| Author | Message | ||
     Bob_thompson |
Thanks Blake, I thought I was loosing it. THIS year will also be "stellar" Fuzzz. (Message edited by Bob_thompson on January 26, 2012) | ||
| Bads1 |
Thanks Blake I was going to post pretty much the same but thought I'd get scolded again. I may be wrong but BMW is new to sportbike racing in the last couple year. They may have done everything Court has listed. | ||
| Reepicheep |
BMW had some DNF's that I recall. That's not to say its not a great bike, it is. It's just to say that what EBR and Geoff May pulled off were nothing short of remarkable. | ||
| Bads1 |
Reep, Remember.... BMW had more bikes in the field also and they started from the beginning of a season rather a late entry with a new bike. | ||
| Blake |
>>> I may be wrong but BMW is new to sportbike racing in the last couple years. They may have done everything Court has listed. Larry Pegram finished out of the top ten twice on the BMW last year, the first year for the BMW in AMA SBK. Nor was the BMW a new bike last year; 2012 marks the fourth year for BMW in WSBK. | ||
| Bads1 |
Yes Blake like I said was Peagram the only rider. Second BMW started at the beginning of a season with the bike. EBR 1190 was a late entry. Doesn't make a difference to me really. I'd love to see a couple different Italian makes come back and wish US Honda would get there heads out of there ARSES and see that AMA racing is actually getting better every year and they are missing the boat. | ||
| Xb1125r |
Honda has placed all their cookies in MotoGP. its always good to diversify in any business. the minute you commit to only one you can get burned. If Stoner leaves Honda for what ever reason, they are done becuase Danny is not going to win a championship. peronally I would not consider a Honda, they can't beat the other 2 japanese brands in AMA or WSK. I hate to say it but I would actually own a kawazaki before a honda. | ||
| Bads1 |
Actually Honda has not placed all there cookies in moto GP. Honda of Japan makes the decision for Moto GP. Honda US makes it for AMA. And the reason Honda doesn't win is basically they haven't had great riders or the best. Suzuki and Yamaha have. And that is changing because the rider base is changing as well with tons of new talent up and coming. | ||
| Blake |
Dana said: >>> I may be wrong but BMW is new to sportbike racing in the last couple years. They may have done everything (finished top ten in all races) Court has listed. Blake responded: Larry Pegram finished out of the top ten twice on the BMW last year, the first year for the BMW in AMA SBK. Nor was the BMW a new bike last year; 2012 marks the fourth year for BMW in WSBK. Dana replies: >>> Yes Blake like I said was Peagram the only rider. Second BMW started at the beginning of a season with the bike.  Are you ok? You don't seem yourself. | ||
| Trojan |
Honda has placed all their cookies in MotoGP. its always good to diversify in any business. the minute you commit to only one you can get burned. If Stoner leaves Honda for what ever reason, they are done becuase Danny is not going to win a championship. peronally I would not consider a Honda, they can't beat the other 2 japanese brands in AMA or WSK. Honda have spent a fortune on the WSB team over the winter and ar ein effect a factory team even though they run under the Tem Kate banner. 2011 was a bd year for them mainly due to Jonathan Rea's injuries and the lack of a competitive team mate. Honda hired Philip Island for a private 3 day test just for Jonathan Rea and Hiroshi Aoyama last week. The (enormous) bill for hiring the circuit, flying all the kit and crew etc from Europe + rider expenses was paid directly by Honda and not Ten Kate. Likewiae all the development into the new 2012 CBR1000RR WSB machine has been lead and paid for directly by Honda. Aoyama is paid by HRC and not by the team, and I think that Rea has a similar arrangement in place. Don't write off Honda in WSB, or even AMA if they decide to participate. They showed last year in MotoGP that when they really want to win something money isn't an object. If Honda decided to run a full factory backed team in AMA racing I wouldn't bet against them winning (again). | ||
| Smoke |
point of reference: last year Geoff raced the 1125RR for the first part of the season and the 1190RS for the last 2 races if i remember correctly. the 1190RR is going to provide E B R, Geoff and Danny a much better platform this year. Best Luck!! | ||
| Xb1125r |
Ducati bike won WSB last year without being a factory bike. I think that proves a rider has to do alot and also that Ducati is the bike to beat. | ||
| Bads1 |
Blake I'm just fine. | ||
| Firstbuell |
well, I'm not fine..... we still don't know about Danny's funding and the EBR team[s!] haven't tested enuf (Message edited by firstbuell on January 27, 2012) | ||
| Jetbuilder |
The Dukati was a factory bike. I know they said it was not but the fact is its the same bile larry Pegram used with the exception of the WSB required specs. Meening it was a factory built F08. I think that is the designation. At no time was Chekas bike a race preeped 1198. I remember several comentators commenting on how it was that so manny "Factory" engineers mechanics and personel were in the pits with Cheka | ||
| Trojan |
The Dukati was a factory bike. I know they said it was not but the fact is its the same bile larry Pegram used with the exception of the WSB required specs. Meening it was a factory built F08. I think that is the designation. At no time was Chekas bike a race preeped 1198. I remember several comentators commenting on how it was that so manny "Factory" engineers mechanics and personel were in the pits with Cheka Checa's bike (and team) were effectively the Xerox factory team rebadged for 2011 and it was definitely a full fat factory bike and factory effort. However it was nothing like Pegrams bike in AMA racing, which was a 'customer' race bike and definitly NOT a factory bike like Checa has. There is a big difference, and there are probably only 5 '1098' models of the same spec bikes as Checa has in existence. All of these live in Italy, with the possible exception of the bikes used in BSB last year (although I strongly suspect that they are also just customer variants)  | ||
