| Author | Message | ||
     Jens |
Somebody know how the fuel consumption of the 848 is comparing to the IL 4´s ? | ||
| Jens |
Here we go: http://www.amaproracing.com/prorace/raceres/rr/qri ders.asp?year=2008&type=f&snct=p8200&cls=fe | ||
| Macbuell |
Poor qualifying times or not, it's cool to see some Ducati's and BWM's in the race. I only wish Buell was better represented. Good luck Walt. | ||
| Blake |
And Triumph! Eight different brands of machines. Cool. Qual times are at... http://www.amaproracing.com/prorace/raceres/rr/cre s.asp?cls=fe&snct=p8200&type=q&year=2008 | ||
| Doerman |
Does anybody know what team Jake Zemke is riding for? He was booted from Honda Racing so is he racing for somebody else? | ||
| Elvis |
And not only eight different brands, but 5 very unique engine configurations. 600 cc inline fours vs. 675 inline triples vs 850 cc liquid-cooled L-Twins vs. 1200 cc (?) air-cooled boxer twins vs. 1350 cc air-cooled V-Twins. I think the AMA really hit a home run with this formula. I'd like to see them make a long-term commitment to the format and put some effort into promoting it. If Buell knew they could count on this series to be around, I wonder if that could lead to the next generation air-cooled engine being a 1350 cc. If they could close the gap between the production bike and race bike, it could lead to a more reliable, better sorted race bike as well as a better street bike as well as some good marketing. Go Walt!! Looking forward to hearing you rumble around that track on Saturday! | ||
| Blake |
His listing says "Erion Racing / Honda." | ||
| Trojan |
200 Qualifying seems to have confirmed my 'The Brits are coming' prediction so far, with Hodgson on pole & Chaz Davies second on the grid  It is a long race, but I'm beginning to think I should have put some money on it a few weeks ago  As far as the 'air cooled twins' go, Richard Cooper did really well to get the BMW HP2 up to 26th position on the start line, outqualifying his more experienced BMW team mates, and looks good for the race given the reliabililty of the BMW so far in endurance racing. Shame Walt only managed 58th on the sole Buell runner, but I hope he can make up some places in the race. It is a shame to see Scott Russell languishing down the grid for the Superbike race, and a non finisher in the Superstock event. I think everyone expected a lot from 'Mr Daytona' and the pressure on him to do well must be enormous. (Message edited by trojan on March 07, 2008) | ||
| Anonymous |
jeremy would have the xbrr on the pole. | ||
| Trojan |
jeremy would have the xbrr on the pole. And if my uncle had tits he'd be my aunt. Easy to say when jeremy isn't there and doesn't have to prove it though isn't it? Maybe if Buell put the effort into the 200 that BMW and the other factories have done it may have happened. As it is there is just one lone privateer XBRR rider out there ;) | ||
| Bads1 |
It is a shame to see Scott Russell languishing down the grid for the Superbike race, and a non finisher in the Superstock event. I think everyone expected a lot from 'Mr Daytona' and the pressure on him to do well must be enormous. Why??? I followed his career and he was awesome to watch in his day. The fact is he's only doing a select few races this year. Daytona..... well he hasn't been on it since his departure in this sport and at the same time he hasn't raced in this type of capacity in quite some time. What happened to him I think I can speak for lots that it was expected. Theres serious talent out there that haven't been away for the stint he has. | ||
| Elvis |
Maybe if Buell put the effort into the 200 that BMW and the other factories have done it may have happened. As it is there is just one lone privateer XBRR rider out there ;) It will certainly be interesting to see where BMW goes from here. Clearly the HP2 is not as competitive out of the box as the XBRR was, but I've always been a believer that if anybody had put some real effort and money into the racing the XBRR in FX it could have been made competitive with a top rider and a top team. It will be interesting to see how BMW - after an outing that will almost certainly be considered disappointing - responds and if they mount a real effort to improve the HP2 and make it competitive in FX or abandon it after the 200 (does anyone know if Nate Kern is planning to run future FX races?) My dream (and note I use the word "dream", not expectation) would be that Buell (or a private team with some solid support from Buell) would begin to put some real effort into AMA. If Buell creates a homologation bike for Superbike (and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Steve Crevier's efforts in