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Simond
| | Posted on Friday, March 14, 2014 - 10:49 am: | 
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My '09 bike has always had a 1700rpm tickover from cold. I can't remember what the cold start was like on my '06 12R. |
Rcf2
| | Posted on Sunday, March 23, 2014 - 09:15 pm: |
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Drove 100mi and everything is perfect, bike running strong and fast but fuel consume is higher about 15% from the original HD ECM. |
Fltwistygirl
| | Posted on Sunday, March 23, 2014 - 09:21 pm: |
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"fuel consume is higher about 15% from the original HD ECM."
Our '09 XT went down. Give it time. Good luck. B. |
Rcf2
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 10:41 pm: |
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Drove 200 miles and confirm a fuel consume about 15% higher and cold idle at 1.800rpm BUT a wider powerband! I'm very happy with the small but consistent improvement on handling that the extra power provide. Check spark plug today and the combustion seems perfect. EBR was kind enough to confirm I should expect this fuel consume increase and the higher idle at cold.  |
Kennywiz
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - 07:55 am: |
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Huh! I was told I had the EBR EMC and my fan runs after I turn the bike off. It was supposedly installed in 2008 right after the bike's purchase. How can one verify?
Thanks |
Dtaylor
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - 08:49 am: |
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Ken, you very well might have an EBR ECM with the old fan logic.
My EBR ECM has "For Race Use Only" printed on the top. |
Woodnbow
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - 10:27 am: |
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Mine's the same as Dtaylor. "For race use only." 09 XB12X |
Froggy
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - 10:36 am: |
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quote:It was supposedly installed in 2008 right after the bike's purchase. How can one verify?
There was no EBR Race ECM available till sometime early in 2010. EBR didn't even exist in 2008.
Pop off your seat, the ECM will have "RACE USE ONLY" etched into it if it is a real Race ECM. It is possible the stock ECM was modified with a 3rd party tool, but that is not easy to verify. |
Froggy
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - 10:40 am: |
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Also, I experienced fuel economy going up with the Race ECM, if yours went down you are likely twisting the fun stick more. |
Kennywiz
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - 10:49 am: |
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Ok then it must have been modified by the dealership as it does NOT say "RACE USE ONLY". Sorry to hijack
Thanks! |
Uly_man
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - 01:38 pm: |
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"I was told I had the EBR EMC and my fan runs after I turn the bike off". It may well do so if the engine is hot enough. The 08 plus bikes ECMs are DDFI-3 and have a LOT more going on inside them than the previous DDFI-2 version IE Control parameters.
If you have not got it the fan control ECM flash is what you need. The way to know is to get the bike hot and listen to see if the fan comes on at about 20 mph and go off at about 15 mph. You also want to make sure your oil cooler is getting hot as well. If you can keep your hand on it after a good ride there is something wrong with it. |
Rcf2
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - 02:19 pm: |
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Uly, what you mean with 'The way to know is to get the bike hot and listen to see if the fan comes on at about 20 mph and go off at about 15 mph.'? EBR ECU have this behavior? |
Uly_man
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - 02:29 pm: |
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Kennywiz bike does NOT have an EBR ECM, for the stated reasons, but can have the later fan logic ECM update if he wants it. I do not know if it can be done on the EBR ECM.
If you run the bike as I stated you will KNOW if it has been done. |
Guzzidad
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2014 - 08:47 pm: |
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I just purchased and installed the EBR Race ECM for my 09 Uly XT. Holy Crap! It's like it unlocked the engine. I never expected this much improvement. Should have done it years ago. |
Hport
| | Posted on Saturday, April 26, 2014 - 12:40 pm: |
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Guzzidad,
Did the EBR ECM smooth out the idle?
How did it impact your MPG?
Can the ECM maps be modified? |
Guzzidad
| | Posted on Saturday, April 26, 2014 - 07:53 pm: |
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HPort, I don't think the idle smoothed much but but off idle through the rev range is more smooth and the engine spools up way faster. The idle is different though. I don't have enough miles on it yet to report on fuel consumption. I'll put a couple of hundred miles on tomorrow and check it out. I'm pretty sure you can't modify the ECM |
Guzzidad
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2014 - 08:41 pm: |
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Ok, I went for a short ride Sunday, around 200 miles. I only had to fill the tank once and I got 45mpg. Another observation I had was there is way less engine braking. Probably due to a little richer fuel mixture.
What inspired me to finally spend the money was another Sunday ride where I paired up with a friend of mine on his XR?? Sportster and we did a 4th gear roll on comparison. He pulled 2 bike lengths on me. Next time we meet I guarantee the results will be reversed. In fact, he has expressed he wants to start in 2nd gear this time and I have no doubt at all that this will compound the lead I take on him. |
Froggy
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2014 - 10:03 pm: |
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quote:Another observation I had was there is way less engine braking. Probably due to a little richer fuel mixture.
Nope, the IAC settings are different on the Race ECM, they reduce the engine braking. |
Xtrmbkr
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2014 - 10:05 am: |
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What is the process for installing a preprogrammed EBR ECM on a Ulysses? |
Dtaylor
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2014 - 02:02 pm: |
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Plug it in and do a TPS procedure for your year of bike.
If the bike is a Ulysses, this is also a great time to relocate the ECM. |
Hport
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2014 - 09:47 pm: |
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Guzzidad,
The EBR ECM sounds like it would fit what I'm looking for, thanks for the feedback.
