| Author | Message | ||
     Bott |
It astounds me that the general AMERICAN public is not pulling for Buell. +1000 I'm at a loss here. The only theory I have is the affiliation with Harley, and the commonly seen attitude some Harley riders give riders of bikes by The Big Four. Couple that with the fact that the United States National Guard sponsors Suzuki | ||
| Spike |
This does seem a bit fishy. If the class requires homologation as a production bike, why is Buell getting a free pass? If this is merely a production 1125R modified to the limits of superbike rules, why call it something else and invite the trouble? | ||
| Swampdog225 |
The only down side to this is that, if Taylor has anything other than a podium, the NON-INFORMED general public will view the 1125RR's debut as a disaster and will associate it's coming out party with the XBRRs Daytona debut. The sad part about it is they still after being midway through the season, and several top 5 & top 10 finishes in DSB, Superbike and Canadian Superbike, CCS, WERA, ASRA, MOTO-ST, and god knows what other series finishes, have not giving Buell and the fine people at Buell Racing, their due credit. It sucks ass! And serves as nothing more than irritation to me and the many other proud Buell owners and enthusiasts, when SuperBikePlanet and several other trade mags, and boards result to Buell bashing. That pisses me the F%^&(^ off! Sorry for the rant. But I'm 3 buells into this thing and have loved every single one of them. The flaws don't out weight the many joyous hours that I've had riding my American Sportbikes. When jerkoffs, like the guy from StuporbikePlanetarium, decides he wants cry like a little bitch and get his rant posted on every search engine this side of the equator, for everyone who Googles: 1125RR and the first that pops up in the search result is his cry. That burns my butt. I need a drink. Sorry! I'm getting carried away..... GOOOOOO BUELLLLLLL!!!!!!!!! Blake I hope my rant doesn't incur your rath. If so, edit it out and leave the GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BUELLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Bads1 |
This does seem a bit fishy. If the class requires homologation as a production bike, why is Buell getting a free pass? Think of it this way. suzuki won't even give any privateers there parts to build a bike. Never have never will. Thats what separates them from none factory. If they did they would have to sell the bike as race bike because EPA wise its not legal. Buell is giving anyone and everyone a chance to own a factory bike. | ||
| Dobieg2002 |
Remember Buell hasn't announced 2010 models Maybe a street legal version to meet the homologation requirements | ||
| Xoptimizedrsx |
Is This race being broadcast anywhere? Wife Is going to surgery monday. cant get out of state? just the luck but she needs it. So its worth it her health is first. maybe speed will show it in a few months. mike | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Should be same day coverage on Speed. First time I have looked forward to a AMA Superbike race in a LONG time. | ||
| Duggram |
Broadcast schedule for the year on Speed. This weekend looks good. | ||
| Xoptimizedrsx |
yep just checked. Its on speed Sunday. thanks for having me check there lineup. says sportbike so hopefully they have superbike also. * 12:00PM ET * AMA Pro Prime Time * Mid-Ohio * Daytona Sportbike racing from Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course in Lexington, Oh * 1:00PM ET * AMA Pro Prime Time * Mid-Ohio | ||
| Fresnobuell |
almost surely one hour will be DSB and the other Superbike! Go Buell racers, all of you! | ||
| Duggram |
I watched the Laguna race and it was an hour each then. Don't forget the second day of racing comes on at midnight ET. Thankfully that's 10 pm mtn, 9 pacific. | ||
| Spike |
The rules don't state anything about selling the race modified parts. The rules state that the bike must be a production model bike. The GSXR is a production bike. Modifying a production bike with race-only parts that you do not sell to the public is legal. The 1125R is a production bike. Modifying an 1125R with race-only parts that Buell does not sell to the public would be legal. The 1125RR is not a production bike. Allowing the non-production 1125RR to race ignores the rules. | ||
| Court |
>>>Allowing the non-production 1125RR to race ignores the rules. See if you can convince me that Buell, working with a team of 12 that includes 9 professional racers, was foolish enough, having been through the "developed, produced and gotten burned by a sanctioning body" dance more times than most . . . invested tons of time, talent and resources (rare commodities with Harley-Davidson stock hovering about 12% of where it was a year ago, massive budget cuts and some big names being shown the door) . . . in the 1125RR program without having all their ducks in a row. I'm all ears. Some folks won't like it. Loosely quoting Louis Rukeyser . . . "success offends follows and sideliners". Deal with it. This is going to be a wildly interesting program that will directly impact both motorcycling and the Buells we will be riding on the street. That is as it should be. Now . . . with NYC humidity and temps above normal, I'm off to explore 400 miles of Northern New Jersey and Dutchess county to try out a little mod. Discuss, quibble, enjoy. Court | ||
| Toona |
Court, will you be making your way to a small town in the country of the central part of Ohio this weekend? | ||
| Hughlysses |
AMA Racing thread on advrider with discussion on the bike in case anyone wants to comment: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10 362670#post10362670 | ||
| Spike |
It's AMA/DMG approved. The rulemakers (the only people that really matter in this argument) say it's legal. It will race. I fully understand that. However, that doesn't change the fact that this bike is an exception to the AMA Superbike rules as they are written by the AMA. The rules state "street certified" and production model. The 1125R is a street certified production model and would be legal for competition. The 1125R modified to the specs of the 1125RR would be legal for competition.* The 1125RR is not street certified nor a production model and therefore should not be legal for AMA Superbike competition according to the AMA rules. The AMA handed Buell a free pass on this one. *That's the part that really gets me. If Buell sold all the 1125RR parts as a ~$20k race kit no one would have any grounds to complain (although they would do it anyway). | ||
| Trojan |
