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Ratbuell
| | Posted on Monday, May 16, 2011 - 08:18 am: | 
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I have the large Buell kit-in-a-bag, that I added a set of dikes to (for cutting). It does 99% of the fasteners on the bike (the 1% being frozen/stuck ones that require a BFH to remove). I have a small compressor and plug kit under the seat. I have a spare belt ziptied to the topcase rack. I have a quart of Syn3. I have a liter of fuel. I have a first aid kit.
And I have a Visa card 
The only parts of that "in" the luggage are the quart of oil, and the toolbag.
If I'm taking a long trip, I add my laptop, ECM cable, and a VOM. |
Andymnelson
| | Posted on Monday, May 16, 2011 - 10:37 am: |
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Cpeg- I did not take your post as disrespectful in any way, thanks for the tip.
and Ratbuell- I didn't mean to be short, just to the point
Thanks for the tips, all. I have lots of things to check, and not much spare time to check it. I'll keep you posted.
I had a new revelation on Friday btw: dead battery. I charged it, pulled it and took it to the auto parts store and it tested good. I only get 12.9 volts with the bike running (this is a new issue, as I had checked this at the beginning and had better voltage). So now I guess I get to start troubleshooting the charging system... |
Andymnelson
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2011 - 02:32 pm: |
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Alrighty, I printed out this entire thread, highlighted avery piece of advice that I saw, and went through them 1 by 1!
So far I have:
- cleaned frame grounds
- added additional ground strap
- swapped ecms
- cut back wiring covering about 12" from ecm to be sure there are no breaks in the wires
- cut back the steering harness to be sure of no wire breaks
- cleaned up the flyscreen grounds
- checked the 77 connect (the REAL one!  )
- swapped/re-seated all relays
- checked wiring at the ignition switch
- pulled/re-seated all fuses
- my charging issues MIGHT just be because I have a fairly short ride to work, and when the battery died, it had been a few days of no riding other than to/from work
I did all of that, fired her up, went to McDs for lunch....and it wouldn't start! Argh! I let it sit a second, and she started.
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Uly_dude
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2011 - 02:46 pm: |
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man Andy, you've got me stumped! Seems like you covered about everything. Whenever I hear of these Uly's just cutting out I immediately think of the BAS. I know you said you unprogrammed that, but that was with your other ECM, right? I don't know how you test a BAS, but maybe yours is messing with both ECMs in some odd way...... that's all I got. |
Froggy
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2011 - 02:46 pm: |
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Perhaps she was hungry too. |
Andymnelson
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2011 - 02:52 pm: |
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quote:Perhaps she was hungry too.
Yes, I think maybe she also wanted big Mac 
And Greg- I did disable the BAs in this ecm as well. I don't really think that would be the cause, since it would throw an error code if it was. |
Garrcano
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2011 - 03:30 pm: |
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KeySwitch? |
Uly_man
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2011 - 04:11 pm: |
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"Well excuse me for being brain dead, but I don't agree, those Deutsch plugs are a piece of cake to pull the pins on, that and when you solder a wire you set up a place that can cause the wire to stress break. I did not mean to offend your delicate ego." Sorry to offend. Anyone can do as they wish with there bike. Best of luck. |
Andymnelson
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2011 - 04:45 pm: |
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I looked at the wiring for the ignition switch- it looks good.
I don't think that it would be the switch, since I don't ever actually lose power- just the motor shuts down. |
Andymnelson
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2011 - 04:54 pm: |
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I think I may be onto something now!
When I swapped the relays, I was intentional to swap only 2 of them....that way if the problem was a relay, it should be obvious which one it was. I swapped the aux and ignition relays.
Next time out to the bike, the aux items came on, but none of the ignition items! No gauges, no fuel pump etc. I pulled the seat, and fiddled with the relays and the relay that was now in the ignition location would click a bunch when I fiddled with it, then all the stuff came on. I swapped it with the starter relay, and it fired right up. I just took a 30 mile ride out to our church offices, and so far so good. Could this all have really been caused by a failing relay??!!