| Rocketsprink |
I heard ktm is back in the ama sbk series. Guess some that were making fun of their exit need to be a little less quick to judge. | ||
| Trojan |
I heard ktm is back in the ama sbk series. Guess some that were making fun of their exit need to be a little less quick to judge. I think they only reason they pulled out was lack of sponsorship. If they have a sponsor step up they have everything else in place ready to go I assume? Roadracing world has a very brief mention that they have confirmed participation this year here http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?artic le=47133 but very sparse on detail. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Tpthhhth. I can poke fun at them all I want. Good on them for coming back to compete, I want them in the series, and will even root for them to come in ahead of any of the inline fours. The bad news is their race effort is during the summer, which based on my buddies with KTM's experience ordering parts, means you have to wait a month till everyone at the factory comes back from holiday. I can see the press release now.. we are going to miss Mid Ohio because we cracked a triple clamp top, and nobody at the factory will answer the phone until September.  | ||
| Blake |
Cool, BadWeB successfully goaded KTM back into AMA SBK!  Right on Reep! Great to see then back in the fray! The more the better, especially twin cylinder machines. The weight penalty still needs to go away. What are the IL4 teams afraid of that they need a lower allowable minimum weight? Answer: They are afraid of getting beat by the likes of Ducati, EBR, and KTM. | ||
| Xb1125r |
I doubt KTM would treat their customers like that and have no one left at work to help customers | ||
| Reepicheep |
I'm poking fun Xb... but there really are parts problems. One riding buddy has a KTM 520 (I think), the other a 400 something. Both the MX bikes without e-start. Both outstanding bikes (if you must suffer a four-stroke dirt bike  ). Both had experiences last summer where they needed a part, contacted the local KTM dealer (a good one, they are my Kawasaki parts source as well) and were told "I'll order it today, but be warned it could be a month or two till it gets here, I'm really sorry about that". One stuck with the dealer for the parts he needed, the other went online to a big KTM distributor. Both did indeed end up waiting about a month. This was *especially* fun for me to give them &^&% over beers... as it was the same time period I had to go order a literal grocery list of parts to repair my crashed Uly. My discontinued bike from a shut down company went from "place parts order to parts in hand" in exactly 1 week for a whole stack of parts. They each needed one part, and waited a month. I didn't tell them about the 1 month wait for my airbox cover... as it turns out I didn't really need it anyway, and because I didn't want to ruin a good story to poke fun at the fast orange bikes. I also have a lot of fun on our dirt rides... where I limply and casually kick over my KDX-200 and have it roar to life on the second kick, while the guy on the 520 is about to burst an artery trying to get the big orange &^&^% restarted. We have all learned to start it, as no one person can keep restarting it during a whole ride without wearing out. There is a fine art to popping the compression release shut as you kick it over. And fine art doesn't get done when you are exhausted and sliding down a muddy Kentucky hillside. So I'm exaggerating to poke fun... all in good sport. KTM is my second favorite brand racing in Superbike this year, and if I could have afforded a KTM 350 two stroke, I would have bought one. (Though in hindsight, I'm not sure its actually any better than a nicely tweaked out KDX-200, which is a bike better than the sum of it's parts). | ||
| Bads1 |
Answer: They are afraid of getting beat by the likes of Ducati, EBR, and KTM. I doubt it blake.lol | ||
| Ulyranger |
Nothing wrong with Big K's KDX200 Reep. Rode one many moons ago, very good, reliable machine. (coming from an 450exc rider) I view KTM's return a good thing as well.....rock on twins! | ||
| Rex |
now if we can get bmw, ktm, ebr, ducati to go after the flat track title too. HD has had a long enough run at Flat track. | ||
| Blake |
Dana, Of course they are. Why else would they want a weight advantage? The bikes make comparable power. | ||
| Xb1125r |
I don't think you would want to place bikes with the caliber of ebr to compete against HD, it would be a joke. HD would put some limit so the buells don't embarrase them | ||
| Bads1 |
If you say so Blake.Its called the EBR was under weight. It needed to gain weight. The KTM was under weight. They had to pull the Magnesium race wheels off and use cast alloy stock wheels. | ||
| Bads1 |
BTW If memory serves the weight rules have changed a bit and I think I could be wrong the EBR fits the bill this year. | ||
| Blake |
>>> Its called the EBR was under weight. No, it's called a weight penalty for twin cylinder machines. >>> The KTM was under weight. They had to pull the Magnesium race wheels off and use cast alloy stock wheels. Poor choice by KTM. Better would have been to add some ballast in a more optimum location. >>> BTW If memory serves the weight rules have changed a bit and I think I could be wrong the EBR fits the bill this year. You are right! That is some big news!
This is shaping up to be a better racing season for EBR with every new fact learned! I think they may still need 5 LBs of ballast to be safe, but that's a heck of a lot better than 20 or 25! |
