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Buellerxt
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2013 - 09:29 pm: | 
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LOL Hey, we're all very different, no doubt. I live in the Houston area and ride my Uly all year long, comfortably!  Melting holes in pistons! Hyperbole has it's place but come on Man. Spring, summer, and Fall riding in South Texas is GOOD on a Uly, just like winter riding! The motor and rider get plenty of air. In fact, because of the relatively minimal protection from the wind, winter riding can be the worst of the seasons here. Like I said though, we're all different. |
Sagehawk
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2013 - 11:05 pm: |
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Buewolf: lets spend a bit of time on our scoots this winter and see what we can do on heat, pinging, engine management. Get ready for next summer. Always looking to improve the Buells! |
Uly_man
| | Posted on Saturday, November 23, 2013 - 09:49 pm: |
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Buewulf. While some 06 bikes do run very hot, mine did even in a UK winter, they should NOT. You should only start to notice it past 86F, I know Texas gets a lot hotter, but the bike should still run ok at 110F.
One thing I found on my 06 bike was that the oil cooler hardly worked at all. I do not know why as I never got a chance to check it out but it will kill the cooling of the engine. It may be worth checking yours and the 8 matrix oil cooler works better as well IE More cooling.
Just as a side note my 10 bikes engine hardly gets hot in 80F weather at 80 mph. You can, just about, even hold your hand on the engine casings as well. You could not even get close to them on the 06 bike and everything on the bike was VERY hot as well. The engine still run right though?
Have a look at the situation as it may help as will moving the breathers which is cheap, easy and works for better idle and engine running even on a 10 bike.
Good luck. |
Buewulf
| | Posted on Monday, November 25, 2013 - 11:34 am: |
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Thanks Ulyman. I actually spray out the oil-cooler pretty frequently, though there could potentially be something restricting flow. Is the larger cooler a direct fit? Pinging was always a problem, but much more so with the EBR ECM it seems. I think I need to just see if I can repair the stock ECM and put it back on. I may give a shot at softening the timing a bit, too. It is fine below 80° F so long as I don't get stuck in some nasty traffic. So that is at least 4-months of ping-free riding here in TX.
All different indeed BuellerXT! You are more of a man that me I suppose. Understand I consider anything above 75° to be uncomfortably hot weather. I can barely stick my head outside the door here in July without succumbing to heat stroke much less gear up and ride a motorcycle. And the humidity has me looking for a way to add a scuba tank and regulator to my riding jacket to mitigate the risk of drowning. I rode year-round when I lived in Colorado, so I have no issue at all with the "winters" we have here in Houston. Perfect riding weather for me.
Sagehawk, that sounds good to me. I'm going to try to man up this spring and summer and get some more riding in. (Of course, I said that last summer , too: the result was only about 800 miles between March and this past October. Not manly enough!) |
Hughlysses
| | Posted on Monday, November 25, 2013 - 12:54 pm: |
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Buewulf- I live in a climate with similar temps (coastal SC) and I never had pinging issues with my 07. Hopefully it is something that can be corrected with tweaking.
Is the larger cooler a direct fit?
The 08-up oil cooler is not a direct fit. It uses different hose fittings (Snap Tite vs. flare fittings) and I believe the mounting bracket is slightly different. It wouldn't be a big deal to adapt however (I think it's been done); you'd just need to modify the bracket and get custom hoses made up at a hydraulic shop. |
Uly_man
| | Posted on Monday, November 25, 2013 - 08:27 pm: |
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Buewulf. You should NOT have any "pinging" issues. This is either a fueling, gas quality and/or timing issue. And a lot of "pinging" may damage your engine in the long run.
I would say get a ECM lead and Tuner-Pro or ECM-SPY. Why? Well this will show, on a logged run, what the engine is doing at any one point. It logs things like changing timing, fuel pressure, sensor outputs and the like. But before you do that start with the basics. Make sure the fuel is good. And make sure that the sub frame Earth face has no paint on it as it will effect the timing changing IE It can stay the same from starting and not change with engine conditions like heat changes. I know that this sounds strange but it did it on my own 06 Uly and took me two years to figure it out what was going on. It is also a known problem by HD and has a HD tech flag about it.
