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M1combat
| Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 03:26 pm: |
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It's amazing to watch too... I was at Daytona in '06 to watch the XBRR's and it sent chills down my spine to see Duhamel FLYING around the middle and exit of the bank, both tires sliding. I walked some of the track after the race... That bank is all kinds of bumpy. We need to get Sears Point, The Glenn, Lime Rock Park, Brainerd, and a few others I can't think of right now up to proper safety standards. America has a lot of excellent racetracks that many people just don't know exist anymore. |
Blake
| Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 03:28 pm: |
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The new AMA/DMG Superbike class doesn't look anything like a 600cc class with the GSXR750 and all the other configurations of machines included. I'd say that it is a horsepower limited class and leave it at that.
Current List of Motorcycles Elegible for 2009 AMA Superbike Homologation Aprilia Tuono BMW HP2 Sport Buell 1125R Ducati 848 Ducati S4R Honda CBR600RR Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R KTM Super Duke MV Brutale 910S Suzuki GSX-R750 Suzuki GSX-R600 Triumph Daytona 675 Yamaha YZF-R6 More on the class rules from DMG...
Each homologated machine will have a published Technical Information Form (TIF) containing the AMA approved specifications required for competition. Specifications will include, but not be limited to make, model, year, original displacement, and special allowances (if any) for this specific homologated machine. The original TIF may be modified to enhance or reduce the performance of the machine based upon actual competition experience. Unless otherwise specified, all parts must originate from the same make/model as the homologated machine, meaning no up-dating or back-dating is permitted 1. HORSEPOWER AND WEIGHT LIMITS A. Minimum weight is 360 lbs in the exact condition the machine finishes any competition activity (qualifying or race final) without the addition of fluids or other items of any kind. B. Once the machine weight has been established, the motorcycle will be tested for power output on the official series dynamometer. Power is limited to one (1) horsepower for every three (3) pounds of machine weight, up to a maximum of 140 horsepower. Fuel may be added to allow for the dynamometer testing after the official weight has been recorded. C. In no case may more than 25 lbs of ballast be added to any machine, said ballast to be added/fastened in accordance with approved mounting procedures. D. If necessary, specific motorcycles may be allowed a variance from the standard power to weight ratio to ensure parity in competition. Where such variances are allowed, they will be published on the TIF for the machines affected. E. Combined motorcycle and rider weights will be used to determine power limits starting in the 2010 season. 2. TIRES A. XXXXXX is the Official Tire of AMA Pro Road Racing and only tires produced by XXXX and mounted at the meet may be used in competition. B. The number of available compounds, configurations, and quantities available for use at each event will be announced coincident with the announcement of the Official Tire of the series and may be altered during the course of the 2009 season per safety, wear and related experience. 3. FUEL A. Official Fuel - The Official Fuel of AMA Pro Racing is XXXXXXXX and its exclusive use in unadulterated form shall be mandatory. B. Only air may be mixed with the fuel as an oxidant, and no other substances, chemicals and/or liquids whatsoever shall be added, combined, mixed and/or introduced to said Official Fuel whether intentionally or unintentionally unless approved in advance in writing by the AMA for use by all competitors. C. All competitors must use the official fuel, as supplied by the manufacturer at the track, during all on-track sessions. D. All motorcycles must prominently display the appropriate unmodified official fuel company decal on the motorcycle at all times. E. AMA Pro Racing has the right to sample a competitor's fuel at any time. F. Competitors are responsible for the safe and proper handling and security of their fuel from when it is dispensed to them until it is used. G. Competitors are responsible for properly disposing of all unused fuel. 2. WHEELS/BRAKES A. Wheels must appear on the Eligible Equipment List. (1) Front wheels = 17” x 3.5” all machines (2) Rear wheels = 17” x 5.5” or 17” x 6” (See TIF for each machine) B. Brake calipers may be substituted by homologated units appearing on the Eligible Equipment List. C. Aftermarket brake pads and lines may be substituted by homologated units appearing on the Eligible Equipment List.. D. The brake master cylinders may be substituted by homologated units appearing on the Eligible Equipment List. E. The brake rotors may be substituted by homologated units appearing on the Eligible Equipment List as long as the rotors are the same size (diameter) as the OEM equipment being replaced. Caliper mounts and hangers, front and rear, may not be modified or substituted. F. With approval