| Author | Message | ||
     Aaron |
You'd need one hell of a stretched swingarm to get a Buell over 68". | ||
| Blackcatracing |
Thanks Right now were are going to go with a 2" stretch so that we can use Dyna drive belts, which are 2" longer than a Sportster/Buell belt. Thanks | ||
| Jssport |
I see there are at least two Firebolts running at Bonneville by "JDee's Perfomance". One is in P/PP (#643b) the other (#674) is in MPS/PG, it has what looks to be a RR fairing on it, or at least a close copy of one. The production bike got up to 144.918 mph and the modified got up to 149.496 mph. This was on Sun, so we'll find out tomorrow if the return runs netted a record or not. edited by jssport on August 19, 2003 | ||
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| Jim_witt |
Jim, Any more pictures of #674? -JW:>  | ||
| Jssport |
My Bad,.. #674 , it's MPS/PG, (uhh.. the fairing...) the pic,. I stoled it off landracing.com 674 has a chain drive, the production bike is of course the stock belt. It say's "Jdees Performance" on both entries. They are also running 500cc bikes in Production and MPS/PG classes. Who the hell are these guys? I see Davey Camlin has been taking records in the 750 pushrod classes on a HD. I believe this is the XR-750 that MadDuck's friends came down to Maxton with. Real nice people, good luck to them. Where has Maduck been? | ||
| Rattler |
So far, the Short Course records for Monday don't show the #643 getting a record..or #674..not sure if the websight is completely updated yet though. Just what I like..head to head competition...so much for saying a Bolt can only do in the 130's with it's gearing! Also, they had a little drizzle on the course on Sat. night..so they are probably riding on paste right now...the speeds will probably get higher later in the week. Jim, these JDee performance folks didn't pre enter their rides...so they just showed up on the salt I guess. I wonder where they are from? Dale A. lsr#1012 | ||
| Rattler |
Oh..forgot to mention..a motorcycle with a rider named Burns went down..he broke some ribs, but is doing Okay. Dale A. LSR#1012 | ||
| Aaron |
Nice looking faired Firebolt! Well Dale, this is interesting, whoever they are, they're going after your record and mine! But hey, it don't bother me, at least he's doing it with a Buell, I wish him luck, at least on 1000cc MPS-PG. Jim S, the 1000cc MPS-PG record is 161 so his 149 passes didn't qualify him, but he may get there yet, there's lots of time left. Where are you getting your updates? You seem to have the info a little quicker than landracing.com or scta-bni.org. | ||
| Aaron |
Oh, by the way, I see in the results that our buddy from San Jose BMW is out there gunning for us again. Records are made to be broken, I'm not concerned. If he does it he'll have to work for it. If one of these guys succeeds I'll just have to go build a modern 1000cc motor for the RRS2 The XR motor made good power but we could do better with something based on an Evo. | ||
| Jssport |
No Aaron, The two places you mentioned is where most of the info was gleamed from. A little trickles through some of the regional Yahoo XL clubs who have members and friends out there. All the pics and quoted info above came from the landracing/scta-bni sites though. Saw the pics on Jon's site then backtrack the entry # on SCTA site. There hasn't been any updates on either site for quite a while now though, hmmm My T1 connection at work (I'm chained to my phone system in Dante's call center to hell, I think I'm on the 4th level) allows pretty quick access. John Stege is running his XL in 1650 A/PG which is where I plan to start. He is still off of Roadkill's record though. | ||
| Aaron |
Monday's results are posted ... they don't list JDee's as setting a record, although they do show a short course runf for him at 143.331. Could've been a backup run and an inadvertent omission from the records (I've seen that happen before), or it could've been a qualifying run (he didn't run that bike again after that, suggesting it might be in impound). He also managed 160.7 out of his MPS-PG bike! He's doing a good job, gotta hand it to him. I suspect he'll bag'em both before the week is out. | ||
| Jssport |
