| Author | Message | ||
     Hughlysses |
Well, on one hand this weekend seems to have been abysmal for EBR: it seems insane to me that an allegedly world-class team (I'm speaking of the Italians that comprise the team) can't fix an electronics issue on a bike within 24 hours. Geoff missed 1-1/2 practice sessions and 2 races. Unbelievable. OTOH- Aaron managed a respectable finish in the first race (16th) and the bike held together when a lot of others didn't. Aaron managed a 20th place finish in the second race with no issues. There seems to be a hint of hope in the FB post from Team Hero/EBR. Did they finally figure out something they were doing fundamentally wrong with the electronics? Has Geoff been fighting an electronics setup issue all season while Aaron's been riding with lesser but functional electronics? I'm certain I read another post by Team Hero/EBR on FB yesterday where they (again) stated that new parts would be forthcoming in the next race or two. The post was apparently later removed. It's been stated here that the new swing arms that were supposed to be on the bikes (according to a Team Hero/EBR FB post) several races ago have not yet arrived. Maybe they're finally getting the new swing arms? IF they've finally figured out a previously undiagnosed electronics issue AND they're about to get some decent race parts, MAYBE we'll finally see a substantial improvement in their performance. Official Team Press release: http://us5.campaign-archive2.com/?u=b1964295d7f155 fa8c439a200&id=71764d202d | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
another race missed... wow wasnt expecting them to win any races the first season (or in the next few years, if Im honest), but finishing at the back of the pack IF the rider makes the race? come on... | ||
| Court |
>>>>Every body knows that it will work. >>>> I think the added unsprung mass won't make any difference. Both patently false statements with no basis in fact. The internet . . . | ||
| Jens |
Hard times for friends of the Buell brand. As I resist to watch the races to minimize the risk to smash my TV or Computer against the wall, I just noticed at fb with teams press release that EBR/HERO have finished in Sepang closer to the points than ever. I checked the result and there is really hope that just another 13 competitors need to retire to get for the first time onto the podium. Even if it is really harder for me from weekend to Weekend to keep my mouth shut, I will not comment that yet. Your homework you do in advance, not when the teacher have entered the classroom. A circulating brakesystem what uses the lower triple as a cooler we tested successful in 2010 -just in case we might need it one day.... The Story, not in all correct, but it was not my interest at that time to clear up all: http://rideapart.com/2010/09/custom-pegasus-race-t eam-experimental-buell-1125r/ The Pictures: http://pegasusraceteam.com/html/1125_r_experimenta l_0.html Now I need another Lagavulin... | ||
| Jscott |
Jay Carney left the Obama Administration just to pen those press releases. 16th place is exciting when you start from the grid in 25th position to slice and dice your way up to 16th, not so much when the 9 bikes in front of you crash out or retire. It was the same for their 17th place prior, both cases they were the last bikes crossing the finish line. A position is a position in racing, but dont spin it like it was a great leap forward. | ||
| Fast1075 |
When I was 16, I won a motocross race. I was riding a stock Yamaha 90 enduro with the lights taken off. I "beat" 38 other guys to the finish line. Half way thru the 45 minute race, I had been twice lapped by the leaders. Then a monster of a rain storm blew in, in minutes the track had water every where. Deep water. Every single bike but mine had the then current fad intake system, a Unifilter clamped directly to the carb to "save weight". My stock airbox kept the water and mud at bay. My bike was the only one still running, and I slogged around the track while everybody else was trying to get their bike to go. Miracles do happen. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
16th place is exciting when you start from the grid in 25th position to slice and dice your way up to 16th, not so much when the 9 bikes in front of you crash out or retire. It was the same for their 17th place prior, both cases they were the last bikes crossing the finish line. A position is a position in racing, but dont spin it like it was a great leap forward. My sentiments entirely. Rocket in England | ||
| Court |
I have one of my gold medals in the state gymnastics all-around event that . . . I confess . . . I got ONLY because two of my keenest competitors through the season (and on into college) took nose dives . . one from the horizontal bar (my specialty) and one from the still rings. Still feel kinda bad . . . but the medal's still gold. Miracles do happen. | ||
| Neutrum |
gosh...you really still believe in miracles (and elves obviously too)? ...and no, they do not happen in wsbk. it's that simple. kinda sweet, your gold-medal-stories from the past, though. that was a really bad show from ebr at their sponsor's homemarket (asia). i can't believe that they are satisified with that. they have no strategy and now everbody knows that. amen. (Message edited by Neutrum on June 09, 2014) | ||
| Jaimec |
Thought I MIGHT find some comments here on Baz pulling a "Pedrosa" on Sykes in Race 1... | ||
| M2typhoon |
^ Most threads these days are dominated by Trojan and Rocket spewing the same stuff over and over again about EBR carrying almost no real plausible information, even if the thread is supposed to be about MotoGP. | ||
| Trojan |
