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     99buellx1 |
They use something in design like this for that type of stand. It's a GP Receiver, it's very quick to place the stand properly. http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/Detail.bok?no =2367 | ||
| Hughlysses |
Posted to Facebook this morning: Team Hero EBR wrote: Geoff and Aaron will be testing some new parts at Alcarras in Spain on Monday and Tuesday. Full update and pre-Aragon release to come this weekend. | ||
| Classax |
Is it me or does anyone else find it amazing that even with the bikes massively down on power due to windage from being overfilled with oil(an understandable mistake), and still awaitng key parts, that Aaron even made the field or that Geoff would have made it into superpole had he not broken himself? The back straight at Aragon is LLLOOONGGG! They are going to need all the the topend speed they can muster if they want to run midpack. This should be a real test for the new improved ZTL2 as well. | ||
| Firstbuell |
this worldwide overfill business has me REALLY looking forward to improved performances at the next races in both SBK & AMA Pro | ||
| Hughlysses |
More on the testing: http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/hero-ebr-world -superbike-team-to-test-ahead-of-round-two-of-worl d-championship/ | ||
| Trojan |
All the top WSBK teams have been testing at jerez this week, with Ducati on top by quite a margin. 1 34 Davide Giugliano Ducati 1199 1:41.056 2 7 Chaz Davies Ducati 1199 1:41.468 3 1 Tom Sykes Kawasaki ZX-10R 1:41.545 4 65 Jonathan Rea Honda CBR1000RR 1:41.624 5 50 Sylvain Guintoli Aprilia RSV4 1:41.754 6 22 Alex Lowes Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:41.821 7 33 Marco Melandri Aprilia RSV4 1:41.905 8 76 Loris Baz Kawasaki ZX-10R 1:41.932 9 91 Leon Haslam Honda CBR1000RR 1:42.153 10 58 Eugene Laverty Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:42.648 11 44 David Salom Kawasaki ZX-10R EVO 1:43.642 Pity EBR weren't at the same test to get a better idea of their progress against the top runners. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Pity EBR weren't at the same test to get a better idea of their progress against the top runners. Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2014 - 11:31 am: Posted to Facebook this morning: Team Hero EBR wrote: Geoff and Aaron will be testing some new parts at Alcarras in Spain on Monday and Tuesday. Full update and pre-Aragon release to come this weekend. So what happened. Did the plane go missing? Rocket in England | ||
| Trojan |
different track unfortunately. Most of the field are testing at jerex while EBR are at Alcarras apparently (although I haven't heard any results from there yet). I really don't get the benefit of testing at a differeint track to the rest of the field, and at a track that is not used for WSB competiton at that. Alcarras is basically a club circuit rather like Croft or Cadwell Park, and really won't give EBR a huge amount of data that is useful at the next round (or any other round come to that) other than general comparitives to things they take to the test. So they can compare forks or electronics etc with their own kit, but that is it. I feel they have lost an importent opportunity to test alongside the leading WSB teams at jerez this week, where they would have learned more I'm sure  I'm sure we will see what the gap is when we get to Aragon and will be able to judge if they have made any improvement since PI. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Matt, I saw it was a different track. Such makes me lose interest almost instantly in EBR's efforts. If they can't get involved where they should be they're not serious about winning or even trying. It's looking more like a publicity stunt given EBR seem happy once again not to be testing where they really ought to be. Testing at a club circuit is stupid at this stage of the season. More so when they could have been at the official test. Maybe EBR feel out of their depth, and don't want humiliating at tests as well as races? Rocket in England | ||
| Classax |
That or they want to test at a circuit where they have more control of the track ops, or perhaps test at a circuit the riders have ridden before so as to eliminate rider learning curve on the impact on the results of the new parts or perhaps they want to test at a circuit that is more apt to test specific areas. I could go on but the point is the team has a plan and they are sticking to it. They are focused on developing the bike through racing not just racing. | ||
| Hughlysses |
+1 to what Classax said. Any time I see somebody who should be much smarter than me doing something that doesn't look smart, I assume I'm missing something until proven otherwise. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Posted to Team Hero/EBR FB page today:
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| Rocket_in_uk |
Any time I see somebody who should be much smarter than me doing something that doesn't look smart, I assume I'm missing something until proven otherwise. Anytime I see somebody who should be much smarter than me doing something that doesn't look smart, I'm reminded of an old Yorkshire saying. "More brains than common sense". Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
