| Author | Message | ||
     Mikej |
Plus you might wind up with a whole bunch of other people's name plastered all over your bike's bodywork.  | ||
| Bluzm2 |
And cool Simpson helmet!!! (Thanks again Pammy)  | ||
| Roc |
Well the credit card is sure heating up! Still under budget right now, but for how long? Suggestions for help with rule 7.B.2. Specifically: "fuel motorcycles must have a fuel shutoff operable without moving the hands from the handlebars" and "fire resistant or fireproof connecting lines and fittings." Where do I buy these things? Also 7.F.12: "If a streamlined seat or tail section is used, it cannot extend further to the rear than a vertical line at the rear edge of the rear tire. An exception will be given to a motorcycle that is otherwise legal as a production frame wth modifications allowed only to the engine (carburetors, pipes, etc.). - Can I run the S2 bodywork with a turbo in this class? | ||
| Aaron |
7.B.2: Two ways to go that I'm aware of ... - Pingel makes a petcock with a remote cable that attaches to your handlebar and can be operated with your thumb. - The RR's and RS's use 12VDC solenoid valves. They're made by Precision Dynamics. Factory ones are B-series, part number B2017-BB-BI-GV. That means 3/16 orifice, 1/8" npt fittings, brass body, bottom inlet, gasoline valve. That's adequate for a street motor, but pretty small for a race motor. I've ordered some D2019-BB-GV's, which are 3/8 orifice and use 1/4" npt fittings. They're physically bigger. These valves run about $50 each, prepay by check/money order only, and there's a 3 week lead time. On the fire sleeve, it's required for any unvalved portions of the fuel lines. It's readily available. Check racer supply houses like Pegasus or Speedway. 7.F.12: My interpretation is that as long as it's S2 stuff, you're okay. | ||
| Roc |
Thank you Aaron. | ||
| Madduck |
Aaron, I was looking at the Guzzi site this weekend. In most of their descriptions of the 1350 cc p-pp bike they say they are using raceco big valve heads. I thought only stock heads were allowed in this class?? Have I missed something important in the rules?? Paul | ||
| Aaron |
Hey Paul, Yeah, the rules say OEM heads and cylinders. If those aren't based on OEM castings, I can't see how they'd be legal. But I don't know if they are or not. AW | ||
| Rattler |
Well guys, if we see them at Maxton this weekend, I'll see if I can bust them! I wouldn't know an OEm head or otherwise on a Guzzi though. Their usually is one or two other bikes their that may make a comparison. I'm riding the bike down from Ohio...about 1200 miles round trip! Paul..one thing on OEM heads..I had my heads decked way down to where the bottom fin was razor sharp instead of a thick fin like the rest. I just used some epoxy & built up a fake fin that showed externally & painted it over. Their are always ways to do some creative things in this Production Class. Dale A. | ||
| Court |
Dale: Have a safe trip and keep us posted. Hmmmm..cheating at racing?...now there's a new twist! Ride safe, Court | ||
| Gcpoland |
Like the man said," It ain't cheating, till you get caught." Gary | ||
| Madduck |
Rattler, I thought the definition of oem was straightforward. The statement that they bought raceco heads would tell me that they were not oem. An interesting side note is that on the raceco web site they state that after april they are no longer supplying guzzi parts??? | ||
| Rattler |
Paul says: ***I thought the definition of oem was straightforward. The statement that they bought raceco heads would tell me that they were not oem. **** You're right Paul..the rule is straightforward...doesn't mean everyone is following it. If the Guzzi guys are getting away with it, & Inspectors know no difference, they'll continue. I'll look em over if they show up at Maxton...maybe get a pic or two...just wait until Bonny & get em if their is a need. Problem is they may run In August or Oct. I have no need to protest them unless competing against them & that class. It costs some dough to protest too. All it takes is to whisper in the Inspectors ear for them to prove or document their heads are OEM beofre they pass them thru tech. Dale A. | ||
| Jssport |
Sidney got a top speed of 165 mph at Maxton, He took 3 production records at 151+, 152+ and 158+ mph. The records don't list him taking a class at 165 mph. Hmm.... He has both EV (stock?) and Raceco heads. Sidney is a good guy even if he does ride an Italian Harley, I can't see him out and out cheating, I think there is a lot more to this story. I think I'll drop him a note and find out. | ||
| Aaron |
I think the key is whether "Raceco heads" refers to Guzzi factory heads as prepared by Raceco, or some non-Guzzi factory casting. | ||
| Jssport |
