| Author | Message | ||
     Ezblast |
The 515cc is a total bolt in and the piston on the kits is designed for the Blast head (and if you upgrade to the XB head that piston is switched out to an XB type as well). The 600cc requires case disassembly for boring. You could bore the Blast out to 550cc on the stock cylinder also, and add a Wiseco piston for 10.5 to 11.5 comp for street - higher if racing - that would put you in several ultralight sportsman racing groups, the key ingredients besides compression, are the ignition - Pro Series SC, cam - E550 or up, and very good head work & quality parts - NHRS, CycleRama, Millinium Tech. - all are T.O.L. - then couple that with a free flowing 1 3/4" id header into can, A Pro-series intake or stack or K&N and very modified air box will get you dialed in. I have a 515cc kit - stage one basically and its a very nice improvement over the stock or just Pro-series parts alone - though on the Full kit - Stage one - you could run the Pro-series stuff as a good complement - each would optimize the other at that stage - how good that exhaust would be on a more serious motor is still a question. Got Thump?! Just Blasting on the Dark side! EZ  | ||
| Joey |
I guess this is where I should have posted in the first place. I've rethunk my plans as I had no idea what a 4 valve head would cost. I can do the 600cc kit this October, as that's when I get my bonus. It should be enough for the kit, but I'll have to pay someone to do the case boring. Anybody know how easy/hard it would be to use an XB head, or would I do just as well to get the current head ported and such? | ||
| Ralphthe3rd |
Joey, glad you re-thought the 4 valve head idea. And YES , you can convert the XB head to work with the Blast... you have to ask NRHS for specifics. Btw- the cost of the complete teardown of your Blast motor for case boring is going to cost you well over $1000 if you have a dealer do it ! But here is MY BIG NEWS ! As of Yesterday evening- I no longer have a 492cc Buell Blast, I now am running on the Street - My 600cc Buell BEAST ! Yesiree, I couldn't wait any longer. ~Ralph | ||
| Ezblast |
Totally cool - now thats Blasting on the Dark side! Buell Beast - huh? - lol - looks like your planning on having a world of street fun! Woohoo! - Let the good times roll! Got Thump?! Just Blasting on the Dark side! EZ | ||
| Joey |
Ralphie--I'll only pay to have done what I can't do myself. I think that, with the maintenance manual and help from other BadWeatherBikers, I can get the 600cc kit finished for slightly less (thinking optimistically, here!) than $1000. My idea is to strip it all down this winter and have a local place bore the case. Any idea specifically what I probably won't want to do myself, besides the actual boring? | ||
| Aaron |
Joey ... you most certainly can do it yourself. Pulling down a motor and putting it back together ain't rocket science. I would caution you, however, to choose carefully who bores your cases. If that's done improperly, it'll cause all kinds of problems. It needs to be straight, square, and the right size. | ||
| Ralphthe3rd |
Hey Aaron, why has NRHS switched from selling "Millenium" Cylinders to "Axtell" with their Big Bore kits ??? ....just curious  | ||
| Vjb77 |
Ralphie Boy...this came up before...Nallin feels the Axtell come out of the box with less problems...a quality control thing...the post is around here somewhere I read it about a week or so ago... | ||
| Ralphthe3rd |
Ahhh- thank you. I don't usually come here(Badweb) and read ALL the posts....Especially since I run the Worlds Largest Buell BLAST specific yahoo group/website. I was figuring that was the case, since I've heard of quality control F'ups with the "Millenium" cylinders... I got pix of a 515cc jug that didn't have the pushrod tube area machined out fully...! I do believe the "Axtell" cylinders are much better, as I've never heard any complaints out of the box ?! Anyway, did that "Earlier" Post also happen to discuss that Brian Nallin- after selling his Racing Head service/company, went to Work for "Millenium" !? I'd say that all that friendly Talk between Aaron and Brian was kinda just for show ???  | ||
| Ralphthe3rd |
Millenium 515cc Blast cylinder pix  | ||
| Vjb77 |
Ralph...I just joined the Fast Blast and Buell-Blast Yahoo groups this week...a wealth of information for sure...the info on the Kenda tires is a great find...as soon as I get the 600cc kit on, I'm going for the tires...keep up the GREAT work! | ||
| Ezblast |
LOL - What - this is chopped Liver? You haven't explored this site enough to think that - lol - for the tires - Think instead Chen Shin Baracuda - lol GT - JBOTDS! EZ | ||
| Blake |
Having your Blast discussion site sponsored by people and ventures who are directly involved with Buell motorcycles, parts, and accessories certainly would seem to be a plus. Certainly seems more appropriate than supporting a bunch of unrelated yahoo or msn or whatever sponsors. Here, your participation is supported by and benefits the people who are most enthusiastic about Buell motorcycles. That has gotta mean something. Great job with the Thumper Forum EZ. Referring to NRHS as "Nallin" is not applicable any more. Sadly Brian was compelled to depart Colorado. He found employment with Millenium Technologies. I've not had any trouble with my Millenium cylinders, but they do exhibit a crude/rough external appearance. That may have changed since I bought them back in 2001. | ||
| Vjb77 |
