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Uly_man
Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2013 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

With 2k miles, from new, on the rear I have had three punctures. One was fixed, the second is a small nail that does not leak and the third was made by a small "square" piece of glass from a broken windscreen/side panel. This piece of glass had made a big hole in the rubber but had not gone through the carcass there was, however, still a very tiny air leak. While doing the repair, because I did not have to push past the rubber of the tyre, I could feel how thin the carcass is due to the ease I could push trough it.
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2013 - 01:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Which Michelin 2CT is this? Most of their tires have a 2CT variant. The 2CT just means it is a two compound tire.
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Uly_man
Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2013 - 01:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ah. The Pilot Road 2 2CT.
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Etennuly
Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2013 - 02:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have used the eewwy-gewwy rope type plugs in the Pilot Road 2 and Scorpion Sync rears many times.

I also had one that I had to remove the rear wheel from the bike, so I patched it from the inside while it was in hand.

No ill effects from either method. One of the plugs went into a brand new tire. Had to put a new replacement plug in at about 8,000 miles because the plug wore out and started to leak a little. Never had issues with any air leaks beyond that one.

I believe four is the maximum number of plugs I have ever had in one rear tire.

I have tried liquid sealers without much luck, although it may work on your littlest hole.
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Etennuly
Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2013 - 02:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have done a comparison cut through of the carcass' of the Pilot road 2, the Sync, and the D616. It is amazing how thin they are. The Pilot Road 2 however, was nearly twice as thick in the tread area as the other two.
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Uly_man
Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2013 - 03:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I used the "gooey" rope version in both fixes. I have tried, in the past, all sorts of "flash" tyre fixes but this one is cheap, easy and works 100%. In this case it worked out to be less than $2 per hole.
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Uly_man
Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2013 - 03:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Pilot has a thick tread but how thick is the carcass over the others.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2013 - 04:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My PR-2's have held up much longer and picked up less punctures than my Scorpion Syncs (FWIW).

Not to say they can't pick up a nail though...

It is nothing short of staggering how thin the carcass of a Sync is once it is "bald".
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Etennuly
Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2013 - 05:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am sorry about the carcass thing not being clearly stated.

All three were worn just beyond the wear bars. The D616 and Sync were taken off at 6,500 and 6,200 miles, the Pilot Road 2 was removed at 10,500. None were worn into the threads.

My assessment was that the Sync was an inner-tube with a couple of thin layers of belting. The D616 seemed to have thicker belts and the Michelin was thicker rubber in the liner and thicker belts. The Road 2 was roughly twice as thick as the others when worn out.

I wish I had pictures of the cut tires. It was a quick look at them done off the cuff on their way out to the tire recycle guy. Being busy at the time, I did not even think to measure the carcass thickness let alone take a useful picture.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2013 - 08:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

My assessment was that the Sync was an inner-tube with a couple of thin layers of belting.




And that may be stating it generously...
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