of the Technical Inspector, front wheel spacers may be made “captive”. G. With approval of the Technical Inspector, rear wheel spacers may be made “captive”, and a caliper retaining device may be used. Chain adjuster must be OEM. 3. FRONT SUSPENSION A. Original front forks must be retained, including inner and outer tubes, fork bottoms, caliper mounts, axles and spacers. (Aftermarket coatings are allowed to maximum thickness of 0.1mm). B. Aftermarket 25mm Cartridge kits appearing on the Eligible Equipment List are permitted and aftermarket fork caps may be substituted. C. A steering damper may be installed with a homologated unit appearing on the Eligible Equipment List. D. A fork brace may be installed with a homologated unit appearing on the Eligible Equipment List. E. Triple Clamps may be substituted with a homologated unit appearing on the Eligible Equipment List. F. Front suspension modifications are limited to: (1) Internal parts may be modified consistent and within the foregoing restrictions, including substitution of springs, change of shims and/or spacers, and addition of “Race Tech” kit/aftermarket type valving units appearing on the Eligible Equipment List. (2) External Compression Adjusters may be modified/changed. (3) Steering Head inserts to adjust rake may be used as long as no part of the frame is modified. 4. REAR SUSPENSION A. The original model, stock swingarm must be retained, unchanged, except that the axle adjustment opening/slot may be lengthened, with the permission of the Tech. Inspector. B. The rear shock linkage may be substituted with a homologated unit appearing on the Eligible Equipment List. C. The rear shock may be modified or replaced by units appearing on the Eligible Equipment List. 5. FRAME/ADJUSTABLE PIVOT/DATA ACQUISITION A. Unless otherwise provided for on the TIF, the original frame must be used. Unnecessary brackets may be removed. B. Adjustable swingarm pivots are permitted, but no modifications to the frame or swingarm can be made to allow this adjustability. C. Data acquisition for chassis and/or suspension is permitted utilizing systems on the Eligible Equipment List. (1) Data acquisition is only permitted as “one way”, meaning a gathering system that can receive and/or collect but not transmit. 6. BODYWORK/CONTROLS/APPEARANCE A. Aftermarket, OEM-style bodywork and custom fairing mounts may be used. B. The fairing must match the shape of the OEM machine in silhouette and profile and the AMA shall have the right to use templates and go-no-go devices therefor. 1) An oil retaining, “sealed” lower fairing is mandatory. C. The stock gas tank must be used, but aftermarket gas caps are allowed. For races requiring re-fueling, a dry brake system must be installed. D. A front fender must be mounted. E. Aftermarket footpegs, clip-on bars, shift/brake mechanisms and fasteners may be used. F. Non-standard “Kill Switches” must not be spring loaded and must be well marked. G. Titanium Fasteners are not permitted. H. Tail sections may be increased in size to allow for required number display. Final approval rests with the Chief Technical Inspector. (1) The AMA and/or the organizers retain the right to require number plates on machines with small or unusually sized or shaped tail sections. I. Numbers must be a minimum of 8 inches high and in a clear contrasting color to the background area on which they are displayed. 7. ENGINE MODIFICATIONS are unlimited, except for the following: A. Bore and Stroke must remain as stock. B. Valve sizes must remain as stock. C. Stock cases, barrels, and cylinder heads must be used, but may be altered. D. Stock carb bodies or stock fuel injection systems must be used, but carb internals, velocity stacks and injection management systems may be altered or replaced. E. Injectors must be stock and unaltered from the original specification and manufacture. F. Open pipe exhaust systems are permitted. G. Aftermarket exhaust systems appearing on the Eligible Equipment List may be installed. H. Dyno-jet or kit-type Electronic “quick shifters” are allowed. Manual “secondary” hand operated kill switch/quick shifters are not allowed. I. Clutch actuation may be modified to a racing “kit” type. J. “Dry Clutches” are only permitted when used on the equivalent OE production model. K. Aftermarket “Slipper” clutches appearing on the Eligible Equipment List are permitted. L. Approved Engine Control Unit must be used without any modification whatsoever to the approved configuration. Series provided Engine Control Units may be required in 2010 and beyond. 8. AIR BOX/INTAKE/SCOOPS A. An air box is required. B. An air filter is not required. C. Larger air boxes may be fitted, but the stock tank and tank placement/mounts must be maintained and used. D. Ram air systems are permitted if specified and used on the homologated motorcycle. Ducts and scoops, must be identical in specification to the original equipment system. 