Canada may be a precursor to that), either they (or a private team) could hire a couple good riders to run Superbike. And as long as they're running Superbike, they could also be running XBRR's in FX (I've even suggested in the past that if Buell (or any teams) were really interested in a Superbike run, it would make sense to run a season of FX in advance. But that's either not happening or - if something's in the works - it's on a longer term schedule - maybe FX in 2009 and Suberbike in 2010?). At the least, Buell should have a very interesting Moto-St and Canadian Superbike season, and I've always been a proponent of them building from the ground-up, so I should probably just be patient and hope those efforts push into AMA in the coming years. Remember when there was talk about the dirt-bike and that bike's competition in AMA? I had been hoping when that fell through that the idea wouldn't die and they would increase their presence in AMA road-racing. I love what Walt's doing and I'm cheering my heart out for him, but he clearly can't do it all by himself. | ||
| Trojan |
It will certainly be interesting to see where BMW goes from here. Clearly the HP2 is not as competitive out of the box as the XBRR was, but I've always been a believer that if anybody had put some real effort and money into the racing the XBRR in FX it could have been made competitive with a top rider and a top team. It will be interesting to see how BMW - after an outing that will almost certainly be considered disappointing - responds and if they mount a real effort to improve the HP2 and make it competitive in FX or abandon it after the 200 (does anyone know if Nate Kern is planning to run future FX races?) To be honest, I think BMW are running in the 200 simply because they had the bikes there and it is a good opportunity to run in the spotlight. The HP2 was always developed as an endurance racer, where it has done very well so far. Finishing 25th or lower in FX at Daytona will not be a disapointment to BMW, because unlike the XBRR the bike was not specifically designed to campaign in FX in the first place. Personally I would not be surprised to see one of the BMW's in the top ten by the chequered flag simply because it is a very long race and reliability will play a major part in the finishing order. It may lose out on outright power but these things just keep going fast hour after hour without a hiccup. BMW's major effort this year will be to run the bike in the World Endurance Championship and to develop the new WSB 4 cylinder bike. FX racing will be a very small priority I would think, although maybe Nate Kern/BMW may decide to run the bike at other rounds. The HP2 has less outright bhp than the XBRR but has so far finished every race it has entered (including 12 & 24 hour races), and won its class in more than a few. If Buell could make the XBRR as reliable then maybe they could mount a serious challenge in FX, but given the improvements made in 12 months by the Japanese factory 600's I doubt if the XBRR would be anywhere near competitive even with a good rider and factory team running it. | ||
| Davegess |
I wonder how many of the guys ahead of Walt have Q tires? I suspect Walt does not. They are expensive. | ||
| Trojan |
I wonder how many of the guys ahead of Walt have Q tires? I suspect Walt does not. They are expensive. Do you really think that would be worth too many places? No disrespect to Walt, but some bikes/riders are actually quicker on race tyres than qualifiers. Bikes need very different setups to get the best from sticky qualifying tyres, and the setup that works for the race doesn't necessarily work with qualifiers on. If you ae not experienced using qualifying tyres then you would probably be slower using them rather than quicker. Hodsgon's pole position time was done on a CBR600RR that was on 'out of the box' suspension settings. He admits that he just jumped on the bike and never changed anything as he was concentrating on trying to get the Superbike up to speed rather than the setting up the FX bike. (Message edited by trojan on March 07, 2008) | ||
| Blake |
Is Walt running an XBRR or an XB12R for the 200? | ||
| Elvis |
Is Walt running an XBRR or an XB12R for the 200? I was wondering that myself, but this photo Jose' posted seems to show an XBRR:  And if he's got the XBRR, I'd assume that's what he's running. | ||
| Elvis |
Here's an interesting little (unscientific) experiment I just did. I feel like I've been seeing a lot of "hype" regarding the HP2 at Daytona while Matt seems to think Daytona isn't a big deal to them. I was curious if my perception was skewed, so I typed "BMW Daytona HP2" and got 82,400 hits. Then I typed "Buell Daytona XBRR" and got 11,100 hits. Again, that's very unscientific, but I'd say the BMW may well have been "hyped" just about as much or more as the Buell regarding Daytona. | ||
