| Author | Message | ||
     Not_purple_s2 |
Need some advice from the racers out there. I've been riding my 2003 XB9S on the track and got the bug. After doing a few track days I got tired of getting passed and not being able to pass slower riders on faster bikes on the straights. Granted I was riding in Novice so no passing in the corners. So I decided to snatch up a 1125CR when I found a good deal. Unfortunately this only allowed me to crash faster. It was nice to be able to get around the slower riders and have more room to improve. But I think the better course would have been to move up to Intermediate and maybe buying a dedicated XB track bike, possibly a 12R. I just didn't think I was fast enough to move up since I kept getting passed on the straights and didn't have the drive to pass back. I'd also like to try racing. I don't think I'm quite there yet. I wanted to get in several more track days this year and then try next year. The CR doesn't seem a wise choice for this either. I'd only be able to run in HWT or Class A in WERA and I don't want to jump right into the deep-end like that. So I'm trying to decide either dedicate the 9 or the CR to the track. Or sell/trade the CR for an XB track/race bike. I don't know if I'd want to keep the CR for a daily rider. There's too many horror stories of stators and the like and I don't need the extra power on the street really. And it's not ideal for commuting since our civic gets better mpg. To those that have ran the XB's was there much improvement from the 9 to the 12 on the track? Would it be worth selling the 9 or CR to get a 12R or would the 9 be just as good? I was running 1:45's on the XB9S at Jennings and I was pretty consistant there. The fast recorded lap on the CR was 1:43 but I think I went faster on laps without a timer. The push button timer on the CR was too distracting. What do you guys think? Maybe I'm just too worried about taking the CR out again after this really expensive crash. Anyone have a nice 12R track/race bike they want to trade for a CR? (Message edited by Not_purple_S2 on February 23, 2011) | ||
| Paint_shaker |
A modified 9 and a stock 12 should be close performance wise. The suspensions should be near the same. I'd opt for an XB (either 9 or 12) as a track/race bike. Little easier on the wallet than the 1125 and the XB will force you to concentrate on hitting the corners right every time. Not really sure what my first lap times were when I started at Jennings, but I am pretty sure they were about the same as yours. The novice class is a great introduction to the track. But it can become frustrating real quick if you are a fast learner. My advice; once you are comfortable holding your line and are consistent, ask to bump to the intermediate class. Most track days allow passing in the corners on the outside. This will let you learn what it is like to be passed and to do some passing. It should also help you push your braking points. Nothing more thrilling than outbraking somebody going into a corner!!! I wish I could have been there this past weekend, but the backwards day on March 5 will allow me to practice for the Roebling race. If you are able to come out on March 5, I'll be more than happy to help you out. If you have any other JGP specific questions shoot me a PM. If your serious about trading for an XB12 let me know. | ||
| Xoptimizedrsx |
PM sent I really have what you are looking for... Built for the track xb12R. With chain drive,race springs and valving adjusted front & rear and more already ready done. Has new top end. Including pistons(xb9) rings,valves,springs, pushrods and ect. uses stock xb12 crank and primary. with only one 8 lap practice and one sprint race on it after the full rebuild. Ask paintshaker about how well it runs and rides.He is the only one whom has raced it. Even ask KDfab (Kevin Drummer) He has seen it as well as other on here. It's a very good bike made just for the track. wife will not let me on track. Therefore, the bike just sits and gets started up every now and then. Race prep and ready. I am located aprox two hours south of Jennings. | ||
| Not_purple_s2 |
I'm really thinking that the XB would suit me better. I've really enjoyed my 9. Considering that on my last day at Jennings with her I was able to hold with the 600's until turn 2 before they started moving away, I think that with some more practice and a bit more "umph" I could run with the big boys alright. The XB platform seem more solid to me and I wouldn't be as worried if I had to tear it down. The crash on the CR bent the shaft rod and since that entailed really getting into the motor I had to take it to the dealer-> $$$$! If that had happened to the XB9 I think I would have torn the motor down myself. It's probably not so big a difference in reality but to me it is. | ||
| Xoptimizedrsx |
yeah I am not familiar with the 1125 engine either. If it was an xb engine. poof done in a flash. the 600's dont pull laird back there much at all on his or My bike but i see all the xb9 bikes get pulled pretty good there as well. Most before turn 2 but all after turn 2. You will like a 12 better on the track. I have street clothes for it as well. lights and all. Just never had the inspection done for new title once built. | ||
| Slaughter |
You really should look at the class structures in your race organization. The 2-valve, air-cooled bikes GENERALLY can run more classes, but GENERALLY, Twins classes are KEWL! DO NOT BASE ANY DECISIONS on track days or novice races. Base decisions on where you'll want to race in Expert. Out here, I can run the XB in 5 classes, the 1125R in 3 | ||
| Slaughter |
Oh and the 12 might be better - but better YET is the bored-out 9 (1169cc) - if you got the bux, it'll give you an engine that revs to 8,000 INSTANTLY and on pump gas gives you reliable 105HP and 80ft-lb but throttle response is where it really shines. I took a 12 out once to help a friend with chassis setup and couldn't believe how "sluggish" the throttle felt. | ||
| Xoptimizedrsx |
pump up compression on the 12 a tad and it revs the same... IMO simple to do, Have heads decked .030 and ported, toss in all metal gaskets to proper fit, hit it with high end valves, springs and seats, adjust push rods by using better tappets and drop in xb9 pistons. Then remap fuel to match on the bike on the track. Thats how mine is done. My XB12 spins up just as fast as My xb9 now. why bother with all the work when you can get one with 14 laps on it already done,with race suspension and prepped for the track with extras by trading out. A win win I can further work on 1125 ecu development in the Tunerpro that way.. A Greater good for all at that point. Xopti (Message edited by xoptimizedrsx on February 23, 2011) | ||
| Slaughter |
Yabbut I took 3 pounds out of the flywheels. Don't think that you can spin up the longer stroke motor with lightened flywheels. THAT being said, the 12 will give you more poop out of the box with no more weight and handles the same. I just like the fact that I'm able to get almost 40 races out of my engine and then ONLY check the top end. Probalby got over 120 races on it now. | ||
| Paint_shaker |
AN XB is legal in the following WERA classes; LWTSB, F2, HWTSS and SB (SS=stock, SB=Superbike), C SS (600) and SB, maybe B SS and SB (up to 1000cc twins), A SS and SB (ulimited oem displacement. Think liter bikes), F1 (unlimited displacement), any of the 2 "senior" classes (HWT, MWT & LWT) and any of the 3 Solo classes (HWT, MWT & LWT). It is very competive in LWTSB, F2 and LWT Solo. I was able to put it mid pack in C SS novice (600s) at Jennings. Best lap time was a 1.25 and change. HWT Twins is mostly a ghost class. Though you have to be prepared for a Ducati 1098 to show up! All on the belt drive. Superstock= No internal engine mods. Superbike= Internal engine mods. Allowed in LWTSB in SS trim. (Message edited by Paint shaker on February 23, 2011) | ||
| Skinstains |
A friend of mine is looking to get rid of a 12R as well... http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/21/ 616963.html?1298036946 | ||
| Smoke |
me, i'm liking the water cooler bike! put axle sliders and case savers to reduce damage from sliding. i have had way too many getoffs with minimal damage. i really enjoy running in the open classes along with the HWT. with WERA in the south the HWT class is lightly contested and CCS usually has bigger grids in class. a fast rider on a 600 took the novice CCS HWT championships over me and the 1125. sv650's are plentiful and cheap to hone your skills at the track. ex race or track bikes are what to look at. no matter what you end up riding it is all about seat time at speed. best luck, tim |