^ Most threads these days are dominated by Trojan and Rocket spewing the same stuff over and over again about EBR carrying almost no real plausible information, even if the thread is supposed to be about MotoGP. Keep up, this is the WSb thread  Baz was certainly 'out of order' in race one (again) and Sykes has made no secret that he needs a good talking to about team tactics and the number one premise that 'you don't take your team mate out!'. No point saying anything about the EBR 'performance' (for want of a better word) this week. If they can't see the damage this ongoing farce is doing to them by now then what can I say? | ||
| M2typhoon |
"Keep up, this is the WSb thread" Hmm... pretty sure I said "the" thread and not "this" thread. The word "the" being used as a general example. "Thought I MIGHT find some comments here on Baz pulling a "Pedrosa" on Sykes in Race 1..." At least someone is trying. Doesn't seem like there's answer to the Sykes problem. The guy is consistent for the most part. That wins championships. 8 out the last 12 races with a top 3 and two wins. Can't argue that they aren't great numbers. | ||
| Neutrum |
i'm just reading, that geoff may used 8 engines until now (of 8) and blown 6 of 'em. in misano (round 7 of 13), he will be most likely out of engines...and maybe they get a special permission to use more. | ||
| Classax |
I don't think Baz should roll over for Sykes in the least bit. He was his way to be the fastest man on the track and tucked the front a few times. Unfortunately during one of those incidents it impacted another rider. There is no way he could have controlled what happened other than not to tuck the front, but that's racing. I often wonder if all of us are watching the same races because the interpretations of what happens are so different. Did you guys see the same crash I did?, Baz lost the front and upset Tom but it was another rider who actually hit him and took him out. If I were Sykes, I'd be pissed I got taken out as a result of something my team mate started true, but you can't blame a guy for doing his best, and he was not the only rider to loose it there. If I were BAZ the only lesson to be learned is little smoother release on the trail braking on cold tires, if Tom wants to be in front, the control for that is in HIS right hand. A number 1 plate doesn't entitle you to anything on the track, and just because we work for the same team, when the green flag drops my number one concern has to be my personal performance and safety followed by that of my fellow racers. I big guy like Baz running hard with the little (red white & green men from Mars is about the best thing I've seen all season! M2typhoon> Most threads these days are dominated by Trojan and Rocket spewing the same stuff over and over again about EBR carrying almost no real plausible information...., That's entirely unfair!  Their comments simply take the most negative, pessimistic, and some might even say cowardly view and interpretations of the facts humanly possible. Mat & Rocket, don’t listen to him. The world needs those wet blanket, it’s always raining, the sky is falling, it’s the end of the world as we know it, type people as a friend to keep us NORMAL people grounded. Nope, don’t even respond to M2typhoon, as I your friend have done it for you. No need to thank me, your silence is thanks enough. Of course with a friend like me you needn't worry about finding a need for enemies. All in good fun mates. On to the next round! | ||
| Trojan |
Baz lost the front and upset Tom but it was another rider who actually hit him and took him out. Watch the video from before the impact. Baz rode over the striped kerb (almost out of control even at that point). Sykes and everyone else braked because the field bunched at the tight turn 2 but Baz slammed into the back of Sykes and Lowes because he was already unable to stop and out of control. It may have been Lowes that eventually took Sykes out but the accident was caused by Baz being too hot into the second corner of lap one. It isn't the first occasion that Baz has hit the back of Sykes bike either (twice in Philip Island and once at Assen). Sykes is the senior rider in the team and the reigning world champion, so it is entuirely correct that Baz should at least receive a slap and told to calm down when around his team mate. negative, pessimistic, and some might even say cowardly view Please define how I have been cowardly? I don't resort to personal attacks on you so I woudl appreicate how you can define anything that I have said as cowardly? You may not like what I say but so far I have been proved correct this season haven't I? | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
"Their comments simply take the most negative, pessimistic, and some might even say cowardly view and interpretations of the facts humanly possible." interpretation of the facts? Where have these two "interpreted" the facts in a "cowardly" way? is it cowardly to call out the multiple DNS? What about the multiple DNF? Many on here have drank WAY too much kool aid and cant see the truth in this whole thing. As for the engine thing - I hope they are NOT allowed any special considerations for number of engines used in a season. Many others are making do with the set amount, why can't this factory team? | ||
| Classax |