I see he (Jdee's Performance) also got the 500cc MPS/PG at 123.557 mph driven by a Kevin Kedinger. This guy is a definate competetor. | ||
| Rattler |
Yeah..Aaron, these fella's are doing well right now, I suspect the track will get faster as the week goes on...the Tuesday results are up..no Records for Jdee's other than in 500cc..so that 143. something ran on Monday must not have backed up..but you could be right Aaron, someone just may have overlooked that they do have a Record ...I fully expect them to get it before the end of the week. Oh well, it makes this fun, & I certainly expected it from a "Bolt", that's why I was busy all winter! LOL We are ready to trounce in Sept again...if they don't get the P/PP over 146 MPH, I'm optimistic, we can do better. BTW, Aaron, is that 30 tooth front pulley we dealed on being used? If so, I'll need to get me another one if the Salt ends up pasty in Sept. Dale | ||
| Aaron |
Kevin Kedinger, huh? He's with Team PDC (HD's Product Development Center), no? Is JDee's the new Team PDC factory team, changing the name to stay under the radar? Hmmmm. It's starting to make sense. Well, it's probably better for Buell to have the record held by a current model rather than a model that hasn't been made for 16 years and only 50 were made anyway. So more power to'em. At least in MPS-PG. Dale, I'm running a bike that uses pulleys, I've got one of every size from 26 through 30, and while it's not clear if I'll need that specific one, I need it available just in case. If we don't need it you're certainly welcome to it, but I can't say for sure until we get there and collect some data. | ||
| Rattler |
Thanks Aaron on the pulley...well, instead of dropping 150 bux for one, I'll gamble you won't be utilizing it...may have to wait till the last day of runs...but we'll see. So, you're thinking the JDees team is possibly a factory group in disguise...that's interesting for sure...especially if that team doesn't get the record. As of Today, still no record in 1000 P/PP, & their speeds are going down..two more days yet though...I almost wish they would get it by a MPH or two...so they don't wanna come back this year...say in Oct...but their could be other "Bolts" out their gunning for it too in Sept & Oct. Dale A. | ||
| Firemanjim |
Rattler,I am bringing one also,and at this time am not planning on using it,so we will have 2 of them. | ||
| Rattler |
Cool..thanks Jim..it'll be good to see you again...& that Beautiful bike! Did you guys hear? Looks like on Thursday, they had a storm come in at the Salt....70 MPH winds & 2" of rain! Well, it kind of dampened things, at least they got almost all of the racing in. I guess the folks who went to impound on Thursday AM may never of got a chance to do back ups on Friday...said standing water was on the salt, but not in all places....thats all I know as of now about it. It also appears SCTA has not been putting up all the records on their websight..I know of an individual who got 4 records & he's not even listed...it may have something to do with certifying some records first. So, I can't say if our team lost the 1000 P/PP record or not...by the websight we didn't, but I'm certainly not sure of that. Dale A. LSR#1012 | ||
| Rattler |
Well..just cruised the SCTA sight..the final records are up & Yep we lost the 1000 P/PP on Thursday, but it's only up to 144.626 MPH...see the cut & paste below. Looks like they did get back up runs in this AM as JDee's has one record listed as of today. 643B JDees Performance 1000CC P-PP (OLD)143.079 (NEW)144.626 Kevin Kedinger 21-Aug-03 They also got this one, is this one of the RR1000's records? 674B Jdees Performance 1000CC MPS-PG (old)161.207 (new)169.209 Wes Orloff 22-Aug-03 Aaron..you'll be glad to hear that MotoGuzzi no longer holds the 1350 P/PP either...the Buell Brothers got that one...good dudes! 45B Buell Brothers 1350CC P-PP (OLD)151.588 (NEW)152.338 Joe Taylor 17-Aug-03 Dale A......ready for the running now! | ||
| Aaron |
Hey Dale ... Wes Orloff is an engineer at PDC and frequent participant here, guess that answers that question! Good people, and they did a hell of a job, my hat's off to them! | ||
| Blake |