Raceco makes aftermarket heads for Guzzi, 2 and 4 valve heads. If he used them in the Production class it is illegal. http://www.raceco.com/ You can change heads in the modified class but they must have the same # of valves as stock. If you go from 2 to 4 you must run altered classes only. My question is "In what class did the 165 mph run occur" "What heads did you use in the Production class" | ||
| Madduck |
Rattler, Jssport My only point was that there are several documents on their web site talking about the 1100 sport they are building to run in the production class and in both of them they refer to the "raceco" heads. In 2000 and 2001 they ran them as is. This year they sent them to someone to have them flowed. I would love the option of having aftermarket H-D performance parts to chose from, I want there to be a loophole in the rules that I can benefit from. How liberal a definition is this oem rule  | ||
| Roc |
On my S2 I plan on using the new style front motor mount when switching to the T-storm heads, it will give me another mounting point for the intercooler. The new style mount looks weaker and I know they are porous, should I be concerned about it failing? | ||
| Peter |
I hope not Roc. I'm mounting my intercooler off it too...... PPiA | ||
| Henrik |
The latest news from Team Elves is up on the Team Elves site. Crew Chief, Aaron Wilson announces the plans for this years event (you will be as exited about this as we are - guaranteed), and we have the hotel booking info available as well. Book early - it's going to be a great year Henrik (web hack) | ||
| Peter |
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| Aaron |
 LOTS of work left to do, but it's looking more like a race bike. | ||
| Peter |
I'm getting that Bonneville itch again..... PPiA | ||
| Rattler |
Paul, Jim, others..I gotta look at Sidneys bike real well at Maxton. The Raceco heads look just like stock externally....that's why he's able to use them I suppose. Sidney had dealer brochures also & you can't tell the difference in the heads compared to those pics. I dunno, I used HD OEM heads Paul when i ran production, although they were totally home brewed internally...externally they looked the same & had the original OEM part number. Dale A. | ||
| Aaron |
But the wording of the rule book is "OEM heads and cylinders", not OEM appearance. If they're a different casting, I can't imagine how they'd be legal. | ||
| Madduck |
Rattler, Aaron If no production guzzi was delivered with "raceco" heads I would think they would be illegal. If oem means "looks like oem" I have a "lot" more options for going faster. Our talks with the scta officials convice me otherwise so we will be sticking with oem "buell" parts per the parts manual etc. The Guzzi web site lists this bike as having set the new production 2000 cc record at 142 and change running below 8000 rpm?? I do not want to get in a challenge position, but this sure would seem to be an easy dq given the documentation on the web site. Paul | ||
| Rattler |
Paul....we know about their heads..so that's a get of jail free card in your pocket if needed. I'm a go by the rules kinda guy, I suspect you are too. Do it the right way & pull your card out of your pocket if needed. The only problem with this is you may be running at USFRA, while the Cooked Goose team runs in SCTA usually...so you may not cross paths. No one would be the wiser at the Speed meets unless another competitor raises the question & that could be the main issue here. I can't tell you 100% sure if they had OEM heads modified by RaceCo or purchased Raceco Part numbered heads! Dale A. | ||
| Aaron |
I contacted Sheldon and he says they are OEM castings. | ||
| Madduck |
Aaron, Thanks for the info. An english friend tells me that they may or may not qualify as oem heads depending on the santioning body. Lack of guzzi part numbers could disqualify them as the guzzi heads have a part number and the raceco heads may not. This is so far beyond my level of expertise that I would not bother protesting them. I expect we will be legal and faster so am not that concerned. The sportster list people who had the record may have more interest. $100.00 for a definitive ruling doesn't seem out of line here. | ||
| Jssport |
We need Production Class Racer to come to Maxton and retake the 1350cc and 2000cc Pushrod Production Records from Sydney and the Guzziphiles. Theese guys are insufferable as they are bragging on taking all production pushrod classes. Dale and I still have the 1000 P/PP there but those Italin Harley riders have sworn to recapture it. Surely there has to be Firebolt and a built S series bike on the east coast which can accomplish this. So who's got the goods? Jim S | ||
| Jssport |
Aaron, I though the RR1000 was retired?, what's the above pic in reference to? Jim S |