Please define how I have been cowardly? I don't resort to personal attacks on you so I woudl appreicate how you can define anything that I have said as cowardly? Nothing personal mate, all in good fun, you know I have ton respect for you as a racer, businessman and mechanic. Helped me get the Xb12r performing well. You and Rocket have espoused the "stay home unless you think you can win" approach which some might(Never said I) say is considerably less courageous than the "give it your best shot and see where it falls" approach to racing. It takes all types and views to make a balanced world. Baz and half the field rode over that kerbing during both races. Did he come in to turn 2 too hot, They're all trail braking into that corner on the edge which is the definition of too hot. The field bunched up and others slowed forcing him to look for a little more deceleration which washed the front end out leading to the accident. If you want to blame someone blame the slower guys up front clogging up the racing line(I jest of course). Rubbing is racing, this is not a track day, there's big money at stake between each position. First rule of racing is beat your team mate! I think its healthy for the team and the sport to have Baz mix it up with the Champ, after all to be the man you have to beat the man. EBR's particularly Mr. May's technical problems are a major cause for concern in that if the ECU is settings are killing engines that's one thing, but defective parts is something else entirely. Nearly out of alloted engines, no wonder the engine builder quit. Did he quit because the engines suck, or was he fired because he built them wrong? Either way at this point I say press on. You're already last, starting from the pits won't make you anymore last, especially if you can finally find the speed you've been lacking. It may well be that the 1190 engine just isn't up to the task as a design or needs all the race spec hardware to stay together, like Aprilia and Kawi do. They've already approved the race budget for the year. Go ahead and suffer now for the success later. It might be that in this learning year what is learned is that the EBR makes a great street and track day bike and that's all. I'm fine with that, it takes courage to reach for more and prove more is simply not within you grasp. | ||
| Tpoppa |
I live in Cleveland and even never-say-die Browns fans are more in touch with reality than EBR fans. And just to clarify, that is not a compliment. | ||
| Classax |
The Reality is the bikes are not doing well at all in WSB. Not the first or last time that statement is the hard truth for a bike or MFG. There are two options and approaches at this point. A) piss, moan, and quit. or B) make the best of what you've got until what you've got is your best. It may be at the end of the season that the best EBR has to offer in WSB is 108% of the best of the grid, and a bike woefully unsuited for WSB. That may be the reality, but as yet I don't think they've made a best effort on any front. | ||
| Jscott |
Do we know if any of the team members (sans riders) transitioned to WSBK from the AMA team? | ||
| Jaimec |
That doesn't make any sense either, because EBR doesn't HAVE an entry in MotoGP, so any discussion about EBR in the MotoGP thread would definitely be off-topic. | ||
| Jaimec |
Didn't Michael Jordan take his team to WSBK? Whatever happened to them (I haven't heard a word about them)? | ||
| M2typhoon |
"That doesn't make any sense either, because EBR doesn't HAVE an entry in MotoGP, so any discussion about EBR in the MotoGP thread would definitely be off-topic." Maybe you should go take a look at the MotoGP thread for a couple minutes, you'll find all kinds of EBR/WSBK crud in there where it doesn't belong.  | ||
| Hughlysses |
Somebody on here (I believe it was Matt) said that the penalty for violating the engine rule (using in excess of 8 engines) is that the rider must start from the rear of the field. At this point, that wouldn't really be a penalty for EBR. | ||
| Jscott |
^Agree. Just being able to START would be a huge improvement for Geoff. | ||
| Classax |
Actually I said he would have to start from the pits. If memory serves its like a 10 second penalty. At this point it would be a non issue with the bonus being at least we would see Aaron and May racing against each other in the last few laps of the race. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
^ Most threads these days are dominated by Trojan and Rocket spewing the same stuff over and over again about EBR carrying almost no real plausible information, even if the thread is supposed to be about MotoGP. What gets me is I've been relatively quite on the matter of EBR's failings, sorry success story, in racing. And this is the second time in as many weeks I've pointed this out. What's a Brit to do  Rocket in England | ||
| Jaimec |
Ummm... Michael Jordan? Anyone? Bueller? What happened... I thought he was taking his team to WSBK? | ||
| Classax |
What I find interesting is that in street guise the RSV4 has usually been near the top in weight, and near the bottom in HP with only the RC8 and R1 both weighing more and making less power. Yet if you drop 45K EUR for the homologated WSB spec engine you can have what is believed to be the most powerful engine on the grid(210HP+). OR you can drop 11.5K EUR and have a Superstock/EVO engine. You can drop 37K Eur for a WSB BMW engine or 8.7K EUR for the SS/EVO beemer mill, or 22K EUR for the WSB Kawi power or just 10K Eur for the SS/EVO KIT for the Ninja. Running a Panigale and want the same engine as the WSB, well you can't have it because Ducati won't sell it to you, you can buy the $65K Superleggra but you still won't be at WSB spec , but you'd be close to what they run on the EVO bikes. I hate that EBR is doing as abysmal a job in WSB as can be done and still be listed as a participant but I can't muster the indignation or embarrassment of many when the competition just in engines alone has at least three times the development dollars in bolt on parts to play with. It may be ugly for a long time before EBR catches up, if ever. I wonder how this would be going if EBR had the same levels of race proven performance enhancing parts at their disposal. |
