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Aaron
Posted on Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 11:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, well, I heard his head is DOT approved, no additional helmet required in all 50 states. (just kidding, Joe!)

RR right side

RR left side

Damn, it appears Photopoint won't let me link to anything bigger than 640x480. We'll get some 1024x768's up on the team site. They look good, and you can read all the names.

AW
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Stoef
Posted on Monday, October 22, 2001 - 02:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Aaron and Susan,

I got my T-shirt today!!
Thank you!!!

Stoef
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Sparky
Posted on Sunday, November 04, 2001 - 11:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Why are these guys smiling?
130 mph club
There's something about getting into the 130 mph Club that puts a smile on your face!

Sparky
96S1, 98S3
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Rocketman
Posted on Monday, November 05, 2001 - 06:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

TRUE :)

Rocket in England
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Jssport
Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 12:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The 1350cc P/PP was taken by a Guzzi this last year. While a feel a properly tuned sportster might be able to get in the low 150's, a Buell would be better suited for the job.

Has this target been consifered by any one here yet?
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Jssport
Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 12:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My spill cheeker is broke.
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Aaron
Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes.
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Jssport
Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 02:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes meaning ??

There will be an entry from Elves in 1350cc P/PP ??
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Aaron
Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 05:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Team Elves does not at this time have a confirmed plan to contest it, no.

Not to say I don't expect a Buell or two to give it a shot, though.
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Court
Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 07:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The direction of TEAM ELVES 2002 is, in lawyer language, under discussion.

Lots of good ideas, good options and good opinions.

Watch for news soon.

Court
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Aaron
Posted on Monday, January 14, 2002 - 10:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

More Elves in the news ...

Hot Rod Bikes Feb '02

The Enthusiast Fall '01
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Aaron
Posted on Monday, January 14, 2002 - 10:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

2001 Trophy

Here's a virtual trophy for EVERYONE who supported the program. Congratulations!
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Aaron
Posted on Monday, January 14, 2002 - 10:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hot Rod Bikes March '02

The Sportster List Team got some ink recently, too!!! Well deserved.


Sportster List Team

Here's the color version of that photo in the magazine ... this looks spectacular blown up to an 8x10, it's amazing what the salt can do in terms of making colors look bright. Taken with my little Fuji 6800 Zoom, in 3.3Mpixel mode. L to R: Dale Amsden (builder and crew chief), Tim Horton (pilot), yours truly (crew).
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Jssport
Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 01:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

LSR 1350 P/PP record

I understand the 1350 P/PP record at Maxton was raised to 165-166 mph by a Guzzi. The existing record at Bonneville is 151+ by a Guzzi.

I know the "Elves" have been thinking about this class.

Heads Up


Jim Snyder
LSR# 504
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 01:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

From Aaron's post on the GDB...


Quote:

LSR news ... we have 3 confirmed racers:

Paul Elliot (Madduck) - preparing an S2
Jim Higgins (Fireman Jim) - preparing an S2
Myself - preparing a Blast and a to-be-announced effort

There are a couple more "possibles" but these are the absolutely positively for sure spending money and doing the work now deal.

We could use a few more. Rocky? Those boosted class records have your name on them!

Team Elves will pay some of the operating expenses for anyone who seriously wants to build a bike (Buell only) and join us in September in pursuit of records. The team will pay entry fees, and that ain't chump change.


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Pilot
Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 05:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am at this moment trying to organise to place myself at the Salt to help out with this years event .What I need to know is how to get from Salt Lake City to the Salt,Where to stay,and what to bring? I am probably only going to get a week off work.I can fly from Townsville-Cairns-Japan-San Francisco-Salt Lake City .or Townsville-Brisbane-Auckland-Los Angeles-Salt Lake City. I Thank You in advance for any ideas.
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 06:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ross:

We have you covered. You get to Salt LAke City...let me know when you arrive and I will have a car waiting for you.

LSR Dates


I'll get together with you regarding details. Watch the TEAM ELVES site for info on hotels. If you get here, the rest will be easy. We'd love to have you.

Court
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Mikej
Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 09:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hmmmmm, that M-PF class looks awful tempting for someone, and all those S2's gettin' prepped for a run. Dang 2002 schedule, maybe next year. Maybe I'll tweak and streak the M2. Hmmmmmm, thinking, hmmmmmm.
MikeJ (Wondering what the current odds are on Powerball.)
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ps, Pilot,
From Salt Lake City (aka: SLC), go west on I-80 (I = interstate highway) for a few hours (unless you're walking, then it will take longer, but Court seems to have you covered, unless you want to walk it, then allow a few days or so), and just before you get to Wendover you go north a little bit.
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Roc
Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 02:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm going to get a rule book but my current thoughts are:
M-PBF, as is no fairing
MPS-PBF, as is
A-PBG, small S1 tank and no fairing
A-PBF, small S1 tank and no fairing
APS-PBG, small S1 tank and S2 fairing
APS-PBF, small S1 tank and S2 fairing

I think I'll use pump gas and octane booster for the F classes. What octane is the Fuel they have you use for the G classes?