It was not my intention to take away from the efforts of anyone on this BB...I have praised the Jedi Master for his guidance previously (and recently I might add)...I'm not trying to start any trouble...I have benefited greatly from the knowledge of the persons that run this BB as well...so to EZ and Blake, thanks and keep up the REALLY GREAT work! | ||
| Ezblast |
Hey its cool - you may have noticed, where the name of the Buell Blast is bantered around I am there - a bigger fan you will not find! All possible good and bad points I've explored, and the funny part is - I still really like the bike, and the ideas behind it. I'm pretty sure Ralph feels the same way. He has two very good groups, but I don't stop there, I've spoken on over a half dozen international forums, and am a regular on several other motorcycle forums - ranging from BeginnersBike.com to Cycleforums to any other Buell site that is active at the time - its always active here - thats why its my favorite, and the depth of knowledge here can not be beat! Besides where else are you going to meet Ralph, besides his groups, it would be here, butting heads, having fun, and with us exploring everything we can about this bike - always looking for new ideas, or some new twists to some old ideas - lol - I know he's happy with his 600cc bike so far and is burning through the tires - lol - as a wise man once said - lol - 'It's all good!'  Got Thump?! Just Blasting on the Dark side! EZ | ||
| Ralphthe3rd |
Meet Me here-after THIS !? Well not again -since Blake Deleted my LAST Post !!!! Oh , I hope it wasn't You EZ- who deleted my Post !? My post was NOT flammatory, just informative... but Poof, Now it's Gone ! CENSORSHIP !!! BYE-BYE I ain't contributing HERE Again, yeah I said that before...but this was the last straw ! | ||
| Phillyblast |
Ralph and Joey - NRHS sells both the Millenium and the Axtell cylinders. The relationship with AW and Axtell goes back at least to the Y2K Team Elves effort. No worries, mates - good products, good people standing behind them. | ||
| Blake |
Yes Ralph, I deleted your post. It was only mildly insulting, which by itself is something I tolerate. I deleted it because it was also inaccurate, argumentative and a continuance of long history of derisive posts by you.
I've seen and extensively surfed through your yahoo site. Not once have I ever seen any ad related to motorcycles let alone Buell motorcycles. NOT ONCE. The ads I've seen are as follows... 1. Yahoo DSL service 2. Yahoo Personals 3. Yahoo Autos 4. www.theflyingostrich.com 5. Yahoo Web Hosting 6. Yahoo Sports Fantasy Football 7. Yahoo mail 8. Yahoo Fantasy Football (again) 9. Yahoo Domains 10. Discount Tire Direct 11. Yahoo Hot Jobs (this one was in intermediary that required I click once more on the following text before reaching the desired page: "Yahoo! Groups is an advertising supported service. Continue to message"  ); 12. Advance Auto Parts (same deal as above) As to my participation here, a simple search of the Thumper Forum for author "Blake" and then author "Ralph" will reveal the following results: Posts by Blake: 251 Posts by Ralph: 131 Apparently I contribute significantly more to the Thumper Forum than do you, and obviously I contribute more than rebuttals to your posts. So as you can see, your post was indeed inaccurate. That combined with your history here and your post's derisive and argumentative tone were enough in my then state of mind to cause me to delete it. You've been warned repeatedly about your argumentative, insulting, and vulgar contributions on BadWeB. You've been suspended and stormed away upset vowing to never return on more occasions than I can recall. Your posts here have required intervention by at least four separate board custodians acting to maintain decorum and civility on the board. You've even on one occasion stooped to masquerading under another username to wage a campaign of vulgarity and insult. Users of the board have sent emails to me and other custodians complaining about your behavior. I'll put it in plain English for you. Though you have a LOT to offer, your presence here has been more of a problem than a bonus. So you are damn right when you recognize that I am acutely interested in anything you post here. I wish it were not that way. I suggest you stop blaming others for your own problems and take serious stock of yourself. I'm done arguing with you. I will delete any further argumentative posts that you seek to place on this board. (Message edited by blake on August 03, 2004) | ||
| Joey |
Aaron--NRHS quotes $157.50 to bore the case. I'm thinking I can have it done locally, but I don't know what kind of quality I will get. Looks like I'll be shipping the case to them so I know it's done right. I could get it done for less here, but that puts me at a higher risk for the usual Delaware Incompetency Factor. Blake--Thanks! (Message edited by joey on August 07, 2004) | ||
| Phillyblast |
Spooky and other that have installed them - What kinda ponies are you seeing out of the 600 kit? thanks | ||
| Buelldyno_guy |
My 600 made 53 RWHP, but only about 35 ft/lbs of torque. ... I am hoping the new long stroke crank will get that number up. ... Terry | ||
| Jprovo |
Terry- What did you do to the short stroke crank? Can you show us pics of it after you put the long stroke crank in? Very respectable numbers. Are those numbers are with a built for salt drag pipe? James | ||
| Buelldyno_guy |
