| Author | Message | ||
     Electraglider_1997 |
Anybody know? | ||
| Hughlysses |
The information that's been put out seems to be somewhat conflicting. I've seen it stated in articles that all three "production" EBR bikes will come out this year: the 1190RX, SX, and AX. I've seen another article or post that stated only the 1190RX would come out this year with the other two models to follow later, I'd guess next year. I sure wish EBR would be more forthcoming on their plans. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
I personally don't think it would be in EBR's best economic interest to continue to put all their apples in the sport bike basket. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
Forthcoming with plans= telegraphing their next move. They are competing with huuuge amounts of money and man-hours. It's completely understandable that they don't want to spread around their plans. My schedule is a new bike once every 8 years. They have til 2016 to make me a bike! | ||
| Motorbike |
How many of you would agree with me that it is not a good idea to buy the first model year of anything new? Of course I used to say I would never buy anything built by a company that is no longer in business but guess what, that's exactly what I did! Does it count that I was looking at the bike I now own shortly before Buell got shut down? | ||
| Froggy |
I agree, just look at all the added features and improvements made to the Ulysses in 5 years. But on that same note, I love having the latest and greatest so I am usually an early adopter.
What did you buy? You can get some great things cheap built by companies that went out of business, I recently picked up a Magnavox Odyssey 300 pong console, I just need a TV to run it on. | ||
| Motorbike |
Froggy, you asked what I bought. I guess I wasn't real clear on this but I was referring to my 08 XT. I looked at buying a red XT all year and just could not talk myself into spending the money, but was very close. When my brother near Milwaukee called and said he got a brand new 1125R for 1/2 price, I got on the phone immediately and found the 08 XT brand new for $7495.00. Money talks and I listen. | ||
| Uly_man |
Sports bikes are out of fashion at the moment and fashion was mostly what they were about, most of the time. Expensive to buy, fickle to ride, un-comfy, costly to insure/repair/maintain, so stealable its a pain and how many times can you use the power of a 170mph bike anyway. The Uly is the opposite of all that and STILL rides better than any sports bike I have ever had. Ok it will not do 170mph but mine will cruise at 120 easy and get there fast enough. And for big Guys a frame that fits us. With a sports bike you need to be "on the case" all the time or it can "bit your ass" but with the Uly, if you are not "in the mood", you can just "drift" along like a cruiser or if you want to ride it like a sports bike you can do that as well. Even "off-road" it a bit if the need takes you. The Uly craps all over a GS and the AX would be great but the problems for EBR are many. Money, dealerships, etc apart the main one is going to be buyers. While many think they are "free spirits", in the vein of Easy Rider and the like, a lot of main stream bikers are VERY conservative in there choice of bike. The thought of not buying ANOTHER Honda (or other type) is akin, for some, close to NOT being of the "right" religion. But thats Folk for you and I think part of the reason that the "tie up" Buell had with HD was a mistake. Although I can see why it may have been so attractive a deal. HD, but just my opinion, have been very short sighted in dumping Buell. Dont get me wrong on this issue. I am NOT a Bueller. I am a biker/consumer and if that product was bad I would say so. HD, like many corps, these day just see the "bottom line" and thats bad for all. Rant over. | ||
| Froggy |
Motorbike, you didn't buy a bike from a company that went out of business, you just bought a discontinued model. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Hopefully when they finally announce what they plan to make available, that I'll be a targeted consumer. Only if it is an adventure style bike. Not interested in the least in a full on sport bike. As for never buying a first year bike, that sounds reasonable but I bought a first year ULY and have been more than pleased. Chances are that the engine is already well sorted out unless it is something completely new. | ||
| Cyclonedon |
it's already February 26th. I don't see any new motorcycles being introduced this year because it's already too late for this year! The International Motorcycle Shows have just rapped up and I feel anyone who was looking to purchase a new motorcycle this year has already made their decision. Hopefully Erik can get his motorcycle line-up out for next year's models. | ||
| Conchop |
Looks like the new KTM is going to present an interesting competitive target for EBR. The AX is going to have to be a well refined bike, right out of the box, or it will be a nightmare for EBR, their investors, and their new dealer base. Seems logical to me that they'd keep quiet about everything, including their relationship with the Hero boys. With all the competition thats out there with well established brands, I'm speculating there will have to be an unreal degree of quality, performance, and value built into the AX and if there is a huge splash in the proverbial pool, the world will take note and they will sell a zillion of them. If anything goes wrong, though, there will be hell to pay. So lets hope this bike will be another legend and sales leader. PS - I'd like to see them call it "Ulysses" also. AX doesn't seem to follow Ulysses as Ulysses is such a good name for an ADV bike. | ||
| 46champ |
I'd like to see them call it "Ulysses" also. AX doesn't seem to follow Ulysses as Ulysses is such a good name for an ADV bike Well they could always call it Sherman | ||
| Needs_o2 |
How bout, "The AXe"? Sounds adventurous! | ||
| Conchop |
Here's something else the AX has to contend with .... PS - How About the UAX - Ulysses' AX http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKM0zmnEoHk | ||
| Tootal |