Now I'm going to be running the international gearing on a stock S2 with the Aerocharger. Aerocharger will have innercoolers for the bike in June, and I will probably do that. I may go to T-storm heads too but not right now. Firemanjim went 133 on an S2 that made 72RWHP at sea level, using that as a base I am thinking about 160 = 127RWHP with the fairing.

Realistic? Comments?
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Aaron
Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 03:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They have a variety of fuels available, I believe any of the ERC gasolines sold on-site are legal in the "G" classes. ERC110 meets about 95% of the needs from what I can tell. Take a look here.

For the "F" classes, you don't actually have to change the fuel. They don't care. The only real difference is you have to have a sealed tank (by the ERC guy) to claim a qualifying run or record in the "G" classes, and there's no such requirement in the "F" classes.

If 72hp supports 133 on a given bike, 160 would take 125.4hp on that same bike.

I'm sure glad you're joining us
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 03:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

WAY too many classes. Try to narrow it down to just a few of your better prospects. Maybe talk to the other entrants to see what they are interested in running and try to divide the classes amongst you.
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Mikej
Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 03:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

130 & 150 club rules just for a refresher. Break 140mph and you're out of the 130 club attempt, break 160 and your out of the 150 club attempt.
I remember the posting about Brian having to get licensed for the record attempts, something about various levels he had to ride at without breaking a maximum barrier? Probably in the archives. Just some stuff to keep in the back of the mind.
MikeJ (wondering where to acquire a 160+mph speedo, maybe...)
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Aaron
Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 04:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, just due to procedures, you can generally only set a maximum of one record per day, which means 4 records at a given event (what happened to us in '00 was the exception, because of threatening weather they changed procedures and just let us run).

That's the right idea, though, figure out all the classes you could configure the bike for, then prioritize based on factors such as the importance of the class, softness of the records, expected improvements you'll be making as you get the bike more dialed in, likliehood of the record standing longer, hassle factor in moving from one configuration to the other, etc.

Brian didn't have to do anything special for licensing, he was riding in the truck with me. Richard, though, had to make a pass over 125 but under 150, collect his "D" license, then make a pass between 150 and 175, and collect his "C" license. He did all that in '00. License passes can be qualifying or record passes, too. They just want to make sure you don't make too big of a jump in speed all at once, the license system forces you to maintain a little bit of a controlled ascension rate.

Hmm, wonder if he ever collected his "B" license after he went over 175 this last year. I don't think he did! We did those 180+ passes back to back on the last day.

Running over 175 also qualifies you to run the long course, 3 timed miles instead of 1.
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Pilot
Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 04:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Court I would like to arrive the day before which would make it Sept 19. Will keep you posted. Thanks again Ross.
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Roc
Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 06:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If the Elves want to pay my fees then I will race for whatever they want me to. My preference is MPS-PBF and then M-PBF, basically because I don't need to do anything to change the bike. Other than that all records are open, so at any speed two runs would net a record - right? If no one else runs why not go for as many as possible?

4 records per day, is that for the team, for the rider, or for the bike? Could it be as easy as changing the gas tank and giving the keys to another team member?
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Aaron
Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 06:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"4 records per day, is that for the team, for the rider, or for the bike?"

No, one record maximum per day, for a 4 day event, equals 4 records maximum for the duration of the event. That's because once you "qualify" (i.e. make a pass over the existing record), you put your bike in impound. It's out of commission for the day. Once a day they take all the impounded bikes to the start line for back up runs. They either do it in the afternoon or the next morning. The last day, they do it in the afternoon.

Of course Team Elves will pay your entry fees! There are some minimal requirements, like we want you to list "Team Elves" as the entry name and we'll want you to place certain decals on your bike and list certain companies on your "sponsors" list. And of course it has to be a bonafide record attempt, with a Buell, at WOS, not someone just looking to get on the salt at the team's expense. You certainly meet that description.

We're not telling people what class or classes to go after, that's completely your choice. It's okay to have overlap, it improves the chances of a Buell-owned record, and that's what this is all about, putting "Buell" next to as many of the records as possible.
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 08:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Roc:

Your application for TEAM ELVES support has been reviewed and approved!

:)

Court
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Roc
Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 10:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Aaron and Court. 4 records per "event" - I should pay attention.
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Peter
Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 04:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Roc,
Thank you. I was getting annoyed that those turbo records would go begging because it's out of my reach to ship my bike there this year.
Good luck. If I can help from here in anyway, let me know. I will still be trying to get there again without my bike.
PPiA
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Roc
Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 02:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Peter - Thank you for your offer to help, but be warned; I may take you up on it.

Aaron - when they impound the bike does it need to have the turbo on it? Could two bikes share a turbo?
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