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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 03:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=10265

I mean with his ability to garner attention, you'd think they would be all over the fact that Jordan is involved in AMA Pro Racing.

Why aren't they?

This should be HUGE for motorcycling. Up to now, it's pretty much been a non-issue.

Bigotry in AMAPR?
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 03:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

More on Jordan's involvement in motorcycle road racing. This has gotta be really really good for the sport...

http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=10274

Maybe finally moto racing in America will have a chance to step up to the level it enjoys in the rest of the developed world.
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BadS1
Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 08:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hes out there so he can promote his Jumpman clothing line.That was told to my brother actually while they were staying at there hotel where my brother has a condo in Elkhart Lake.It came out of one his peoples mouths.That weekend the guys from Jackass,the shows thats on MTV put hundreds of Jackass stickers all over his Ferarri.When I seen the car Sunday at the races it was already detailed.LOL
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Glitch
Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 08:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't get it.
He puts on pair of underware and they start selling like crazy.
He drinks a Coke and sales go way up.
He puts on a pair of shoes and kids are killing each other over them.
Looks as tough anything he puts his name on turns to gold, but in the US if it has something to do with sport bikes you don't hear anything about it outside the circle?
Bettcha if he started "building" choppers, they'd line up for 'em.
Hopefully I'm getting ahead of myself and the US will see sport biking as a true sport and not a dangerous fringe group of hooligans.
Can you tell I'm jealous of the crowds of people you see at any other track outside of the US?
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Buckinfubba
Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 09:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

maybe if he had a rider that would actually place the bike somewhere it would make a difference.

montez sits out with an injury at road america and pascal picotte gets on the bike and places 8th, whats the best montez has done?

its sad but it kinda looks like a tax right of for mister jordan.

sometimes it does come down to substance, and right now his team is runnin pretty low on that

and unless pridmore is part of the team for real, instead of just an advertisement, none of this will make a splash. its just throwing his money around.

you have to get in the ring and play.

I had high hopes for this but he ain't doing nuthin to promote it.

hey micheal put your mug on the tv and do the promotion

(Message edited by buckinfubba on August 17, 2004)
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 09:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Brian,
Did you read the 2nd article?

Dana,
Every sponsor is out to promote their wares. Why should Jordan be any different.
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BadS1
Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 09:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I supose but what does High top tennis shoes and warm up suits and the like got to do with motorcycle racing???This ain't Space Jam!!!! TH TH THA THA Thats all folks.
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Midknyte
Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 11:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe he'll star in a an animated movie with cartoon motorcycles. No wait, that's been done. Torque...
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 11:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jordans heart isnt in it. He doesnt do this type of venture because he likes winning, he does it because he has a super sized ego & likes to see his name in print.

Look at Joe Gibbs, why is that everything the man touches turns to gold? Wins NFL championships, then gets into Nascar & gets not 1 but 2 championships. Gibbs does it because he puts his heart & soul into it. Winning is what drives him. Anything less is unacceptable.
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Cyclonemick
Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 11:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would dare to say to Michael Jordan likes winning too, How many rings does he have (6). And a couple of gold metals to boot. I'm sure Michael puts alot of enthusiam into his racing program but we don't see it because it's not mainstream.
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 11:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Its a toy for him, like his little baseball stint or being the president of the wizards.

His heart isnt into it like it should be.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 01:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mr. Negative speaks again.

If you cannot say something nice about someone, then it is better to say nothing at all.

Treat others as you would have them treat you.
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 01:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How many basketball players are running the Prostreet Bike circuit now? Yet the biggest influence for the Prostreet bike circuit is still Angele. This is Jordan's first season at this game. He is attacking it with caution. He did it right for the first season. Now that he has seen upclose and personal what it is going to take to be a real team owner and sponser he is shopping for the next step. Montez was a great choice of rider, why because it will cost less to have him run. This year was to establish the name in the sport, put the preverbial foot in the door. I expect to see more out of him next year and the year after that as a true business outing.
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Ebear
Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 03:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I repectfully disagree Dyna!As Wycked said,this is his first year and if you caught the little piece on TWT tonight you might give the guy some slack!He's a guy with the ability to buy or do anything he wants to,has nothing to prove, and is sampling everything that interests him.After going to Daytona he said he was so jazzed by the 'energy/commotion and interaction involved in this level of racing that he decided to alter his(extremely full) schedule to attend all the Races.Unalterable plans probably kept him from Seca but I saw him at all the races I attended this year and I found he was VERY approachable and acted like an excited newbie fan rather than an advertising horse or team owner.We met "Tez" at Fontana at the Dave and Busters the night we had our Brag meeting there.Once you got past his homies and talked to him he was kinda unnassuming.Once we caught him at his garage or pit area and he could talk openly you found he was a VERY likable and open guy and was very appreciative to be sponsored by anybody,never mind Michael Jordan!He seemed to be giving his all to live up to these expectations and breaking his wrist in Colorado was a huge dissapointment and Ill bet he beat himself up over it.If you follow RoadRacing News you might have read the statement by Pridmore about Michael helping him out seemingly"just because".Jordans complete interview should air on Speed in the next couple of weeks.Ill BET if you view it with a non-jaundiced eye you may alter your opinion!Tez WAS a great choice but according to him HE asked Jordan to sponsor him,Not the other way around.Before that I dont believe Jordan was involved in racing like this.Compared to his other interests this will probably COST him rather than profit,and there just isnt a big enough fan base to benefit any other way.In fact this just may bring more people into this sport and I feel the more people involved,the more attention and support we'll benefit from.
...just my 2 cents....
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 06:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Once againI give my opinion & you attack me, yet others have said the same thing & not 1 word?

