| Author | Message | ||
     Cdh4088 |
Can I buy and download 2010 xb parts and service manuals anywhere? Ill pay for them, Id rather have them in pdf instead of paper. I found a few of the older ones here and there, but i need the 2010 ones thanks. | ||
| Froggy |
Nope. Harley/Buell never offered an electronic version to the public. There are some pirated/stolen copies floating around on the web if you look hard enough, but don't link to them here. | ||
| Court |
>>>>Harley/Buell never offered an electronic version to the public. That's not entirely accurate . . . . well, it is with respect to the 2010. The one year we DID offer an electronic copy it was as if someone had thrown a hand grenade into the Harley-Davidson machine. One thing the development team at Buell was INSISTENT on was that the PARTS AND SERVICE MANUAL SHOULD ALWAYS SHIP WITH THE FIRST BIKE. This created an annual battle between the folks at Buell (who were not, themselves, blameless) and the staff of the Harley-Davidson Technical Publications group. I'd listen in meetings to how John Deere would not allow "Job #1" to leave the last station on the production line unless the service manual was sitting on the seat. I'd never really thought of it but it was akin to a Cardinal Sin to send something to a customer . . . the person more likely than all the marketing in the world to influence the future purchases of other potential buyers . . .without the ability to perform proper service per the factory specs and procedures (procedures, as many of you know, are critical on many Buell parts) Like I say . . . . no one was blameless. It was REALLY tough to get those early bikes to the staff at Technical Publications to start tearing apart and photographing and writing the procedures. There were ALWAYS things . . . say the wiring harness . . that were subject to very late delivery and the promised date (I have the actual schedules in Primvera) was almost always busted. The next big problem was that when the Technical Publications group did their work they send the drafts back to Engineering for review and correction. Well . . you can see this one coming. They'd gotten it late . . . then they lost a couple weeks waiting on last minute part changes. . . and about the time we got the drafts the entire engineering staff was going 7 days a week 14 hours a day trying to prepare photo bikes for magazines, work out production kinks and prep for production and the dealer show. We never, that I recall, shipped simultaneously, but . . with a lot of help and cooperation from the TechPubs folks got much better. The scariest scenario is a "just call us" situation. You introduce the chance, and elevate the probability, of 2 different owners/dealers getting 2 different answers. It's like putting out a forest fire with a straw and a cup of water. The ideal situation . . . . and tremendous thought went into this for a good deal of time. . . . would be an owner accessible web address with updates, something similar to what Jeppsen used to do for pilots fight manuals. The online library would ALWAYS be up to date (there are no, or few, Buell (or any brand for that matter) manuals that aren;t littered with errors. . many of which can cause big problems. Imagine if you saw the:
Pretty cool. It would be very possible for you and I to be working on our vintage Buell S1 Lightnings . . . .and both looking at the Factory Service Manual and both reading different things. Cooler yet . .. and the subject, again, of a great deal of thought, would be to provide something like an iPad Mini that, from the date of delivery allowed the customer access, perhaps from that device only, to the current and current information. In addition. . .the idea would be for the dealer to be able o poll the customers data file to find all the unique (if any . . . trust me a number of the first 1190RS are not identical and there are a couple GREAT stories you may get to read someday) attributes of the customs bike as well as a complete history and to be able to access ELVIS info to know each and every part that went on the bike, who put it on, what order it went on and what the final torque was . . . sort of information. Anyway. . . . . there were some dreams of a customer service system that would be the envy of the world and one of the first steps was to get service information and product delivery synched as well as possible. But . . yep . . .one year there was a Factory Service Manual on CD and one year there was an Owners Manual on CD. I just happened to end up with a bunch of them . . Great memories.  | ||
| Cdh4088 |
Looks like both the parts and service books came with the bike I just bought. I may scan them for easier usage later Would HD pursue those that made the manuals available to everyone online for free? The paper copies are sure to get scarce and very expensive. | ||
| Court |
>>>Would HD pursue those that made the manuals available to everyone online for free? No. Harley-Davidson, about the same time they abandoned the various Buell trademarks, gave their legal department a directive to spend no time/money pursuing Buell related issues. But, Harley-Davidson aside, they are still copyrighted material which is United States Federal law . . . therefore, Badweb has steadfastly adhered to a practice of not enabling the distribution of the illegal material. There is good news . . . . 1) There are plenty of manuals out there and they are REALLY good. (I personally prefer paper . . . but sure see why a .pdf would be nice) 2) The illegal copies are everywhere. 3) I have purchased a copy of every Buell manual since 1987 and maintain a complete library to assist owners. | ||
| Bluzm2 |
Court, if memory serves, weren't we given permission to scan and post old Buell manuals? Maybe around 3 years ago or so? | ||
| Nadz |
Here's what I did to get ready for cross-country rides: 1. Bought all three (parts, service, electrical) manuals with the bike. 2. Took 'em to a campus print shop and had 'em three-hole-drill and cleave the binding off with a huge hydraulic knife. 3. Put the now loose pages in some heavy-duty binders for shop use. (bonus- books lie flat now) 4. Pumped all pages thru an HP high-speed scanner, and put on cheap-o netbook! Having manuals saved my ass when I had to do a wiring debug in TN and the clutch pack in TX, etc etc. So before you follow conventional advice to buy extra belts, posi-locks, bearings, whatever... better have the manuals somehow or you won't even know what you need to fix! This was a first for me- ordinarily I just torrent whatever books or manuals I need, but even if they had been available, I didn't want to rob EB. -Nadz |