So my next question would be is there any advantage to get an ECM from EBR or can the stock ECM by remapped to provide the same fuel & ignition mapping?
I have an 08 Uly with stock exhaust ( valve open) and K&N filter.
Mainly looking for improved off idle and low speed engine smoothness. |
Ratbuell
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2014 - 10:13 pm: |
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Hook the valve back up and you'll get the results you want. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Thursday, May 01, 2014 - 08:44 am: |
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I don't know if the stock ECM can be remapped to the EBR ECM settings, but if that was your goal, you should just buy the EBR ECM. They put a lot of time and money (dyno time) into developing it.
Or buy somebody elses map that they developed and are willing to sell.
Or freely used a map that an individual or community decided to build and share freely.
Or build your own map and sell it or share it freely.
It's nice that we have such great tools now to be able to play with the fueling... for somebody like me that is sick of taking apart carbs on two stroke dirt bikes based on the temperature, this stuff is wonderful. |
Kennywiz
| | Posted on Thursday, May 01, 2014 - 08:51 am: |
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I have not been able to find the EBR ECM map files anywhere. I ordered the EBR ECM and had some issues and returned it. Turns out some of those issues may not have been ECM related as I thought. I have an OEM ECM with whatever that latest HD dealer flash is and the $35 ECMSPY seems a much better route than $300+ to EBR for another ECM that I don't need. Would someone be able to copy the map?
I too have an 08 with OEM pipe and K&N. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Thursday, May 01, 2014 - 12:38 pm: |
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Better for who? Certainly not for the people at EBR that worked so hard to develop the map...
They only sell the map as part of an ECM, which is annoying but probably inevitable given the likelihood of your average amateur screwing up the download, or theft of the map.
The good news is that you can likely sell your old ECM for $100 easily to recoup your purchase... unless it has a problem, in which case you need a new ECM anyway.
$300 for a professionally developed dyno tuned exhaust gas analyzed map isn't unreasonable at all.
Or rent some dyno time and become and hire some experts and develop your own map. Then sell it (without an ECM) or give it away however you want. I wouldn't mind having a second one for my Uly to play with without jeopardizing my ability to return to stock.
I'd love to remap my 2006 Saab 9-3 V6 turbo, I could probably gain close to 100 HP. But it's $600 for the reprogramming. So far, I've chosen to live without it because I have other priorities for $600 in cash. |
Froggy
| | Posted on Thursday, May 01, 2014 - 01:24 pm: |
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quote:They only sell the map as part of an ECM, which is annoying but probably inevitable given the likelihood of your average amateur screwing up the download, or theft of the map.
Not to mention that the map is only a small part of the puzzle. I've seen both stock and race configurations side by side, night and day different with how they handle things. |
Uly_man
| | Posted on Thursday, May 01, 2014 - 02:50 pm: |
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The ECM, EBR, OEM or otherwise, programming does not only the fueling but the timing as well and of course interact with each other. This "program" is fearsomely complicated and there is something of an "art" to getting it right on a bike. It is not just the numbers or is it a "Plug and Play" situation either for many and varied reasons no matter what anyone says.
I have no idea what EBR mean by a "race" ECM for road use. What I do know, as tried one, is that proper race setup on a bike used on the road is something you DO NOT WANT. Scary as Hell to say the least.
It depends on what you are trying to achieve but no amount of Dyno work and "seat of the pants" testing/ adjustment will "iron out" the nature of the XB engine. But if you are after a sweet "road going" setup I would look through to ECM numbers of the 10 bikes setup. Yes I know it has the second O2 sensor but it should be a very good guide. |
Hport
| | Posted on Thursday, May 01, 2014 - 06:16 pm: |
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Ratbuell,
Perfect suggestion…!
That is my next step in sorting out the new to me bike. I have most everything else worked out, just want to get the off idle straightened out.
The EBR ECM sounds like the way to go if I still need to. |
Uly_man
| | Posted on Friday, May 02, 2014 - 01:50 pm: |
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"just want to get the off idle straightened out". You should also ensure that the two throttle cables are adjusted correctly as if not it can cause all sorts of problems. I have had it before. |
Hport
| | Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2014 - 09:39 pm: |
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Uly_man, Ratbuell,
Adjusted the cables and hooked up the exhaust actuator, took the bike out for a test run in the hills, off idle and low speed response in better ! It was raining and the roads were a mess, so only managed 45 minutes, but low end is much improved… thanks for the suggestions.
I did notice a flat spot around 60-65mph when twisting the throttle once I got back on the pavement, not there before or at least noticeable. It also seems to have less pull at WOT, I adjusted according the manual. No complaints, just observations.
A big change for the better not mentioned before was that I had a ECM with cracked connector causing fits every now and then. I got an 09 ECM from a fellow inmate on the board and from what I understand it has an updated map compared to the 08 ECM. Relocated next to battery and no more stumbling and hard starts at times.
Anyhow, not much left to do but ride… and help my son get his Speed Triple sorted out, the prince of darkness lives ! |
Arry
| | Posted on Sunday, May 04, 2014 - 01:55 pm: |
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After you hooked up the actuator, did you check that it is operating properly? If it's not opening, that might cause your current symptoms |
Hport
| | Posted on Sunday, May 04, 2014 - 02:17 pm: |
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Yep…
Checked it during adjustment and again after everything was warmed up and running, actuator is pulling to the end where the cable is marked. |
