| Author | Message | ||
     Hughlysses |
Be careful Court: http://blogs.motorcyclistonline.com/bmw-recalls-14 20-r1200gs-motorcycles-43345.html | ||
| Hughlysses |
3rd practice session live timing: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/158 664/397914.html?1400859756 Geoff's running. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Aaron improved a little, 1'32.615, 4.775 behind the leader, but dropped to 24th position. Geoff appeared to run only a short time and only did a 1'34.194. His position is listed as NQ, which I assume means he won't make the race if he doesn't improve. One more practice session tomorrow. | ||
| Vagelis46 |
EBR's top speed is very close to the EVO bikes ...... that is good news... But is it because of improvements found by the team or of the track's layout ? | ||
| Crusty |
How much time do you want in order to see some improvement? Lets not get too excited yet, Yates time in FP2 would put him 16th on the 600 supersport grid! Using that as a measuring stick, there are 10 SBK riders who are lapping slower than Keenan Sofuoglu; and only two of those would be in the top 10 in SSP. If, by some pact with the devil, the EBRs were to suddenly drop an additional 10 seconds per lap, I bet you'd bitch that they should be ashamed for being so fast. | ||
| Gschuette |
EBR fans are now bench racing to be mid pack in the 600 class. I would say lol but it's not that funny. | ||
| Gaesati |
Could we change this thread to "EBR in WSBK" please. And have another thread devoted to WSBK. | ||
| Hughlysses |
4th free practice complete. It must be wet because times are much slower. Yates 20th in this practice session. No time listed for May, which, unless I'm missing something, means he doesn't race at all.  | ||
| Trojan |
If, by some pact with the devil, the EBRs were to suddenly drop an additional 10 seconds per lap, I bet you'd bitch that they should be ashamed for being so fast. But as that isn't going to happen any time soon? Lets all slap oursleves on the back for such a fine performance once again in front of the worlds media shall we? Maybe if we all pray hard for heavy rain we could see an EBR trouble the lower half of the top 20 at last? | ||
| Hughlysses |
Starting grid for tomorrow's race posted: http://resources.worldsbk.com/files/results/2014/G BR/SBK/Q2A/GRI/StartingGrid.pdf Aaron starts in 24th, last place. Geoff packs up and goes home. I understand crap happens, but I don't understand how a supposedly world-caliber racing team can't get a damn bike running long enough for May to ride 2 complete practice sessions, much less the 4 available practice sessions. Do they not have spare bikes? | ||
| Smoke |
Congrats for local Leon Haslam's front row starts tomorrow. Hopefully Aaron scores some points! tim | ||
| Ezblast |
They should have - it is really the only way to successfully race - from what I have viewed of this sport - most teams have at least one back up bike for their rider, if not more, plus enough spare parts to to build at least one more bike if not more. Not being prepared is not professional. EBR needs to be all in for this to work, and I don't really see that so far myself. Why I have not posted much here. I would like to see a lot more commitment happen, or don't bother. EZ | ||
| 46champ |
I may be wrong but I believe as a so called money saving measure world superbike prohibits two complete and running bikes for each rider. If you wreck a bike you get to build another out of spares you have brought along. I think this rule change was enacted this or last year. The side effect of this rule change is to limit the amount of changes that can be tested in one practice session. While the changes are being accomplished the rider is cooling his heels. | ||
| Riohondohank |
I know it is comparing apples to oranges, but I was looking at last September's times at Laguna WSBK and AMA. Cory West was within 2.7 sec of Malandri's pole qualifing time on an EBR with no traction control during the AMA race. It seems very strange to me that the EBR's are not able to do any better than they are doing in WSBK this year. | ||
| Hughlysses |
It seems very strange to me that the EBR's are not able to do any better than they are doing in WSBK this year. One thing that surfaced earlier in the thread is that WSBK apparently has lower noise limits than AMA. The EBR bikes went to a conventionally mounted LARGE muffler (hung off the right side of the rear of the bikes) back at Assen, the implication being that it was required only for that track due to very strict noise regulations there, but they're running the same mufflers this weekend in Donington. Maybe they're struggling to find a way to hold the volume down without killing the engine's power output? I'm with you- whatever it is is damned strange. I can understand the EBR teams having all kinds of issues, and being slower than other competitors, but I can't understand them being slower than their own AMA bikes. | ||
| Bigblock |
I'm starting to wonder if this team EBR hired is really in it? I think they picked the wrong guys, and I've felt that way since race 2. Now I'm actually starting to believe it! Nothing on May and Yates, they can only ride what the team gives them. | ||
| Gaesati |
Those of an historical bent might compare EBR's performance with the Petronas effort or Benelli's attempt at running their triples in WSBK. | ||
| Hughlysses |
First SBK race completed. Yates did OK: http://resources.worldsbk.com/files/results/2014/G BR/SBK/001/CLA/Results.pdf | ||
| V74 |
