| Author | Message | ||
     Fast1075 |
Hines runs a 6.860 in qualifying for a new national record....looks like the boys are slowly turning up the wick on that new 4 valve motor...trap speed over 192 mph...that is hauling the freight... Arana is number 3 with a 6.92 at 191...in qualifying on saturday the air was very good with an adjusted altitude of only 1100 ft...the track had plenty of teeth, the video of Hines' pass showed him carrying the front tire into 4th gear...but coming very close to shaking the tire...we'll see. All the top qualifiers were 60fting in the 1.08 range....folks that is quick...it takes nitro to 60ft quicker than that... Coverage today is on ESPN2...don't miss it...it won't be over till the fat lady sings...the winner will be decided by clutch tuning and reaction time. | ||
| J2blue |
Forgive my ignorance, but what engine mods are done on the ProStock XBs that I saw running at the Chicago track? They seemed to do pretty well against the competition. | ||
| Hutch |
Just go to s&s and look up billit prostock motr and you can buy one or G2 at star racing and you can realy buy a made to order prostock bike. the only Buell part on that bike is the name | ||
| J2blue |
Interesting, thanks for that info. So much for bragging rights. | ||
| 46champ |
Remember in the history books Buell is THE 2007 NHRA Pro stock national Champion, and it will always be that way with no asterisk. It could have been a Honda Kawasaki or any thing else. In reality the cam chest and cam configuration share similarities. So be proud we are a national champion. | ||
| Imonabuss |
Yes, I agree with 46 champ, we have as much bragging rights as anyone. Neither the Suzukis nor the H-D's have anything stock on them other than the decal. It's like John Force's "Ford Mustang" | ||
| J2blue |
I'm confused still. Is there Buell engineering and technology in the ProStock class? I really don't know that much about the drag bikes and what they make use of in any class. | ||
| Fast1075 |
It's like Hutch said...in all actuality the bikes are totally aftermarket..the "bodywork" is "Buell" in that it resembles Buell bodywork. On the other hand neither the "Harleys" or the "Suzukis" have OEM parts either...The motors in the Harley and most of the Suzuki (the ones that are competetive) are build by Vance and Hines... The Harley at this point, being having a 4 valve head set, share nothing with a V-Rod motor...and actually the internals have more in common with Ford Pro-Stock and Porsche along with some stuff developed by Hines for Ducati than with actual Harley stuff... The Harleys were assessed a 20 pound weight addition to keep them from killing the Suzukis. The Buells are holding their own with the 2 valve S&S motors.. Hines is screaming bloody murder over the weight penalty, but have not been showing their hand so to speak...those motors have a LOT more in them...The suzukis are tuned so tight, they are having problems with bogging on a tight track...the Harleys are having problems from wheel spin in the 60 ft... The bottom line is according to the rules..the Harleys are Harleys, The Buells are Buells, and the Suzukis are Suzukis...the Kawasaki still has not made enough power to be competitive so its not in the picture.. If the bikes were allowed to run at the old weight limits (600 pounds wet with rider)....the Harleys, with good air on a tight track would pretty easily go 6.80 at will...the GS1150 based Suzukis cannot. To put that little point into perspective, Don Garlits in the early 70's said a Top Fuel dragster would never go in the 6's. | ||
| Hutch |
check this out http://www.kosman.net/buell2.htm | ||
| J2blue |
Thanks Daryl. That is exactly the info I was asking about. I can see the similarity between NASCAR "stock" and this NHRA category. Not knocking it all, I just understand it better now. The engine is arguably Buell, but the same can be said for other makes in this category, too. In a backwards way, I suppose the engine from the ProStock Buell could be put in an XB frame, maybe. Perhaps the S2 frame is more accomodating? Not that it matters, I am just trying to wrap my head around this racing class. I love web sites like the one you linked too, even if I never have any possibility of needing them. Cool pictures. | ||
| 4cammer |
"The engine is arguably Buell" Not even close. | ||
| J2blue |
It's a "V-twin", right?  | ||
| Fast1075 |
Yeah, it's a v-twin, but it won't fit in an xb chassis...it's a huge 160 cubic in high deck motor. | ||
| Garrett2 |
arguably buell? holy moly thats hilarious. | ||
| Hutch |
you can buy that motor through s&s or G squared but It will not last very long and it is a 60* motor not 45* like buells and it is 160ci. with about 14to 1 compression and runs on c25 vp fuel. the trans in the thing is a copy of gs or kz I am not sure | ||
| Dragstang |
Fast1075 why are the v-rod motors something like a ford prostock? being a ford man i would love to know more. thanks for a good thread. randy greenville,va | ||
| Fast1075 |
I haven't checked this thread in a while..lets just say, you would need to ask Bob Glidden and Byron Hines. But now that the current motors are 4 valve...my previous statement is a bit moot. | ||
| 46champ |
Hector just won the US Nationals on a 2 valve pushrod motor, we don't need no stinking Hi Tec. | ||
| Fast1075 |
Woot! Woot! go Hector....Go Buell Racaing!! | ||
| Blake |
Sweet! | ||
| Americanmadexb |
I think Hector got this Champ this yr.. i have met him two times and the coolest, most humble dude you ever met.. Go Hector! i like Doug Horne too, but maybe just because of his sister!!! (Message edited by americanmadexb on September 27, 2009) | ||
| 46champ |
(W) Hector Arana (Lucas Oil Buell) 0.033 6.979 190.67 (L) Eddie Krawiec (Screamin' Eagle/Vance & Hines 0.017 7.005 190.43 Hector wins again with the superior horsepower of the 2 valve pushrod motor. | ||
| Garrett2 |
LOL if you think the buells are making more power than the HDs can make then youre an idiot. HD is just playing it cool, dont want to go to fast or people will contest it and they'll have weight added. they arent idiots | ||
| 46champ |
Garrett2 I said that tongue in cheek, but with the head work that Larry Morgan has been doing on Hector's bike the horse power gap may not be that great. What I really fear is the NHRA will decide that the Buell's have an advantage and they will throw 20 to 30 lbs on them and hand the championship to HD. | ||
| Fast1075 |
At texas, Hector and crew NAILED the setup...take the muzzel off I wanna ride that thing.!!!!  | ||
| Imonabuss |
It certainly would be great if Hector could win; everyone likes the guy. H-D won last year, and it would be nice for Buell to get it this year. Also it would be very cool for Lucas who are really a fantastic motorsports supporter! | ||
| Black |
Go down the article to "Pro Stock Motorcycle", but don't skip the short statement by Hector Arana. After two of four qualifier rounds, is that a Buell in first? Did I count 4 other Buells? http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20091030/SPORTS/9 10309966/1004 | ||
| Garrett2 |
i dont know, did you count four?? you know its a buell in first, it says it right on the link you posted. this is nothing new smith won the championship two or three years ago there have always been a decent amount of buells in the class | ||
| 46champ |
Remember on Friday only positions 1 thru 12 are qualified for. Positions 13 thru 16 are qualified for on Saturday. Positions 1 thru 12 are not locked in they can be bumped out by other riders on Saturday. More Buells will qualify today. | ||
| Black |
Sorry Garett2, That was a literary device. I was asking a rhetorical question. That means that I knew the answer to the question before I asked it. I was doing it for emphasis. As you so deftly noted, I did post the link. In my case, that means that I read it too. I am a Buell fan and thought it was great to see Buells winning once again. Sorry to upset you so much. |