The XB Engine proves itself on the salt? Too cool. Sure would be interesting to hear the details on that effort. Wow! 169 mph! Shyte. They shattered the TE record! Aaron, you might want one of those XB's after all eh? edited by blake on August 23, 2003 | ||
| Racerx1 |
Hey guys...just got back from the salt. What an awesome experience! First off, despite any day jobs that team members might hold, this was a grass roots effort by a bunch of very dedicated guys who think salt racing is cool. One of our guys even drove his personal truck out on his own time with the bikes. Our sponsors were BRAG, Alpinestars, JDEES performance and Miller Lite. My contribution was minimal and I'm in debt to these guys for even letting me ride the bike, but there was literally thousands of hours of work in all of our garages over the last year. I have a new found respect for anyone who attempts this, a lot harder than it looks! (my first run on 'Anna', our partially streamlined XB was at a stunning 124mph...). I can't say enough about this team and the contributions of each member. I was a rookie to the salt, but it was definatley a challenge keeping up with changing conditions, particularly with the Production XB (which ran 146mph on one occasion....theres more there!). Long story short, 4 bikes, 5 records! I haven't looked up the exact numbers, but JDEES Performance set records in P-PP 500cc (Blast -117mph on a backup run!), MPS-PG 500cc (126mph), M-PG 500cc (122mph), P-PP (XB9 - 144mph), and MPS-PG 1000cc ('Anna' XB9 partial streamlined - 169 mph average, best run of just a smidge under 171mph). I think we could definately go faster with better conditions/more time, but thats probably always the case. I would encourage anyone who's ever thought about it to attempt this. I'm definately hooked... WFO - JDEES Performance | ||
| Firemanjim |
Wes,excellent report and a great job of racing.Not bad for a bunch of Buells.Isn't it amazing how much work is involved.I got sucked into this stuff 2 years ago and its just gotten worse.I am in the middle of prepping 3 bikes for this sept. Loved the paint and bodywork. | ||
| Rattler |
Wes..congrats to your alls Team..ain't this Salt racing just fun! I certainly know what you mean about "all the time Spent in the Garage", etc. Your Team did an outstanding job with the Buell's. Well, records are made to be broken & they give us all something to shoot for...you know one of these days that 1000 P/PP record is gonna be at speeds we never thought of...what am I saying..it's already getting to Speeds we never thought of! LOL! Now Aaron..either you or JDee's needs to go after 1350 P/PP with an XB12! Yeah Buell has it now, & the Buell Brothers Team is a great bunch..their main rider has a beard about 2.5 feet long...it's funny seeing him with it all rubber banded together when he rides. Dale A. | ||
| Jssport |
Wes,.. Congratulations on you teams effort. I am in awe of the fairing work on "Anna". It appears to be a very professional job. I'm wondering what type of fiberglass material and epoxy is best used to modify an airtech fairing. .. any recommendations ?? | ||
| Racerx1 |
jssport, there is a ton of work in the XB fairing....it looks like an RR1000 but there really isn't much that is close. We think we can do better for next year as well. Our fairing was built from female molds taken off of a mock up body using polyester resin and chopper glass over gel coat. Its pretty heavy, but rock solid and very durable. The airtech stuff is directional glass over gel coat using polyester resin. Its light, but kind of junky, doesn't fit well, and spider cracks easily. On the positive side, its relatively affordable and they have a ton of offerings for wierd stuff. Polyester resin is pretty good as it sets up quickly and is easy to repair. Epoxy based resins are lighter and stronger, but take longer to cure and more expensive.....a little tougher to repair. Sharskinz uses epoxy based resin and is the best quality bodywork out there in my opinion. I'd say if your modifying an airtech part, definately go with polyester resin and directional cloth (both available in the 'bondo' kits at most autoparts stores). Good luck out there! WFO | ||
| Jssport |
Thanks for the info, Congrats on your efforts once again.. edited by jssport on September 02, 2003 | ||
| Firemanjim |