9. POST QUALIFYING/POST RACE TECH A. Immediately following each qualifying session or race, the top three finishers plus other motorcycles chosen at random at the discretion of the AMA will be tested on the Official Series Dynamometer to verify power. B. Other than the motorcycle’s throttle/twist grip, switches or any other device and/or methodology designed to and/or having the ability or potential to affect the horsepower readings during dynamometer testing are strictly prohibited. C. Any entrant, rider, crew member and/or entrant affiliate (who are not manufacturers of homologated motorcycles), who attempts to and/or does alter the performance of his/her/their machine following any competition event, in an effort to affect the dynamometer or weight results, will be disqualified from the meet and suspended from AMA Pro Road Racing participation for a period of no less than one year, and assessed a $50,000.00 fine which must be paid in full before reinstatement. A second offense will result in a lifetime ban for the offending entrant and/or entity. D. Any entrant, entrant affiliate and/or contractor who is/are manufacturers of homologated motorcycles, who attempts to and/or does alter the performance of its/their machine following any competition event, in an effort to affect the dynamometer or weight results, will be disqualified from the meet and suspended from AMA Pro Road Racing participation for a period of no less than one year, and assessed a $250,000.00 fine which must be paid in full before reinstatement. A second offense will result in a loss of approval for the homologated machine used in the meet where the offense took place, thereby rendering it ineligible for use by any and all entrants for a period of twelve (12) months.. E. Machines unable to make post qualifying or post race tech and complete their dynamometer runs for any reasons, including major crashes or major mechanical failures will be penalized. Reasonable allowances may/will be made for minor mechanical failures that can be repaired, under strict supervision, in a reasonable amount of time and that do not have any bearing on performance or weight. Reasonable allowances may/will also be made for minor crashes on machines that can be ridden back to pit lane. Determination of ‘minor’ will be at the sole discretion of the Tech Inspector. F. In the instance where a motorcycle on the post-race dynamometer produces one run where that motorcycle registered within (but not more than) one horsepower in excess of the horsepower limit, that motorcycle will be re-tested at the end of that class/group, time allowing and at the request of the entrant. If that motorcycle again measures/tests any way in excess of the allowable horsepower limit , that machine will be penalized as per the Rule book. If that machine reads within the guidelines in the dynamometer re-do, no penalty will be assessed. G. Motorcycle weights will be checked immediately following qualifying or races, in the same condition in which they finish the activity, including all fluids such as oil, water and fuel. H. No fluid and/or any other item(s) may be added to the motorcycle prior to the determination of weight. Subsequent to official weight verification, fuel may be added for the purpose of completing the required dynamometer verification. 10. PURSE AWARDS A. All purse awards will be paid to the registered entrant. B. Purse awards will be determined by the amount of points earned by the entrant at each meet, calculated by adding the points earned in race one and the points earned in race two. C. When ties result, the purse amounts for the position in question and the next position will be totaled and split between the two entrants. D. Unless otherwise specified, purse awards for each meet scheduled in the 2009 season will be as follows: First Place = $50,000.00 Second Place through Twentieth Place = $5,000.00 each Super Pole Winner = $5,000.00 |
Elvis
| Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 10:38 am: |
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Cool release here. Key point - they are working on a more powerful engine, but it wasn't ready: http://www.cdnsuperbike.com/index.php?option=com_c ontent&task=view&id=825&Itemid=201 Also some good info on other Ruthless riders: http://www.cdnsuperbike.com/index.php?option=com_c ontent&task=view&id=826&Itemid=201 |
Fresnobuell
| Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 04:04 pm: |
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Bring it, Buell! |
Fresnobuell
| Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 07:54 pm: |
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NOW who's making the excuses... Suzuki Superbike report: Former two-time Canadian Superbike Champion Francis Martin spent the week end fighting the flu as well as the competition. “I did not get any sleep Friday or Saturday night, which affected my ability to adjust the Superbike to track conditions. I am racing only the Superbike this year, which means I can concentrate all my attention and that of my team to one bike, but I do miss the additional track time I would get if I also raced a 600 Super Sport.” In the Superbike race, Martin did not get his usual hole-shot start, and spent the race fighting his way back to the front. “I was off form towards the end of the race and just lost third place at the checkered flag. I like Calgary, and will be healthy by then. My target there is a podium finish, no less. I have the bike to do it – It’s up to me to deliver.” |
