| Author | Message | ||
     M2typhoon |
^I'm sure many of us feel exactly like this, it's getting old guys. | ||
| Trojan |
but it is actually a Trojan, Rocket thread. "Look at me, look at me." read the title....World Superbike Thread. I didn't realise it was a 'EBR fanboy regardless of results' thread page. You have 2 1190's? Maybe you should go and ride your 'look at me' motorcycle instead then \imagelink2 {http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/winker.gif,; )} (Message edited by trojan on May 21, 2014) | ||
| Tpoppa |
If you're going to race (or anything else for that matter) on the world stage you better be ready to be scrutinized. It's the way of the world kids. | ||
| Gregtonn |
Seems Dean and Ljm pretty well nailed it. Maybe even struck a nerve. Still waiting for an answer to this one: ...Bimota doesn't have the financial back ground that EBR has (HERO)... Exactly how much financial support does Hero allow for the EBR race effort? G | ||
| Hughlysses |
I'll be glad when qualifying starts for Donington so we can stop this bitchfest and go back to the old bitchfest.  | ||
| Gregtonn |
Just for the record Bimota has done a pretty good job of entering a race series on the cheap. 1. Buy already developed engine/drive train from an unrelated company. 2. Buy fully developed suspension and brakes etc. from a few others others. 3. Build a frame to mount these components, add some body work and slap your name on it. Tah-Dah! Instant race bike. Just add rider. G | ||
| Neutrum |
1. rotax 2. öhlins 3. ebr  | ||
| Trojan |
1. Buy already developed engine/drive train from an unrelated company. 2. Buy fully developed suspension and brakes etc. from a few others others. 3. Build a frame to mount these components, add some body work and slap your name on it Seems pretty shrewd to me: 1. Buy one of the best superbike engine/electronics packages available. 2. Buy your suspension/brake package from the FIM approved list of suppliers, as does EVERY other Superbike team. 3. Build a frame that is lighter than the original BMW frame to improve on the original. Please tell me what is so wrong with the concept that Bimota have produced? This is what Bimota have done since they started back in the 70's surely? Take a decent production engine and put it into an exotic frame to improve it? Oh yeah....just add rider(s) capable of delivering results. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Shrewd is for accountants. I want a hero. (Message edited by reepicheep on May 21, 2014) | ||
| Gregtonn |
Please tell me what is so wrong with the concept that Bimota have produced? Nothing at all wrong with it. Did I not say they did a pretty good job? G | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
but it is actually a Trojan, Rocket thread. "Look at me, look at me." Oh do quit your silly psychology play please. Matt and I are talking facts. Nothing more. Nothing less. If you can't handle it, go tell EBR to up their game. Otherwise I fear this one could run and run and run. Rocket in England | ||
| Crusty |
Matt and I are talking facts. Nothing more. Nothing less. Bullshit. You are hypothesizing where you don't have information and twisting that into "proving" that what you don't know is real. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Bullshit. You are hypothesizing where you don't have information and twisting that into "proving" that what you don't know is real. I've done what where? I think what you really mean Crusty is my words tell truths you don't want to hear. Rocket in England | ||
| Trojan |
Bullshit. You are hypothesizing where you don't have information As I have based my information on documented results I don't see that as hypothesizing at all, just stating facts. Any informed guesswork has been based on those results and the visible lack of progress made so far by the team. Unfortunately nobody can put a positive spin on those  Shrewd is for accountants. I want a hero There are plenty of heros already winning WSB races. | ||
| Hughlysses |