Garrcano, if this is it, I owe you a cold one next time you're in the US! |
Cpeg
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2011 - 06:44 pm: |
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"Well excuse me for being brain dead, but I don't agree, those Deutsch plugs are a piece of cake to pull the pins on, that and when you solder a wire you set up a place that can cause the wire to stress break. I did not mean to offend your delicate ego." Sorry to offend. Anyone can do as they wish with there bike. Best of luck.
Exactly, and anybody should be be able to post what they do with their bike without being insulted for their opinion.
But I would still buy you a beer if we met. |
Panhead_dan
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2011 - 08:14 pm: |
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"But I would still buy you a beer if we met."
I can vouch for that. He bought me beers and we have never even met! |
Cpeg
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2011 - 08:36 pm: |
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Dan
You didn't mention it was Arrogant Bastard |
Panhead_dan
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2011 - 11:21 pm: |
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Mostly Double Bastard Bill. |
Cpeg
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2011 - 11:23 pm: |
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That could be my signature |
Andymnelson
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2011 - 10:47 am: |
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Enough small talk! This thread is about me and my issues! Wait....
3 rides in (a total of about 80 miles) so far and no more issues....let's hope it was all just the relay! |
7873jake
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2011 - 12:22 pm: |
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I thought I read somewhere that the relays were similar to those found/used in a Toyota Corolla, IIRC.
Where did you find your replacements (as I take out my notepad and get ready to jot this bit down...) |
Andymnelson
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2011 - 12:32 pm: |
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I have not replaced them yet, just swapped them around. Honestly, it may work great forever with the bum relay in the starter postion since that one does not ever stay latched.
I'll likely order a coupe from the dealer- they are only like $4, part # 31522-00C. |
Cpeg
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2011 - 01:26 pm: |
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American Sport Bike sells the relay, buy a couple of spares while you're at it. |
Metaldude
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2011 - 03:10 pm: |
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Good catch on the relay. I have used the same approach myself to diagnose relay problems. Just swapping them around and seeing where your problem travels. I've ripped those things apart and never been able to SEE anything broken in there, but they start to act really weird and tripping for no reason.
I think when I had the same issue happen to me, I just ran down to the local car store and stocked up on a couple relays. There's nothing special about the ones in our bikes.
I'm getting total deja vu on this one. I think I had the exact same thing happen to my Uly when I first got it.... |
Andymnelson
| | Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2011 - 04:33 pm: |
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Well crap. I decided to chase down my charging issues.
Did a stator test:
- All 3 pins to ground show 0 ohms. crap.
- All 3 checks pin to pin (1-2, 2-3, 3-1) show 0 ohms. crap.
- The 3 pins show 25, 24 and 12 volt AC at 2000 rpms. crap.
I guess my stator is crap!
Crap, crap, crap! |
Etennuly
| | Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2011 - 06:37 pm: |
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Crap! |
Ronmold
| | Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2011 - 10:54 pm: |
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Zero ohms? You would think it would show somthing as you are getting AC voltage across the pins when running. What range were you on? |
Swampy
| | Posted on Friday, May 20, 2011 - 08:35 am: |
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24-25 volts AC is not enough to charge the battery. It needs to be more like 28 volts AC. If the stator is putting out 28 volts AC the regulator cuts the wave in half and you should get 1/2 the AC voltage. So if you are at 24 volts AC your charging system output would be about 12 volts, which isn't enough. |
Andymnelson
| | Posted on Friday, May 20, 2011 - 10:16 am: |
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quote:Zero ohms? You would think it would show somthing as you are getting AC voltage across the pins when running. What range were you on?
It's an auto-ranging meter. Showed 0.00 Ω. Really any continuity there is bad, as it should show ∞Ω.
edit:lol, apparently BadWeb doesn't like special characters! That should read:
Showed 0.00 ohms. Really any continuity there is bad, as it should show infinity ohms.
quote:24-25 volts AC is not enough to charge the battery. It needs to be more like 28 volts AC. If the stator is putting out 28 volts AC the regulator cuts the wave in half and you should get 1/2 the AC voltage. So if you are at 24 volts AC your charging system output would be about 12 volts, which isn't enough.