Xb984r
| Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 10:19 pm: |
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Fresno,I see no excuses in that.Stating you were sick and had less track time for practice is not making an excuse. |
Anonymous
| Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 12:02 am: |
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Stating you were sick and had less track time for practice is not making an excuse. Can you imagine what would be said if Steve Crevier had finished behind Martin and said the above? Yes, it's more visor fogging . . . |
Xb984r
| Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 06:51 am: |
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Anon,nothing would have been said.Most people would have been impressed with a 4th place finish for the Buell.Anon,I guess you would know what an excuse is though. (Message edited by xb984r on May 30, 2008) |
Blake
| Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 02:03 pm: |
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"I see no excuses in that." "Stating you were sick and had less track time for practice is not making an excuse." I'm left wondering just what kind of excuse would count as an actual "excuse". Any commentary aimed at excusing why you didn't finish better in a race is an excuse. That's pretty much the definition of "excuse." (Message edited by Blake on May 30, 2008) |
M1combat
| Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 08:16 pm: |
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Apparently your daddy didn't explain to you what an "excuse" is. Mine did... and he would have none of them. Those are excuses. Please excuse my fourth place... I didn't get any sleep. Please excuse my fourth place... I don't have as much practice time as someone else. Please excuse my fourth place... I just wasn't as fast as I should have been near the end of the race. Please excuse my fourth place... I'm sick. One of those is slightly acceptable. Can you decide which one? |
Smoke
| Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 08:53 pm: |
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3rd |
M1combat
| Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 05:14 pm: |
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I was asking 984 but thanks . |
Elvis
| Posted on Friday, July 18, 2008 - 09:55 am: |
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Here's something that I found very interesting in the latest round: Are the pods themselves bigger, or has the intake just been modified? |
Crashstp
| Posted on Friday, July 18, 2008 - 03:01 pm: |
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LOOK AT THEM NEW HEAT EXCHANGERS...... |
Diablo1
| Posted on Friday, July 18, 2008 - 09:19 pm: |
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Hmm. Looks like they've rediscovered that forward facing radiators cool better than side radiators. That's exactly what Honda found with their RC51 when they went racing. |
Blake
| Posted on Saturday, July 19, 2008 - 06:23 pm: |
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The IL4 racing machines also use enhanced radiators. Most any racing machine of any type that is liquid-cooled via closed system and has significantly enhanced performance will require enhanced radiator(s). |
Diablobrian
| Posted on Saturday, July 19, 2008 - 09:04 pm: |
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The demands of track duty are far greater than those of even the hardest street ride. |
Diablo1
| Posted on Saturday, July 19, 2008 - 11:02 pm: |
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Most any racing machine of any type that is liquid-cooled via closed system and has significantly enhanced performance will require enhanced radiator(s). Ok, I'll bite. How much significantly enhanced power does the 1125 have that it requires relocated radiators? Do you think they have 160 HP at the rear wheel?} |
Elvis
| Posted on Sunday, July 20, 2008 - 01:29 pm: |
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The plot thickens: This is the thing I find most interesting about racing. It's engineering on the edge with clearly quantifiable results. What doesn't work will be forgotten, what does work will likely find its way into future production models. An interesting side note is the photo was taken by Brett McCormick. I keep hoping we'll see Brett on a Buell in Canadian Superbike or even the AMA at some point. |
Elvis
| Posted on Sunday, July 20, 2008 - 01:35 pm: |
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. . . oh, and it's probably more related to the rainy conditions than it is the funky new radiators, but Steve had the 6th best time in practice this morning. . . . not bad for a bike that's probably still down on power against the competition. I think his official finish was 8th yesterday (he was listed at 9th, but at least one rider ahead of him couldn't pass technical). An 8th or better today would be great. The rain may work in his favor. |
Elvis
| Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 02:16 pm: |