That or they want to test at a circuit where they have more control of the track ops, or perhaps test at a circuit the riders have ridden before so as to eliminate rider learning curve on the impact on the results of the new parts or perhaps they want to test at a circuit that is more apt to test specific areas. I could go on but the point is the team has a plan and they are sticking to it. They are focused on developing the bike through racing not just racing. Oh I'm sure you're right but I agree with Matt. I really don't get the benefit of testing at a different track to the rest of the field, and at a track that is not used for WSB competition at that. I feel they have lost an important opportunity to test alongside the leading WSB teams at jerez this week, where they would have learned more I'm sure Rocket in England | ||
| Trojan |
if they are testing at a different circuit on the 7th it can really only really be that they were simply not ready to test at the same circuit/time as the others, so have booked the only circuit that was available to them at short notice. I certainly don't think that either of the EBR contracted riders have every ridden at Alcarras before so that won't be the reason. This just makes me think that they are still up against it in terms of development, having had plenty of time since the first round to fix whatever ailed them in Australia. | ||
| Trojan |
Day two test times from jerez..... 1 34 Davide Giugliano Ducati 1199 1:40.166 2 76 Loris Baz Kawasaki ZX-10R 1:40.283 3 1 Tom Sykes Kawasaki ZX-10R 1:40.3* 4 65 Jonathan Rea Honda CBR1000RR 1:40.731 5 7 Chaz Davies Ducati 1199 1:40.745 6 50 Sylvain Guintoli Aprilia RSV4 1:41.192 7 33 Marco Melandri Aprilia RSV4 1:41.201 8 58 Eugene Laverty Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:41.377 9 91 Leon Haslam Honda CBR1000RR 1:41.453 10 22 Alex Lowes Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:42.123 11 44 David Salom Kawasaki ZX-10R EVO 1:44.181 Ducati seem to have got their act together muchbetter than last year in testing at least. Wonder if they can translate that to race wins? * Tom Sykes didn't have a transponder fitted so his time is 'approximate'. | ||
| Jaimec |
EBR is working on their Oscillation Overthruster; a device that is not specifically banned by Dorna. Best to test said device where other prying eyes can't witness their progress. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Some people race take the field. Some people stand on the sidelines and yell what they think everyone else is doing wrong. Of the two, I'd shake the hand of the one who tried, regardless of if they succeeded. | ||
| Trojan |
Of the two, I'd shake the hand of the one who tried, regardless of if they succeeded. having been there and done that, I'd shake the hand of the one who tried and succeeded  | ||
| Crusty |
I guess nobody is shaking your hand, then? | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
If it were Bimota or MV testing at some oddball track, and not taking part in the official test at the track they're about to race at, the comments here would mirror those of Matt and I. Again I agree with Matt. EBR can't be ready. Any other reason would make no sense. Rocket in England | ||
| Classax |
Matt and Rocket its becoming clear that  's and  's have a different way of viewing and approaching things. That may be all there is to it, LOL. Over the years I've learned however, "If a man doesn't know what he doesn't know, leave him be, for he may be a fool" If he doesn't know he what knows, help him, If he knows what he doesn't know, teach him and if he knows what he knows, learn from him" It remains to be seen which of the four the EBR/HERO WSBK effort falls into, but there sure are a lot of gents who fall in that last category assembled on this team. GO EBR | ||
| Elvis |
Here's a crazy, wacky theory. Maybe it has something to do with giving this:  as much time to heal as possible before putting lot of stress on it. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Matt and Rocket its becoming clear that US and UK have a different way of viewing and approaching things. Yep, when it comes to WSBK Britain is a major player on and off the bike. Be sure to adjust your viewing and approach accordingly  Rocket in England | ||
| Court |
So Donnington is a good place to watch a race? | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Well, I haven't been to Donington since Rossi fell off! Last year saw a return to racing since they remodelled the track somewhat, and the spectating areas. Both for the better I believe. Not that it was bad before. It wasn't. The public toilets were a different matter however! The infield viewing is fantastic. Sitting on the grass overlooking Craner Curves and the Old Hairpin gives a spectacular view. Or stood on the banking between Coppice and Fogarty Esses is good too. You are close to the bikes here. I suspect you'll be in hospitality, which no doubt will give you a great view wherever you are. You will be there long enough to enjoy not just the racing, so you will find time to explore anyway. Donington is a fantastic circuit the fans love. http://www.donington-park.co.uk/ A quick must read. http://www.donington-park.co.uk/about-donington/to m-wheatcroft/ Do not rush your visit. Take at least an hour or two to visit the Grand Prix collection. http://www.donington-park.co.uk/about-donington/th e-donington-grand-prix-collection/ Yourself and Erik should call Stuart Garner. Norton are next door at Donington Hall. http://www.nortonmotorcycles.com/news/category/nor ton-motorcycles-news/norton-technology-centre/ Rocket in England | ||
| Trojan |