Good luck. |
Hughlysses
| | Posted on Monday, November 25, 2013 - 09:11 pm: |
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Marc- wasn't there a recent thread where someone talked about slightly reducing the ignition advance in the mid-RPM range using ECMspy to cure a pinging issue with an 06? |
Uly_man
| | Posted on Monday, November 25, 2013 - 09:27 pm: |
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Hugh. Yes there was, and just my opinion, but this should not be needed using the right quality fuel on a normal bike. These bikes are in a very high state of tune and the better the fuel the better they will run. Or at least my 06 bike did. |
Hughlysses
| | Posted on Monday, November 25, 2013 - 09:38 pm: |
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Hugh. Yes there was, and just my opinion, but this should not be needed using the right quality fuel on a normal bike. These bikes are in a very high state of tune and the better the fuel the better they will run. Or at least my 06 bike did.
Shouldn't be needed, but if he's tried the fuels available to him and his bike is still knocking, it seems like a good solution. It's certainly better than retarding the static timing which retards the timing across the whole RPM range unnecessarily. |
Uly_man
| | Posted on Monday, November 25, 2013 - 09:48 pm: |
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What I am saying Hugh is that he needs to make sure it in one thing or the other. The only way to sort these bikes, or other ones, is to use logic IE Eliminate one thing at a time. And fuel quality is the "number one" starting point given your fuel issues in the US. |
Buewulf
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2013 - 12:24 pm: |
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Fuel quality in the US is poor with respect to top-end and fuel system lubrication and fuel degradation over time due to the ethanol content, but that ethanol is a fantastic octane booster. The detonation isn't a fuel problem: I use 93 octane which equates to 98 octane the way you guys measure it in the UK. I don't know what the cause is, - carbon buildup maybe? - but it isn't fuel. And if it is fuel, there isn't anything I can do about it.
Hugh, dialing back the advance in the midrange sounds like exactly what I need to try since the knock comes on between 3000 and 4500 rpm typically. Do you know if Tuner-Pro is compatible with the EBR ECM? I may just try to repair my stock ECM and keep the EBR as a spare. I seem to remember a thread where someone said they could repair the ECM. |
Jstav2012
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2013 - 12:34 pm: |
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Hi Buewulf, I'm here in the Houston area, and I don't have pinging with stock timing, but if I put in the race map timing, with my stock exhaust, then I get pinging when it is hotter outside. Everything else is in good working condition. I've got ECMSPY tools, so I could look at your stock ecm, and I'm the one who said I could try to repair/re-solder the ECM if it needs it. |
Buewulf
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2013 - 02:16 pm: |
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Thanks Jstav. The detonation has definitely been more of an issue with the EBR ECM (I also run the stock exhaust). Creeping traffic or a long stoplight in the summer were the only times I remember it being an issue with the stock ECM. I would definitely be interested in having the stock ECM repaired. PM sent. |
Jstav2012
| | Posted on Thursday, November 28, 2013 - 11:51 am: |
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PM responded.
Sorry for thread jack, peeps.
Although, please let me know when I can get a AX for the same as I payed for my used '06 Uly |
Pagprivat
| | Posted on Thursday, November 28, 2013 - 06:25 pm: |
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Do you know if Tuner-Pro is compatible with the EBR ECM?
Who has tried and can confirm this? I have an EBR ECM and have hooked it up the tunerpro, looks to be working OK monitoring wise, but it keeps giving me errors on the reset TPS command. Somewhat uncomfortable, don't want to brick anything here... |
Ratbuell
| | Posted on Thursday, November 28, 2013 - 09:33 pm: |
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Here y'go.
http://www.erikbuellracing.com/store/parts-accessories/fuel-injection/cmi-lite-diagnostic-tool.html
Works like a champ. '06 Uly, EBR ECM circa 2010, 30k service. Five minute process.
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Uly_man
| | Posted on Friday, November 29, 2013 - 04:51 pm: |
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Pinging is either fuel and or a timing issue.
Buewulf. "And if it is fuel, there isn't anything I can do about it". If you are unsure of the quality of fuel the first thing to do is use a fuel octane booster to confirm it is good. If you continue to have a problem move onto checking the timing. This can happen and did on my 06 bike. Here is the story.