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Here's another shot of the latest radiator set-up: . . . along with a press release that indicates they're still running the under-powered engine. http://www.cdnsuperbike.com/index.php?option=com_c ontent&task=view&id=996&Itemid=173 Hopefully they'll have the more powerful engine by August 12 at Mirabel, or it seems like they won't have it this year (though Mirabel looks like a track on which an under-powered Buell could have a chance). Even with the power disadvantage, Steve is at number 7 in points, so that's not bad at all. With a few extra ponies, there's no reason he shouldn't be on the podium. |
Doerman
| Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 11:46 am: |
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It could be interesting at AMP today! Steve took 8th yesterday. In today's practice session his best lap time was equal to yesterday's winning laptime. Go Buell! Go Steve! |
Elvis
| Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 01:48 pm: |
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I just saw that! I wonder what's going on. We've been expecting engine upgrades that haven't seemed to come along yet. It would seem strange to incorporate major changes between the two races. . . . on the other hand, it would be a good way to see how effective a new component is. . . . or it could just be a fluke. A particularly good lap that's not really representative. In any case, I'll be anxiously awaiting this afternoon's results. Since he's 7th in points and had his 8th place finish yesterday, a sixth or seventh today would be very encouraging and show solid steady progress . . . better than that would be GREAT and that practice time suggests we could see something interesting this afternoon. |
Anonymous
| Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 04:19 pm: |
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Steve was running sixth with three laps to go, preparing to pass the 5th place rider, Francis Martin. Martin, on a GSX-R1000, missed a shift just as Steve attempted to pass him. The missed shift caused Martin to slow momentarily, Steve to strike the rear of the GSX-R, and both to crash. It was a disappointment, but the 1125R was the most competitive it has been to date, with Steve looking at a 5th place finish without any drop outs in front of him. |
Elvis
| Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 04:33 pm: |
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Good news/bad news. Big thanks Anony for the update. |
Doerman
| Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 05:53 pm: |
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Well, that's racing... as they say. Anony, thanks for the update. I hope Steve is ok and I would dare say, this is a development year in top flight racing for the 1125R that exceeds my expectations! I's still curious as to what they found between day one and day to to improve laptime by about a sec. That's an astounding improvement in 24 hrs. This is so much fun! |
Reepicheep
| Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 09:32 pm: |
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The Buell 1125R... running over Gixxer 1000's since 2008. Hope everyone is OK, and sorry about the crash. I'm sure both racers wanted a clean race (win or loose)... |
Ov7
| Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 12:42 pm: |
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Steve was in 5th, going for fourth, at the time, McBain, McCormick and Szoke, where just ahead in there on group spaced out. He had just past Peris. Steve had the 2 fastest laps of the race, and was 2nd fastest in sunday morning practice. The last round should be good!!! |
Ov7
| Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 12:44 pm: |
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Steve used a DOT tire again like the 1st race, the turn in was better then using a slick. |
M1combat
| Posted on Friday, August 15, 2008 - 06:30 pm: |
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I've heard through the grapevine that Steve is using a higher powered engine... Anony? |
Responsible
| Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 01:42 pm: |
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The first photo in this thread is of the higher power superbike. The latest version is what Steve rode at Shubenacadie. See <http://www.cdnsuperbike.com/images/stories/gallery /08/rd56_0810_2/img_0747.jpg> for more photos. <http://www.ruthlessracinginc.com/> should have some new photos up soon as well. Pete (Message edited by responsible on August 19, 2008) |
Fresnobuell
| Posted on Saturday, August 23, 2008 - 04:33 pm: |
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Responsible....any impressions of power output by the new engine? |
Elvis
| Posted on Friday, August 29, 2008 - 06:24 pm: |
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Solid 4th place in this afternoon's practice! http://www.cdnsuperbike.com/index.php?option=com_c ontent&task=view&id=1123&Itemid=219 |
Fresnobuell
| Posted on Friday, August 29, 2008 - 09:37 pm: |
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I predict a podium this weekend...Go Steve C. |
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