Agreed. Which explains my problems- it would be fine for 7-8 rides, then eventually not be strong enough to start it. Battery tests good.
I was using my dad's meter since I was at his house. I own a better one, and will repeat the tests before ordering a stator....but it seems pretty clear to me.
(Message edited by andymnelson on May 20, 2011) |
Dmmblaze
| | Posted on Friday, May 20, 2011 - 07:53 pm: |
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Between reading your thread and the epic one from Hughlysses' my cloths have totally dried from getting caught in the rain 50 miles from home earlier today.
Glad to see you found the gremlin. |
Uly_man
| | Posted on Saturday, May 21, 2011 - 12:48 pm: |
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"Which explains my problems- it would be fine for 7-8 rides, then eventually not be strong enough to start it. Battery tests good." That may be a charging problem but not your original posted problem. Check the stator at the output plug first as that does/can cause problems. Plug 77? I am not sure which one.
Again the starter relay is a known issue. Do not trust it, replace it and keep a spare. Its cheap enough.
It can happen that the plugs in the base of the block can become loose or even come out all together. It is always worth checking. I have had it with other things before. |
Andymnelson
| | Posted on Saturday, May 21, 2011 - 08:51 pm: |
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quote:Again the starter relay is a known issue. Do not trust it, replace it and keep a spare. Its cheap enough.
As previously stated, new relays have been ordered. |
Andymnelson
| | Posted on Sunday, June 12, 2011 - 10:03 pm: |
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Well a buddy of mine and I finally tore the Uly apart today, and here is what the stator looks like:
Only 1 node on the stator had a bit of "burn" to it, but i guess that explains why it had some output...new stator goes in tomorrow hopefully, and I also have new relays to install. I have addressed several wire rub spots, cleaned and reinforced grounds, checked the harness near the ECM and in the steering neck...let's hope she's good to go!
Thanks for all of the input along the way.
(Message edited by andymnelson on June 13, 2011) |
Cyclonedon
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 - 01:02 am: |
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keep us posted as if this fixed the problem for you. I'm having some electrical problems with my 06 Uly as we speak and will have to do what you've done or take it in to have it fixed. I know I have a front harness short and mine doesn't seem to be charging lately either. |
Andymnelson
| | Posted on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 03:48 pm: |
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New stator is in, and things appear well so far after 2 short rides. Gonna put some mile on it tomorrow and that will be the real test!
Don- see the burnt node in my pic above? If you have stator issues, usually more than 1 node goes, and it will stink up your primary oil something fierce! That's why this one stumped me- only 1 bad node so I still had some output, just not enough, and it did not stink.
Do you have a service manual?
I would start by looking at all grounding points- especially behind the flyscreen and the ones on the seat rail and seat rail to frame. Clean them all up real good and use star washers when re-assembling.
There are a few pretty simple tests to test the stator, do those if it is suspect.
Next I would test your voltage regulator- if you have 14 volts or less then it should be good.
Next I would examine your 77 connector.
Next I would look at the relays (I also had a bad one of those). You can swap relays around to see if the problem moves to another area of the bike. I eventually just swapped all relays for new ones since they are only a few $$ each.
From there about all you can have go wrong is wire shorts/breaks and bad sensors or connectors. |
Ronmold
| | Posted on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 08:26 pm: |
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Great to hear you're up & running! Do you think the toe-jam between the stator nodes kept the cooling oil out & allowed that area to get too hot?
Hope to make it to Mav's Sun night! |
Andymnelson
| | Posted on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 09:30 pm: |
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I don't really know- it's my assumption that it doesn't get that hot to nee the oil to cool it....but I could be way off base there!
just a reminder- Mavs is NEXT Sunday not this one! |
Andymnelson
| | Posted on Thursday, June 30, 2011 - 11:04 am: |
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I believe my gremlins have been exorcized! I've ridden about 500 miles with no issues.
Total cost:
$30 shipped for a used stator 
$12 for new relays |
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