I bought the bike with 1200 miles on it and I thought the low power was just the need for the engine to run in. At 5k miles it was better but something still did not seem right. After some thought, on how the bike was running, I noticed that the bike would run/go better after I switched of the bike and re-started it. As the bike got hotter and the more times I did it the better it got until the bike run perfect. To me this was a timing issue but for the life of me I could not figure out why. In any event the bike crapped out on me one day at work. The dash was doing all sorts of strange things that said to me that there was a Earth issue some place. Luck cut in and I remembered mention of the sub-frame Earth point problem. I cleaned off the face and jumped the bike. The result was just amazing. It was like getting on a whole new bike. More power, more control and more mpg. And Man the torque was just outstanding. Scary in 1st and 2nd (without thought) and a easy wheelie in 3rd.
It is just my opinion but I think that the 06 bikes were more of a "muscle" bike than the later ones which have a more "road going" throttle response. |
Tootal
| | Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2013 - 12:31 pm: |
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The 08 got a "cam" type cable wheel that slowly opened the throttle at first. Since the 06 and 07's were herky jerky when cold and at low rpm the "cammed" cable wheel was a good thing but they basically cured the slow speed running with the 08 fuel injection and they don't really need the "cammed" wheel!
As far as fuel is concerned, I've noticed that non ethanol premium will turn my bike into a perfect runner but I can't get any around here. I took 5 degrees out of the static timing in the Summer just so I could ride it. I tried the EBR ECM but it was worse! I plan on using my ECM SPY to remove some advance in certain areas. I already improved the fueling, now it's time for timing.
So basically it's a fuel problem that has to be addressed by timing or lowering your compression. Timing is cheaper! |
Uly_man
| | Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2013 - 05:29 pm: |
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Good advise Tootal.
Just as a side note Buewulf makes mention, in his profile, of a bad gearbox on this bike. I found it good on my 06 bike but better with a FST. The 10 bike is about the same, with a FST, but my clutch is much lighter. I think it may have had a Muller thing fitted though. And while it is not super slick like a Suzuki box it makes many IE Some BMW, Hondas, etc seem like total junk. |
Sagehawk
| | Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2013 - 10:56 pm: |
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If you are referring to a free spirits tensioner, that would definitely prove of too much belt tension. After what I did to mine, gearbox shifting was a lot smoother , neutral was found easier, and the drivetrain snatch was a lot less. Bike is a lot easier to ride overall. I know one claim to buells was a no lash drivetrain but on trips the constant on , off throttle got to me. So much better now. |
Sagehawk
| | Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2013 - 10:57 pm: |
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As well, I hope the ax would be a lot smoother! |
Buewulf
| | Posted on Monday, December 02, 2013 - 02:29 pm: |
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"of a bad gearbox on this bike"
This is in comparison to other bikes I have owned, all of which had what I considered to be very smooth and positive trannies. The BMW was the only exception in that it was a bit clunky and didn't like to be operated without the clutch, much like the Uly. Belt tension almost certainly has a lot to do with that, so I am not surprised by either of your results. |
Turf_moor
| | Posted on Sunday, December 15, 2013 - 06:15 am: |
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Back to the pinging issue, my 06, first registered in Feb 08 developed this problem in the run-up to the first service which was done by Riders of Bristol (this point is more for uly man as he's English). The tech spent an age playing around with it and the bike has never pinged again. However, in the run-up to that service I was using 95 fuel (British) and ever since I've generally used 97, although on the occasions when I have used 95 it hasn't pinged. I live in Portugal now and 98 is the super unleaded so I use that. Even in the summer heat the bike runs fine. Actually, and this is only a subjective feeling, the bike appears to run cooler since I started using the local oil, Repsol 20W50 mineral. Up to then it had run on the H-D stuff. Before bringing the bike to Portugal in my van it was thoroughly serviced by an independent tech in Manchester. |
Uly_man
| | Posted on Sunday, December 15, 2013 - 08:50 am: |
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"this point is more for uly man as he's English". I have never had any pinging issues on either of my bikes. The 06 bike run fine on 95 RON English fuel but on 97 it made a touch more power, more mpg and the idle was a little smoother. It costs more though. |
Ourdee
| | Posted on Sunday, December 15, 2013 - 01:37 pm: |
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I always ran 5 star when is was in England. |
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