The AMA handed Buell a free pass on this one. again. And why is the 1125RR only for sale in the US to US licenced racers? I thought Buell was a global brand? | ||
| Blake |
The Buell 1125RR is a race prepped Buell 1125R, which is a street bike. Spike, you seem to bee arguing that the Buell 1125RR is illegal because Buell is doing the race prepping? Do you somehow delude yourself into believing that the Yoshimura GSXR Superbikes, are street bikes? They are not. They are modified street bikes, no different from how the Buell 1125RR is a modified street bike. "The rules don't state anything about selling the race modified parts"? I thought the rules stated exactly that. No? | ||
| Dobieg2002 |
*That's the part that really gets me. If Buell sold all the 1125RR parts as a ~$20k race kit no one would have any grounds to complain (although they would do it anyway). I believe if you contact the Buell Race department you can buy all the parts individually, but probably for more than 20k | ||
| Blake |
Per Buell: Buell will produce a limited number of 1125RR motorcycles for sale only to licensed professional road racers who will compete in the AMA Pro Racing American Superbike class. U.S. MSRP is $39,995. Orders must be placed through the Buell Race Department and delivered through an authorized Buell motorcycle dealer. | ||
| Blake |
"The AMA handed Buell a free pass on this one." That is pure baloney. | ||
| 4cammer |
What I enjoy is the fact that certain parties are crying that Buell HAS A MOTORCYCLE TO COMPETE IN AMA SUPERBIKE. Go Buell. | ||
| Dobieg2002 |
And why is the 1125RR only for sale in the US to US licenced racers? I thought Buell was a global brand? Not legal for import into europe due to European emission standards? It is also only for AMA Pro Racing American Superbike class. Maybe there will be a WSB version? (Message edited by dobieg2002 on July 16, 2009) | ||
| Court |
>>>That is pure baloney. Time . . . I suspect . . . will make that an increasingly accurate statement. No one, outside of Buell, the AMA and a few other venues, knows anything beyond the sum total of 404 words in the Buell Press Release. Frankly, even knowing a bit more than that, I find myself unable, using the more widely liberal interpretation, to just to some of the conclusions many folks have. But then . . . this is consistent with my personal policy of not forming opinions based on "expert" input from 22 year old sportbike riders. Call me crazy. Many of the detractors are the very same folks who, after the 4th Buell was pushed to the garage at Daytona, tolled the death noll of Buell racing. There were a handful, I include myself among, them who considered it a painful, but valuable lesson, borne of experience, of how to prepare a race bike AND run a race program. We were the ones predicting, quoting my own "Buell will be a major name in worldwide motorcycle racing within 5 years", a bright future for Buell racing. Like it or not they are now running an impressive program. More impressive than folks can possibly imagine. Buell has won this year but more impressive are races like Road America where Buells made up 4 of the top ten bikes. . . they are finishing, they are well prepared and they are consistent. My "worst case" scenario is that the nay-sayers are right, Buell, with their tiny little band of Elves, has strong armed the sanctioning body, exerting force no mulit-million dollar budget back foreign manufacturer could, and is racing a terribly illegal anomaly. See . . . ever if that WERE true, I still win cause I'm gonna have the time of my life watching this bike. Testing, over the past month, has shown just how talented the folks in the new Buell Race Division are. Go Buell Racing. | ||
| Hughlysses |
"There is no such thing as bad publicity except your own obituary." Brendan Behan Irish author & dramatist (1923 - 1964) | ||
| Spike |
You may see it that way, but Buell does not: "Buell Motorcycle Company today introduced the 1125RR, a race-use only motorcycle intended for competition"
They may say that somewhere, but I could not find it. From what I read, the bikes must be street-certified production models, but parts may be modified or replaced. I didn't see any requirement for the modified or replacement parts be available for sale. 2009 AMA Rules: http://amaproracing.com/assets/RR_Rules_2009.pdf | ||
| Jscott |
All this trouble over a second "r". If they called it a factory race prepped 1125r, what would anyone find to complain about. | ||
| Bott |
I wonder if Mladin's bike was bought with cash,or financed...from the Suzuki Dealer they must have bought it from?  | ||
| Trojan |
Not legal for import into europe due to European emission standards? It is also only for AMA Pro Racing American Superbike class. Maybe there will be a WSB version? Its a race bike so doesn't have to comply to Euro legislation ragarding emmissions. However, it would fall foul of the rules governing 'production/streetbike' racing as our authorities are not going to be so lenient as the AMA. No matter what slant you put on it, it isn't a street bike as it is being sold as a race bike only, so wouldn't be eligible for WSB, BSB or any other production class (just as the XBRR wasn't). The question that you have to ask is: 'Can I buy this and ride it legally on the road as it is?'. If the answer is no then it isn't a production street bike. Even Honda had to make a limited number of their homologation specials (RC30/RC45 etc) in order to be seen to be playing by the rules. It would though be able to race in various Supertwins/Sound of Thunder/BoTT classes over here, as they are not production based. Do you somehow delude yourself into believing that the Yoshimura GSXR Superbikes, are street bikes? They are not. They are modified street bikes, no different from how the Buell 1125RR is a modified street bike. There is a massive difference between the two in terms of complying with the rules. The Suzukis are not sold as race bikes (without lights etc) and are modified street bikes. Heavily modified maybe, but modified from a street bikes originally supplied in street trim to the team. If the Buell example were extended to Suzuki/Honda etc what is to stop them producing a high spec race bike for sale to licenced racers in exactly the same way? That would effectively let all of the factories build race 'specials' that blow holes in the rule book and make a mockery of the whole 'production' class. Why not just sell the parts as a kit instead of trying to stretch the rules again? | ||
| Bott |
So, Yoshimura has a box of headlights,tallights and mirrors laying around,that the "new guy" removed from their racebikes I suppose. |