OK, first free practice from Donington- Yates has picked up the pace a bit. He ran 22 out of 26, a smidgen over 5 seconds slower than the fastest bike. May is oddly over 2 seconds slower in 25th. Something occurred to me last night- a photo from Donington this morning shows they're still running that huge conventional muffler hung off the right side of the bike. We first saw this muffler at Assen and the implication then was that it was required due to lower-than-normal noise limits at the Dutch track. However, they're still running this exhaust 2 races later. I wonder if the WSBK noise limits are generally lower than what's allowed in AMA Superbike? If the EBR teams have had to lower the noise output since they entered WSBK, that might explain why they've been slower in WSBK than in AMA. | ||
| Trojan |
I wonder if the WSBK noise limits are generally lower than what's allowed in AMA Superbike? Yes. However I remember a while ago that the EBR was actually too loud for AMA competition but got special dispensation? The noise levels are the same for everyone though, so there is no reason whjy they shoudl suffer more than Ducati in this regard surely? Ducati manage to keep their bike within the noise limits with an under belly muffler arrangement. I don't know if May had a problem this morning as he ran a lot less laps than Yates in FP1 (13 vs 21 I think). | ||
| Hughlysses |
Thanks, Matt. That's at least a plausible explanation for why the EBR's have been slower in WSBK than AMA. Like you say though, they should be able to figure this out. (Jens!....) | ||
| Neutrum |
he had a transponder-problem. so he had to return to the pits a few times. | ||
| Trojan |
It may also be that Donington still has a local noise limit that is less than the usual WSB limit, as noise is a big issue for UK circuits these days (although you'd think that being next to a busy ariport would negate that!). I remember a few years ago Buell organised a track day at Donington for Buell owners to try their bikes on track and take some demo XBR's out on the road. What they forgot to tell owners was that Donington had a very strict noise policy in place and allowed no exceptions. The result? Almost EVERY bike that arrived fitted with an aftermarket pipe (and pretty much everyone had such a pipe fitted) was deemed too loud for track use and not allowed on the circuit. After some very heated arguments between Buell owners and H-D staff most people just used the demo bikes and left their own bikes in the car park The only aftermarket pipe that passed the noise tests was Remus  | ||
| Rcf2 |
http://www.crash.net/wsbk/interview/204134/1/geoff -may-erik-buell-racing-qa.html  | ||
| Trojan |
FP2 times are just up now. Yates improved his time to 1'32".7 but not position. It appears that Geoff May set no time at all in this session 1 34 D. GIUGLIANO ITA Ducati Superbike Team Ducati 1199 Panigale R 1'28.082 18 164,424 268,9 2 76 L. BAZ FRA Kawasaki Racing Team Kawasaki ZX-10R 1'28.181 0.099 0.099 19 164,239 269,6 3 22 A. LOWES GBR Voltcom Crescent Suzuki Suzuki GSX-R1000 1'28.187 0.105 0.006 22 164,228 271,6 4 1 T. SYKES GBR Kawasaki Racing Team Kawasaki ZX-10R 1'28.344 0.262 0.157 21 163,936 273,0 5 50 S. GUINTOLI FRA Aprilia Racing Team Aprilia RSV4 Factory 1'28.423 0.341 0.079 19 163,790 273,7 6 58 E. LAVERTY IRL Voltcom Crescent Suzuki Suzuki GSX-R1000 1'28.495 0.413 0.072 16 163,657 268,9 7 65 J. REA GBR PATA Honda World Superbike Honda CBR1000RR 1'28.831 0.749 0.336 17 163,038 270,2 8 91 L. HASLAM GBR PATA Honda World Superbike Honda CBR1000RR 1'28.833 0.751 0.002 15 163,034 268,2 9 7 C. DAVIES GBR Ducati Superbike Team Ducati 1199 Panigale R 1'29.001 0.919 0.168 16 162,726 267,5 10 59 N. CANEPA ITA Althea Racing Ducati 1199 Panigale R EVO 1'29.435 1.353 0.434 11 161,937 257,9 11 33 M. MELANDRI ITA Aprilia Racing Team Aprilia RSV4 Factory 1'29.462 1.380 0.027 21 161,888 271,6 12 86 A. BADOVINI ITA Team Bimota Alstare Bimota BB3 EVO 1'30.027 1.945 0.565 20 160,872 263,0 13 44 D. SALOM ESP Kawasaki Racing Team Kawasaki ZX-10R EVO 1'30.104 2.022 0.077 21 160,734 257,9 14 19 L. CAMIER GBR BMW Motorrad Italia SBK BMW S1000 RR EVO 1'30.111 2.029 0.007 17 160,722 261,1 15 2 C. IDDON GBR Team Bimota Alstare Bimota BB3 EVO 1'30.364 2.282 0.253 17 160,272 257,9 16 9 F. FORET FRA MAHI Racing Team India Kawasaki ZX-10R EVO 1'30.643 2.561 0.279 14 