any read the ducati supperleggera test in MCN this week (wow what a bike)? in the article it states "tipping the scales at just 166kg wet (minus fuel) its the same weight as ducati's WSB racer" the stock 1199 is 188kg kerb weight the 1190 is 202kg kerb weight, the 1190 has quiet a bit to lose to get to the WSB weight of the 1199 and also starts some 10bhp down on a stock 1199. also in last weeks MCN chas davies said of his 1199 "the main difference from last year is the electronics, we changed the ECU, now a magneti marelli WLF, it is one step up from last year, we moved the ECU to immediately behind the top yoke, we wanted to centralise mass a bit more and we reduced a bit of weight"and goes on to say "compared to last year I would say around 7 or 8 horsepower more"so the 1199 is still improving and the 1190 has some way to catch up. the 1190's brakes have been mentioned and top speed but nothing of corner entry speed , mid corner or exit speed , anyone know how well it's doing here ,4 to 5 seconds a lap down must be down to a combination of things, can anyone give me more of an insight into this? | ||
| Hughlysses |
Remember the 1190RX street bike uses heavier components compared to the more race-oriented 1190RS (for instance aluminum wheels vs. magnesium wheels) and as a result weighs 30 lbs more: 419 lbs vs. 389 lbs. I'd think the 1190RX WSBK versions use all the same light-weight components fitted to the 1190RS, so that their racing weights are significantly less than the street bikes. OTOH they did have to fit that ~1.5 gallon aluminum supplemental fuel tank under the seat to give sufficient fuel range for typical WSBK races. Just the weight of the fuel would be nearly 10 lbs so I'd guess with the tank that's 15 lbs or so of additional weight. | ||
| Classax |
It's really a shame their having so many troubles, but that's what happens sometimes in a developmental race program. Sometimes you skip right to front other time its a position every race or two. They're a heck of fun to ride though. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Live feed for race 2: http://www.vipboxus.co/motorsports/229462/1/world- superbikes---donington-park:-round-five-live-strea m-online.html | ||
| V74 |
the 1190 road bike has a 54/46 forward biased weight balance, wouldn't the under seat fuel tank change this and change the handling characteristics? this is one of the reasons I asked about corner entry,mid corner and corner exit speeds and could it also slightly effect braking? also are magnesium wheels still used in WSB ? | ||
| Hughlysses |
^ Yes, the auxiliary fuel tank would change the weight bias, unless they compensated by adding ballast to the front of the bike, which would make the bike even heavier. Hopefully Matt will answer the question regarding the wheel material. And the bad luck continues; Aaron crashed with 14 or 15 laps remaining and is listed as "out". No word on his condition; hopefully he's OK. Live timing here: http://www.worldsbk.com/en/live%20timing%20extende d (Message edited by Hughlysses on May 25, 2014) | ||
| Hughlysses |
From WSBK official media release from Donington Park:
Glad to hear Aaron's OK. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Official Team Hero/EBR press release: http://us5.campaign-archive2.com/?u=b1964295d7f155 fa8c439a200&id=f96b1d6489 | ||
| Bob_thompson |
No matter what anybody says, starting qualified in 24th and coming up to finish 17th in WSB competition for the very first time in the series seems to be pretty darn good for a brand new bike, new electronics & riders who have never seen the tracks. If EBR continues to make those kind of strides they should be fine for continuing to make a name for Erik and Hero as well as all their sponsors. Period. On my ride today I was delightfully surprised at how many more riders, on almost every kind of bike I met today, are asking about Buells and EBR. Fun discussions for sure. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
No matter what anybody says, starting qualified in 24th and coming up to finish 17th in WSB competition for the very first time in the series seems to be pretty darn good for a brand new bike, new electronics & riders who have never seen the tracks. Morais' Kawasaki had problems as did Toth's BMW. Two retirements, Giugliano and Laverty. Both Bimota's not counted in the result finished 12th and 13th. Had it not been for Morais and Toth, Yates would have been last again. It's not like the EBR speed or lap times showed any advance from past results. Just reporting the facts is all before some here start popping the champagne corks  Rocket in England | ||
| Classax |
This thread could do with a modicum of moderation in the choice of rhetoric. I don't think anyone is celebrating the performance of the EBR Hero effort to date. However I see nothing wrong in acknowledging the monumental effort it takes to shave a tenth off lap times at this level. The reality is progress when present has been metered at best and regressive at worst. Hats off to the team for what they've accomplished so far, like wise heads down and sleeves up on fixing the issues that are holding the effort back. (Message edited by classax on May 25, 2014) | ||
| Hughlysses |
So, next race is Malaysia. No WSBK events there in ~20 years, correct? Hopefully this will at least put the EBR riders and crew on a more even footing with the others as far as familiarity with the track. Now, if they could just find the ~25 HP they seem to have lost in the move from AMA to WSBK, they might get another decent showing or two. |