| Blake |
Interesting. | ||
| Jaimec |
I believe an HP2 finished in seventh, so that puts it in the top ten. From what the announcer was saying, that bike was practically STOCK with very little modifications. Now THAT'S impressive! | ||
| Dragstang |
has anyone seen a full field run down. just wondering how walt did. | ||
| Benm2 |
The last live timing on screen before the end of the race showed 53rd for Walt. I don't know if he moved up from there or not. The BMW's had an impressive run, and got some air time on Speed. | ||
| Paint_shaker |
Walt retired early from the race. Don't know why... Was cool to hear the XBRR while it was running. The BMWs sounded pretty sweet too!!!! | ||
| Elvis |
By the end of the race, I was really pulling for the BMW's. I've got to tip my hat to Matt, he called it. I guess air-cooled engines still can compete. I remember when the first "K-Bikes" came out and it looked like the Boxers were becoming extinct, but it seems that engine design is just too good to die. I wonder if BMW's success will help encourage Buell to put some more effort in. | ||
| Paint_shaker |
I was pulling for the BMWs also... It sure would be nice to see an XBRR finish the 200... | ||
| Elvis |
Walt finished last year. After a crash that should have ended him, he got back on and toughed it out for the first ever Buell finish in a 200. I don't know what happened to him today. Hopefully he'll be able to compete in some FX races this year that won't be as insane as the 200. | ||
| Matty |
Race rule #1 Section B, Subsection 40.2-1a. Don't get caught! Hayes Disqualified for illegal crankshaft preparation! by dean adams Saturday, March 08, 2008 This just in from the AMA: DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. - Josh Hayes was disqualified from today's Daytona 200 following a customary and mandatory technical inspection of the top three finishers' motorcycles in the Daytona 200, round one of the AMA Formula Extreme Series. Upon this inspection, a technical infraction was found. The #1 Erion Racing Honda CBR600RR's crankshaft was polished, surface treated and metal was removed from it. This is in violation of the 2008 AMA rulebook section 5.4, the text of which can be seen below. Page 47: Rulebook Section 5.4 5.4 Multi-cylinder liquid cooled engines The following engine components may not be altered from the originally homologated model except as noted: b. Homologated crankshaft 1. Bearing surfaces may be polished or surface treated. In addition, two other motorcycles were randomly picked to undergo technical inspections. http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Mar/080308jhdq t.htm} | ||
| Jens |
..... that bike was practically STOCK with very little modifications. Now THAT'S impressive! Thats is how good marketing works! (-: Forget it, these bikes were 145+ HP 100% factorybikes. I remember in 2006, after AMA homologate in the middle of the season traction control systems, in an interview Erion answered the question: you will use these systems in the future? oh,it was forbidden?..... BMW finished 6. and 7. with a 1:43 high in the race,thats a great result for them. Ducati 4. 19. and 20. Best Triumph on 17. Somebody know why the 2 other BMW don´t start and what happend to the Buell? Jens | ||
| Elvis |
I don't know what happened to Nate Kern, but Rico crashed on the first lap. When I saw that boxer cylinder sticking up on the TV, I had a similar feeling what I had when Walt crashed last year: "Out of all the bikes on the field, why does the one in the grass have to be one of the few that I would actually immediately recognize?" | ||
| Trojan |
By the end of the race, I was really pulling for the BMW's. I've got to tip my hat to Matt, he called it. Thanks I think I'll go into the forecasting business ;) Great to see Chaz Davies as the eventual winner too He may have won by default, but a win is a win and cheating is cheating (not the first time Erion has been caught either I think?). Hodgson was in with a chance too until he ran across the chicane and lost loads of time I don't think we'll see the BMW's at many more FX rounds sadly, as the nature of the Daytona race played well into their tortoise & hare philosophy. Later rounds will be 'sprint' races in comparison and they will lack outright bhp to be up with the winners. Now all I need to make my weekend complete is a British 1-2-3 in the 125 GP class (3 Brits on the front row, combined age 49!) and James Toseland on the podium in the MotoGP tonight |