159,778 259,2 17 11 J. GUARNONI FRA MRS Kawasaki Kawasaki ZX-10R EVO 1'31.135 3.053 0.492 9 158,916 255,5 18 21 A. ANDREOZZI ITA Team Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R EVO 1'32.101 4.019 0.966 20 157,249 259,2 19 98 R. LANUSSE FRA Team Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R EVO 1'32.257 4.175 0.156 19 156,983 254,9 20 10 I. TOTH HUN BMW Team Toth BMW S1000 RR 1'32.339 4.257 0.082 15 156,844 261,7 21 20 A. YATES USA Team Hero EBR EBR 1190 RX 1'32.734 4.652 0.395 16 156,176 253,1 22 56 P. SEBESTYEN HUN BMW Team Toth BMW S1000 RR EVO 1'36.517 8.435 3.783 20 150,054 254,9 23 32 S. MORAIS RSA IRON BRAIN Grillini Kawasaki Kawasaki ZX-10R EVO 1'42.335 14.253 5.818 2 141,523 256,1 | ||
| Hughlysses |
I can't imagine how frustrated Geoff must be. Aaron seems to be doing pretty well. He did actually improve one position. 1st session: lap time- 1'33.579, time behind fastest- 5.126 2nd session: lap time- 1'32.734, time behind fastest- 4.652 So he improved considerably in an absolute sense and relative to the fastest bike. Matt- what's the criteria for getting into super pole? If Geoff can get back on the track and somehow pull out his usual ~2 second better than Aaron time, that'd put him around 15th place. THAT would be a serious improvement over previous races. | ||
| Court |
Geoff is a pro and a cool operator . . . he'll do fine. Using the Badweb contrived performance metrics we need to start a new thread demanding that the BMW and Kawasaki folks have their pee-pees slapped and are sent away with their tales twinxt their legs. | ||
| Crush63 |
Super pole is for the top 20. Yates is not far off and this is the closest they have come this year to being in super pole | ||
| Jumbo_petite |
I believe the Superpole qualifying takes the top twenty times and then sets pole through three separate qualifying stages | ||
| Crusty |
Don't cheer them on for showing improvement; they should be showing more improvement and in a shorter amount of time.  (Message edited by Crusty on May 23, 2014) | ||
| Trojan |
Matt- what's the criteria for getting into super pole? If Geoff can get back on the track and somehow pull out his usual ~2 second better than Aaron time, that'd put him around 15th place. THAT would be a serious improvement over previous races. The top 20 go into the first Superole. At the moment Yates is .4 off the top 20 although I suspect Morais in particular could go faster than he showed in FP2. No mention so far of Geoff Mays problem so who knows if he can even make FP3. The weather is set to be much wetter this afternoon so it may not be possible for anyone to improve their times. if that is the case then the top 20 will be as of FP2. Using the Badweb contrived performance metrics we need to start a new thread demanding that the BMW and Kawasaki folks have their pee-pees slapped and are sent away with their tales twinxt their legs. Yeah what a shocking result for Kawasaki! Only first and third fastest in FP1 and 2nd adn 4th in FP2. What are they thinking, sack themanager immediately! Court...BMW is an EVO entry and is still 14th overall Don't cheer them on for showing improvement; they should be showing more improvement and in a shorter amount of time. How much time do you want in order to see some improvement? Lets not get too excited yet, Yates time in FP2 would put him 16th on the 600 supersport grid! | ||
| Crush63 |
It's great that there is some good news for a change. Yes they are still miles off the pace but at least there is improvement. Looking at the 600 SS times I see that the top 8 are in the 1.31's. The EBR certainly makes more power than the 600's so with a breakthrough with chassis setup it's possible for Aaron to pick up a second or more. I'm hoping they find it. | ||
| Court |
>>>Court...BMW is an EVO entry and is still 14th overall Thank goodness . . . . I am heading to ride an R1200GS and the last thing I want is you putting them out of business too! :-) | ||
| Trojan |
I am heading to ride an R1200GS and the last thing I want is you putting them out of business too! Believe me, if EBR or BMW are worried I'll put them out of business things must be pretty shaky indeed  Enjoy the R1200GS |