Sorry I mis read your question, but one of the Techs at Bartells needed a rod for his dirt tracker so I sent him the entire crank. He owes me a tour of the Race Shop and pictures of their carburated XB Race Bike. . ...Pictures of the first long stroke crank are in the 44Mag thread. ... Brian has lightend it up even more pictures to come when I get them. ... Yes it was a Salt only pipe. Aaron gave me the numbers, the heads were done by Brian when those two were first getting together back in 03. ... PS. ...The new 650-cc engine is in the dyno room back at Rev Perf. Brian said he will run it by Tuesday of next week. ... Can't Wait. ... Terry (Message edited by buelldyno_guy on February 03, 2006) | ||
| Jprovo |
Terry - Are you talking about Jeff Eklund? Good guy. His bike is pretty neat and seems to be well sorted out now. The bike looked really cool with the clear blue City-X airbox cover. I'm blown away by how much materia you've pulled out of the crank. Hope that thing halls butt. | ||
| Joey |
Here I go again. Money didn't pan out last time, but now I'm getting a decent insurance settlement. I'm on the fence here. If I do anything, I'll want to go all the way. 600cc, on sale, $375 Stage 2 head, $524.19 Now, the questions. I plan to use this on the road, just like now. I don't need something to race, and I don't need max HP at certain RPMs. I would like a power curve that's not too far from stock. What ignition should I get? What cams and such would be best for all-around torque? Are adjustable pushrods a requirement? The payoff from the insurance claim is $1400. I want to do as much as I can within this amount. Revperf has a good price for the jug, but NRHS has the better price for a better stage 2 job. Am I looking for trouble by matching one company's cylinder to another company's head work, or can I just tell NRHS that it's going on a 600cc jug? Am I really looking at $200+ for cams? I'll be taking lots of pictures when (if?) I do all this. (Message edited by Joey on December 07, 2006) | ||
| Ezblast |
Go 515cc - the easiness of the install is worth the 3-4 hp loss and a lot of $ saved in time and labor, use the stage 2 Blast heads, the SE 550 cam, use the SE ignition set at 5, adj push rods are not a requirement and in fact the stock ones can be used on all cams mentioned - 550 and below - (don't forget new engine mounting bolts)and enjoy! GT - JBOTDS! EZ | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
I concur with EZ! You can mix and match the head and cylinder, just make sure whoever does your head knows if you're going with the 515 or 600. Cams are $200 or more (you may find a deal on a full set of stock XB or Screamin Eagle XL'04 cams-but it still will only be close to buying the 2 Blast cams) Some points I would consider: The 600cc is definitely the most bang for the buck, but it does come at the expense of a complete engine teardown and case bore. The SE550 cam is extremely streetable (stock XB cam). Upping the redline to 7500rpm just makes it more fun (stock XB redline is 7500rpm). Updated oil pump drive gear is a must @ $50 (especially at the mileage on your bike). If you get new lifters (should be done with a new cam/some say pushrods too) and you go for the Jims lifters, Jims recommends a valve adjustment every 2000 miles. Ride hard enough and it will need it. Therefore you'll need the adjustable pushrods and tubes. yeah, as usual, the adjustable pushrods and tubes are my rallying cry. I just know the time they save whether you've got a problem or just need to do some engine work. I just think they're worth the money. PS Make sure the longer pushrod goes with the appropriate cam (non-adjustable pushrods only). | ||
| Xgecko |
515cc is something that you can do yourself, the 600cc kit will cost you a bunch of labor that unless you are a real mechanic. Personally for $1400 I would do a HiComp piston, Headwork, cam, ignition, pushrods, intake and a suitable exhaust (like maybe a supertrapp mated to the pipe of yours) That will eat about 2/3's of the money and then maybe get a new helmet or jacket | ||
| Joey |
I've mulled everything over. I like EZ's plan, but I really want to go 600cc. Is there really only a 3-4hp difference between 515 and 600? Here's my wish list: $375 bigger cylinder $525 stage 2 head $200+ cams $259 ignition $50 updated oil pump gear ----- $1409 Total I can spend another $137 and quite a few more hours and go 600cc. To do this the way I want, it'll use up the entire $1400, plus a little. I also want to get my seat done by Sargent's, get a new brake caliper for the front, a windshield, and fix the damaged stuff. I think the engine will have to wait a little while longer. Comfort and safety first, then speed! This project will have to wait for my income tax check. | ||
| Ezblast |
Cams will be around 350.00, yes there is only that much more hp, however, with a single thats a lot, however, to get that extra hp would mean a total disassembly of the motor - IE pulling the tranny and all else to empty the case to bore the case - very costly unless you do it yourself - lol - I would suggest saving a little money for pad, in case you bump into any unexpected problems and for some dyno time to dial her in. GT - JBOTDS! EZ |
@ Blake ! Little You know about Yahoo Groups -Blake ! As the advertising for each Group is tailored to that specific interest catergory...and My Groups are advertised by Motorcycle Dealers/manufactures- mainly Harley,or something related to cycles.... so THAT shoots YOUR theory all to Hell !