maybe if he had a rider that would actually place the bike somewhere it would make a difference.

montez sits out with an injury at road america and pascal picotte gets on the bike and places 8th, whats the best montez has done?

its sad but it kinda looks like a tax right of for mister jordan.

sometimes it does come down to substance, and right now his team is runnin pretty low on that

and unless pridmore is part of the team for real, instead of just an advertisement, none of this will make a splash. its just throwing his money around.

you have to get in the ring and play.

I had high hopes for this but he ain't doing nuthin to promote it.


Its a toy to get him out of the house. He would rather sit around smoke cigars & sign autographs for basketball fans.
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Davegess
Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 07:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Check our superbikepalent.com for their take onMr. jordan.
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Buckinfubba
Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 08:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dyna I think the difference is that I didn't claim to know where his heart is. I said it was a business decision.
But I feel with all his celbrity power he could have spoke out more in the mainstream press about it. and yes they would have printed it because he is Jordan.
I idn't expect him to win this year or even get a podium, but I did expect more.
there are other privateers out there doing much better than his team and they get no press, and thats just wrong, ...so his celebrity was used but not by him.

he needs to help bring this sport into the mainstream himself, because the results his team has got, when written about are nothing to right home about, and that is what the public , that doesn't understand is hearing.

I am just saying he ain't doing enuff, I still think his involvement is a good thing , as long as he puts his face and name out there to help this sport that he himself likes.
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Gravedigger
Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 08:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake,
Speed television anounced last night on Two Wheeled Tuesday that they will have a 1/2 hour interview with Jordan on next weeks show.

Dyna,
I think that any attention that Jordan can bring to our sport (a small amount or a large) will have nothing but positive affects on it. Whether or not it is a toy to him, If it encourages one individual to join our sport, he has had a positive affect.
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 09:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Grave, i agree that any publicity he can bring is great. But considering his wealth & what he could bring to the table, he is not going balls out like Joe Gibbs did.

If you are going to play, then play to win.
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Sandblast
Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 11:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is everybody just being really polite and ignoring one really obvious reason for Jordan to have picked Montez as a rider? Not to be the guy to say the King has no clothes, but I mean... you know. And I am going to venture a guess and say the bike and crew basically are competitive, because of AMA rules being what they are. He got his rider and his equipment and went racing, probably had a lot of fun, and maybe he got the bug and we will see more out of him next year. The only thing he could have done different to "win" would have been a different rider, and looking at the field I don't think, for his first year anyway, there was anybody quite as personally interesting to Mr. Jordan. Which is fine with me.
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Gravedigger
Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 01:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dyna,
I agree he should play to win, that is the major goal of all sports. To have winners we must first have participants. Is his contibution any less to our sport if he does not win? the Harley Davidson VR1000 project brought alot of new faces to our sport. How many times did they win?
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 03:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nope the choice of Montez has more to do with the fact Jordan already knew him. Already knew he raced and had no problem helping him get more tracktime then he already could get all the while using him as a test run to see what it would take to really participate in the sport.
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Davegess
Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 10:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Typed that link wrong www.superbikeplanet.com Very good comments on jordon. Thye take him seriously and if they do I do, very good site
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 11:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Envy is an insidious thing.

Preponderance and history Greg. Cease all objections. Simply reply as follows:

"Yes my master in all things, I shall seek the light."
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 11:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jordan is a winner's winner. Simple as that. In anything competitive, do not count him out, and never ever underestimate his will to succeed. He is certainly not the type to want to sit at home smoking cigars. All things in time. Did you expect him to win the first time out of the blocks? : ? It's all good. Absolutely nothing bad about Michael Jordan sponsoring an AMA Pro Racing team. It's ALL good. No downside, all upside.
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BadS1
Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 11:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Lets just see if he stays with it.He really hasn't stood still with anything since the Bull's for anything long term.If his clothing doesn't generate profits through cycle racing he'll move on.
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 11:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As Dana points out, Jordan quits everything he gets into. How many times did he retire & then un retire? Bulls player, not a Bulls player, Bulls player, not a Bulls player, Baseball player, not a baseball player, wizards president, not wizards president, wizards player, not a wizards player, wizards president, not wizards president.

Not envious at all Blake, but I would like to see the man stick to one thing for a period of time & dont go back on his word.
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BadS1
Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 11:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Like the saying goe's.....

It's nothing personal it's just business!!!!
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 12:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Some people cannot stand the success and accomplishments of others. They try to make themselves feel better through derision and criticism of others. Pathetic.
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 02:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

wizards president, not wizards president, wizards player, not a wizards player, wizards president, not wizards president.

You can not be a team owner or officer and a player at the same time. Had he been allowed to be prez and player at the same time he would have done so. Yes this is a business venture. With that in mind its safe to say if there ends up being no money in it he isn't going to keep taking a loss. I think we should however wait until such a time happens. He is already showing that he is willing to take the next step and secure sponsorship of a "winning" rider or two.
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