When is getting the AXe a good thing? When it's an EBR AXe! This months Rider magazine has the BMW article in it. Tons of tech and a whole new engine. Liquid/Air/Oil cooling too! Amazing how much smaller the engine/trans is! | ||
| Ironslede68 |
is there even a picture out there anywhere yet. i've been putting off a new bike waiting to see if this thing is actually gonna be real. | ||
| Conchop |
Close - but no cigar ....  | ||
| Red450 |
I like that mock up. | ||
| Motorbike |
What makes any of you think it will even resemble the Ulysses at all? I'm guessing it would be brand new from the ground up.... | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Exactly. I'm thinking tank treads and arm stick controls so that it can spin in circles. | ||
| Hughlysses |
What makes any of you think it will even resemble the Ulysses at all? I'm guessing it would be brand new from the ground up Well, we've got pretty good information from various sources that the new EBR 1190 line of bikes, including the AX, will be based off of the EBR 1190RS. That means we can bet on it having an 1190cc water-cooled V-twin and fuel-in-frame. Outside of that, there's plenty of room for innovation. | ||
| Conchop |
If you've got engineering that works, then there is little need to stretch the luck. Seems the RS has incorporated a lot of similar engineering that was already proven, then it was tweaked, and whammo - instant exotic fast bike. NONETHELESS - the competition in the ADV bike world is stiff as ever. Looks like the Triumph Exploder ain't no dirt bike - they say its a Gold Wing. The new KTM will challenge the BMW GS. The Suzuki is a bargain. The Moto Guzzi is a huge surprise with its ride, driveabilty, and comfort.Then there's the Multi Strada - holy cow, whatta bike. I won't discount the Honda if it ever comes to the US. On and on - the breed is getting better. So if the Uly AX gets built - it will have to be shoving 150 plus HP, be smoother than a baby's butt, handle the woods and the street, and be as reliable as the proverbial anvil. Then there's the PRICE. Thats where the Uly shined and with so many bikes already there, EBR can claim "premium bike" til the cows come in - if they're gonna sell, they will have to be priced right. But this waiting stuff is getting old - just a lil teaser would be well advised. | ||
| Uly_man |
First thing is that there will be NO MORE air cooled V-Twins as they can not meet the new emissions levels. The new Uly mock-up looks great but does not allow for the engineering problems IE engine cooling. It starts to get complicated and thus more costly using the old XB frame. | ||
| Conchop |
I bet a great big honkin chrome 1940's Willy's Coupe radiator grill/ brush guard would fix it!!! The lobster claws would catch on every tree limb on the trail. Low mass centralization would have the radiator catching everything the front wheel could throw at it. Yep - its gonna take some creative engineering to do this one right. But everyone else is doing it so I bet its gonna get figured out. | ||
| Crusty |
The lobster claws would catch on every tree limb on the trail. How many people ride Ulys (or any other large Adv bike) down trails? The Uly is an "All Roads" bike, not a trail or dirt bike. The basic premise is that it will handle a trip from Prudhoe Bay to Ushuaia. It isn't a street legal dirt bike. | ||
| Uly_man |
I love my Uly but I will not buy another Buell even if it was free and came with a never ending supply of Big Macs? They can stick there AX up the the place the sun dont shine. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Given "Buell" won't ever make an AX, then you won't ever have that opportunity regardless. And if you don't want to buy an EBR AX, then you are indeed a lucky man to be shopping in a point in history where there are a ton of amazing "adventure" bikes (which are really just touring and sport tuned naked standards, which is all we ever really wanted in the first place) to choose from. Triumph, Ducatti, BMW, KTM, Yamaha, all have wonderful bikes available. Heck, even the Honda NC700 adventure bike is interesting. Buy one and enjoy! The new KTM in particular looks really cool. I'll wait to see what EBR has to offer... and I couldn't be happier with my Uly right now... and with them constantly popping up in good running shape for $4k or less, for the moment they seem to be in great supply. If it werent for the EBR AX coming in the next few years, I'd be tempted to get one of these cheap Uly's and just mothball it. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
How is it that the BMW GS sells so well? It may not have the ill fated lobster claws but those horizontally opposed cylinders sure seem to be further out in the breeze than any crustacean's claw that Buell festooned onto the 1125 bikes. Hopefully we will be rewarded with something from EBR later this year. If they wait too long then I fear that many of the Buell faithful will have moved on to other brands that actually have bikes that exist. A dangling carrot will only hold our interest for so long. EBR's carrot is that web screen that claims future models are on the horizon. Must be on Jupiter's horizon, not Earth's. (Message edited by electraglider_1997 on March 06, 2013) | ||
| Reepicheep |
I think the closing of Buell showed that there were far more "EBR Faithful" than there were "Buell Faithful". Lots of us loved our Buells in spite of the "help" Buell had from being a part of Harley Davidson. Far more of us loved the vision of what Buell could have been without that "help". Those faithful aren't "waiting around" for anything. They are buying a bike when they see one they want. Whenever EBR builds one, they will do the same, and either replace their multi-strada and GS, or keep riding. I don't think there is any midnight when the magic carriage will turn into a pumpkin... EBR just needs to manage costs and produce the bike everyone hopes they can produce. The surest path to failure would be for them to come out with something half assed and half baked, and convince everyone that the problem with Buell wasn't Harley, that the problem with Buell was Buell. Thats what they are avoiding (I hope). |