I guess nobody is shaking your hand, then? I won't bore you with history, but as the only team to win a championship in the UK with a Buell I think we succeeded in what we set out to do thanks What I meant was that anyone with enough money can come last in a WSB race (and that is not a criticism of EBR but a plain fact). There are teams and racers in WSB, AMA and BSB that have made a career from spending big money trailing around getting in other peoples way (Pedecini kawasaki,Johnny Rock Page, Aaron Zanetti to name but 3), and if you have a big enough budget you can enter a team in WSB and spedn lots of money trailing around being uncompetitive. It proves nothing and is not a mark of success. As Rocket also says, MV and Bimota remain unproven in WSB as well at the moment although both have been testing heavily and MV were at Jerez (although released no times). I don't see anyone here championing their cause particularly and saying that just to get on the grid should be judged a success? Winning or getting into the top 5 is another matter entirely and that is what I would judge to be a success at that level. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Isn't the EBR WSBK crew chief Italian? No need to re-start the Revolutionary War over this.  | ||
| Crusty |
As Rocket also says, MV and Bimota remain unproven in WSB as well at the moment although both have been testing heavily and MV were at Jerez (although released no times). I don't see anyone here championing their cause particularly and saying that just to get on the grid should be judged a success? Of course not; this is a Buell/EBR enthusiasts forum. Nobody here is championing KTMs successes, either. However, I do think you are judging a new team with a new motorcycle more than a little harshly. As you say, nobody is releasing Bimota's times; yet they're racing using an engine developed by someone else. Why aren't you bagging on them? Do you remember the ELF GP bikes a few decades ago? They never finished worth a damn, yet the motorcycle press was wildly supportive of their various attempts at alternate chassis and steering concepts and designs. You're judging EBR before you have enough information to make a judgment. Do you expect any new team to kick ass in their first attempt? Hell, even Rossi didn't start winning world titles his first year, and he joined an established team with a large amount of experience. Winning or getting into the top 5 is another matter entirely and that is what I would judge to be a success at that level. So what you're saying is that any new team that doesn't get into the top 5 is a failure? How about older, established teams? when are they successes? Are they successes only when they win? In that case, the whole paddock is filled with losers, because nobody wins all the time.(Although Ben Spies did a pretty good job of it the year he raced in WSBK) We're a bunch of EBR enthusiasts here. We support Erik, the Elves and the Racing Team. We're hoping to see significant improvement as the season progresses, but we're realistic enough to not get our expectations too high. There will be failures and mistakes, as well, but we'll keep pulling for "Our Guys". I grew up in the Greater Boston area, and have watched the Red Sox most of my life. For 86 years, they couldn't win a World Series, but the fans never gave up hope. When they finally won in 2004, the joy was overwhelming. Once EBR get the team/bike/ racers sorted, we'll get to experience that joy on our own venue. | ||
| Trojan |
Nobody here is championing KTMs successes, either. However, I do think you are judging a new team with a new motorcycle more than a little harshly. As you say, nobody is releasing Bimota's times; KTM don't race in WSb and Bimota haven't even tested yet worth talking about (one private test in Italy so far this week only). When/If they do arrive in the series, and if they don't start to run at the front of the EVo bikes then they will not be a success, period. Do you expect any new team to kick ass in their first attempt? Hell, even Rossi didn't start winning world titles his first year, and he joined an established team with a large amount of experience. I don't expect any new team to win straight away, and that is not what I suggested. What I am saying is that just turning up and appearing in WSb should not be judged a success either. How do you judge success? turning up and finishing last or at least fighting for a win? Rossi actually finished a very close second in his very first MotoGP/500cc season adn won the next year. His record in almost every class was learn one year win the next. Do you think EBR can replicate that? So what you're saying is that any new team that doesn't get into the top 5 is a failure? How about older, established teams? when are they successes? Are they successes only when they win? In that case, the whole paddock is filled with losers, because nobody wins all the time. I'm not saying a new team should win straight away, nor am I suggesting that we should all be jumping about and slapping each other on the back on the basis of one race where actually EBR didn't do very well all things considered. The sad fact is that racing is a harsh environment and the paddock is full of losers with very few winners. Who was it said that second is the first loser? Once EBR get the team/bike/ racers sorted, we'll get to experience that joy on our own venue. Once they get the bike/riders sorted (something that should have been sorted before the season started) we will be able to judge if they are going to be a success or not. At the moment it is too early to say either way. |
