#!t sprocket. Now that Buell has change the primary gear ratio (engine to Transmission) the 2004 Blast will be slower(top speed I think  ). It also looks like they have changed 2nd gear in the transmission. Eric Final Drive Ratio; pre-recall 2000 Blast: 2.70:1 (27/73) post-recall 2000 Blast: 2.963:1 (27/80) 2001-2004 Blast: 2.963:1 (27/80) Transmission Gear Ratio; 2000 Blast: 1st 2.69, 2nd 1.97, 3rd 1.43, 4th 1.18, 5th 1.00 2001 - 2004 Blast: 1st 2.688, 2nd 1.850, 3rd 1.433, 4th 1.181, 5th 1.000 edited by spooky on July 15, 2003 | ||
| Buellblastrider |
thanks much Eric. Its more help then i've got from anyone else. The other measurement i can get myself, so no problem there. Thanks Again | ||
| Ezblast |
So the final Ratio is still the same? or diff. by a diference of 0.001? would this difference be noticed in the real world? Second question - speculation - would switching the Blast over to the XB set up be preperation for the awaited - ahh to dream - single XB framed bike? - I wonder? Ah well - only time will tell - lol - Got Thump?! Just Blasting on the Dark side! EZ  | ||
| Spooky |
Buellblastrider, No problem, thats what we are here for. To help each other out, and get under each others skin(ez)lol. Ed, For the 100th time final ratio is still the same  . Buell has change the primary ratio and 2nd gear ratio in the transmission. Those little changes can may a big difference. Eric | ||
| Ezblast |
Say something in French RifRaf - '...Merci! Maaaster!...' - lol - I got ya - so this would make first a little longer? and second shorter? - just trying to see the effect in driving in the real world ... This would actually make the Blast slower? Wow - that would be a drag...I'm wrong here - right? - lol - Got Thump?! Just Blasting on the Dark side! EZ  | ||
| Spooky |
Don't really know the effects on real world driving. Just looking at the numbers makes the bike look slow. I'll try to do the math at work tonight if time permits. Eric (Cool! - Moderator) edited by ezblast on July 14, 2003 | ||
| Jprovo |
Eric, The trans ratios on the 2004 are the same as my 2002 Final Drive Tidbits: Stock 2000-2003 is 1.6:1 (56/35) Stock 2004 is 1.676:1 (57/34) (if it's not a typo) Combo 1: Running the 2004 engine sprocket 2000-2003 Clutch sprocket will yield 1.647:1 (56/34) This would probably take the least work to retrofit. Combo 2: Running the 2004 clutch sprocket and the 2000-2003 engine sprocket will yield 1.629:1 (57/35) This would probably be more work and money to retrofit. The 2004 and the combo gear ratios will give you more bottom end and less top end. Stock 2000-2003 top speed (6500 rev limit top gear): 96.1 MPH Stock 2004 top speed: 91.8 MPH Combo 1 top speed: 93.4 MPH Combo 2 top speed: 94.4 MPH I'm thinking it's a typo, but if it's not, I don't see the benefit of changing the gear ratio. It might make the Blast a better beginner and city bike, but not as great a highway bike. James | ||
| Ezblast |
So you think they are consolodating parts, or what? GT - JBOTDS! EZ  | ||
| Jprovo |
Either that or it's a typo. James | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
So, If they made the jump from 1st to 2nd greater-thats bads news.Unless they changed other trans internals to make it shift better, 1st to 2nd is gonna suck-still-(& there wasnt anything wrong with 2 thru 5!)Yeah, definitely slower. | ||
| Rockbiter1 |
hold it...if the final drive and 5th are the same as post-recall, then top end speed would be the SAME...its how fast you got to top end that would be the diffrence. right? | ||
| Spooky |
I went back and checked on transmission ratio's from 2000 up. 2000 year models had a 2nd gear ratio of 1.97. 2001 & up had a 2nd gear ratio of 1.85. The reason why there was a change starting with 2001 Blast, was because of the rear sprocket change. You have three drive ratio that effect your overall gear ratio; 1st ratio: primary gears 2nd ratio: transmission gears 3rd ratio: sprockets 4th ratio: overall I'll us my bike as an example. (2000 Blast with recall sprocket) 1.60 * 2.69 * 2.963 = 12.75 1.60 * 1.97 * 2.963 = 9.33 1.60 * 1.43 * 2.963 = 6.77 1.60 * 1.18 * 2.963 = 5.59 1.60 * 1.00 * 2.963 = 4.74 Now look at the overall for 2nd gear on a 2001 - 2003 Blast. I only did 2nd gear because that was the only difference between the 2000 and 2001 - 2003. 1.60 * 1.85 * 2.963 = 8.77 Now look at the 2004 Blast. 1.676 * 2.69 * 2.963 = 13.35 1.676 * 1.85 * 2.963 = 9.18 1.676 * 1.43 * 2.963 = 7.10 1.676 * 1.18 * 2.963 = 5.85 1.676 * 1.00 * 2.963 = 4.96 So know we see how changing you primary ratio effects overall ratio. Play around with the numbers that James or I have posted above. Try it with the pre-recall sprocket and see what you get, or even try it with the XB12 primary ratio (1.500) Eric edited by spooky on July 15, 2003 | ||
| Spooky |
2004 Blast will be faster off the line and slower at top speed. You might be shifting more in the twisties also. Bike should pull nice on the highway but you will be running at a higher rpm at the same speed than a 2003 or earlier Blast Eric |