Just ordered a S&S 100" motor as the basis for a new turbo engine for 2004.Gonna go round up a bigger turbo,then were gonna go FAST!!!! | ||
| Vr1203 |
Great FireMJ!!!, Did you source a big turbo? | ||
| Firemanjim |
I found one over on the snow mobile forum.They have had several systems for sale.www.snowest.com Though the Turbo Doc says he will have new source by june.I just don't want to wait that long. | ||
| Vr1203 |
If you are going to use a turbo from a snow mobile, you'll have plenty of turbo, those guys run really big ones! | ||
| Jeffb |
FMJ, The heads on that 100" are decked .060". If you call S&S back and talk to the tech dept, you could get those heads undecked. That would take you compression ratio 9.6:1 if I remember c. Standard 100" is 10.3:1. Just a thought since your are going turbo. Jeff | ||
| Firemanjim |
Heads and cylinders are going on the auction block and then special stuffs going on. | ||
| Vr1203 |
FMJ, Are you getting rid of the smaller turbo? | ||
| Blake |
From... http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=10197 Suzuki Hayabusa Streetbike Clocked At 251 MPH In Texas From a press release issued by Scott Guthrie: Scott Guthrie, at age 59-3/4 an aging road racer for sure, slammed Rich Yancy's street legal Suzuki Hayabusa hard through the 250 MPH barrier, to a final official record speed of 251.148 MPH. That's the fastest speed ever recorded for a streetbike, and the fastest record in history for what land speed racers call an "open wheel bike," and the track record. Guthrie's big speed came on his final run Sunday 1 AUG 04 at the TEXAS MILE top speed race (www.texasmile.com) near Goliad, TX. The 251.148 MPH terminal speed was after a standing-start mile run to the timing trap. Guthrie said "With the wind coming up, and the day getting warmer, I knew that run was going to be the only chance in my life to break the 250 MPH barrier. The run before was a 248 MPH time, so I knew the bike was ready. I just had to put down the best pass of my life to get the record." Rich Yancy, an engine man for Dale Earnhardt Inc, trucked his daily ride bike from his home in Charlotte NC to Texas for just this meet, at Guthrie's insistance. "This is the best paved Land Speed Racing track available in the USA, and I knew we had to go there to have any real chance for this record. My agreement to ride for Rich was up Sunday evening, so this was it," Guthrie allowed later. "I knew the bike was capable of that speed, I just had to be the one to ride it." Before Guthrie took over the fast seat, builder Yancy himself made a track-record run of 244.358 MPH. "It is so confidence inspiring that Rich is willing to build and tune the bike, prepare it and deliver it to the track by himself. And then he sets the track record himself, and hands me the keys! I just KNEW the bike was safe, fast, and would run straight." Guthrie glowed, "How many tuners will do that for their riders? Rich is a quiet genius with the bike, and one of the world's best land speed racers, in his own right." Yancy's bike is almost standard in appearance, with stock appearing bodywork and tank, stock forks, stock wheelbase, and full street equipment. The big difference is the addition of a MR TURBO turbo kit, which has been extensively modified by Yancy, including a VERY trick Yancy designed -and-built intercooler. No skinny thing, the bike weighs in at full standard curb weight. "This bike is so docile off the throttle, you get no idea about the power on tap. Rich told me he was going to ride it to work when he got home, and show it off to his friends at the job." Guthrie said. In addition to building the record setting Hayabusa, Yancy had a hand in building the engine for this years' winner of the NASCAR Daytona 500. Terry Kiser, builder of the MR TURBO kit was on hand to watch Guthrie's record breaking 251 MPH blast. Kiser remarked: "Guthrie's run was by no means easy. From 500 yards away, I saw the wind catch him twice. He's lucky he stayed on!" Kiser then took the bars himself, and posted a 239.304 MPH personal best. Guthrie is no stranger to road racing. Long time readers may recall that one of Guthrie's TZ750's finished 8th and 10th in the Daytona 200 in 1983 and 1984, under John Long. |
