| Author | Message | ||
     Yamafreak |
Do you think the new Shell gas is good for our type of Bike?  What is the best fuel for us? Or should just look for the 93 juice any brand? | ||
| Tootal |
93 octane with no alcohol is best. I don't have any around me but it gives you better everything! | ||
| Froggy |
Whats so new about it? Does it stop the clubbing of baby seals? | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Damn Froggy, on a roll today... | ||
| Ourdee |
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| Ourdee |
OK, It's at 3:33 in this one: | ||
| Ourdee |
I use Mobil, still hung up on pegasus's. Wish we could get rid of the alky diluting the dino juice. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
You guys are so picky! I get gas when I need to buy gas. That is my requirement. I wish we were given a choice of whether we wanted Ethanol or not though. It's worth paying a bit more for not having that crap in my vehicles. | ||
| Yamafreak |
Is the Nitrogen good for a old school v-twin? "Shell V-Power, containing the highest concentration of technically advanced, patented Nitrogen Enriched cleaning system. With five times the amount of cleaning agents required by government standards, it helps deliver maximum protection and optimum performance". | ||
| Towpro |
http://www.pure-gas.org/ | ||
| Billyo |
No seals were clubbed in the making of their fuel. | ||
| 7873jake |
All fuels have a mandated amt of additives for cleaning and other household duties. The EPA regulates (and mandates) this. Techron (Chevron) is a nitrogen derived (in the way of an amine based nitrogen additive) fuel additive/cleaner also. Shell just chose to do their "nitrogen enhanced" bit instead. Chevron chose to cloak it with Millenium Falcon-speak and call it Techron. Some people report getting lower fuel economy from Shell gas but with that being such a highly sujective situation, even that is hard to quantify. Shell is one of the few gasoline makers that seems very interested in forging partnerships with a wider array of parties like vehicle makers and even media outlets (Cycle World has a Shell partnership for their riding reporter staff to fill up on). Because of this, Shell gets cited as a "top tier" brand that meets or exceeds voluntary standards for performance in luxury branded vehicles (Acura used to have a Shell recommendation that came with their cars). If you spent the kind of money necessary to get that car, typically, you'll follow suit and buy only that finest of gasoline as recommended by the engineers of your precision luxury sports car cross-over SUV coupe saloon sedan hatchback. Or at least that's what the marketing departments are hoping for. If it concerns you, find a pure gas outlet near you and run it when you can. Otherwise, the EPA is going to mandate a minimum amt of additive in pump gas either way and Shell is super proud of theirs and the fact that they exceed requirements. Shell has a history of making goofy claims regarding their product and have been cited/fined in the past. Thankfully, the fines never amt to more than a ruler across the knuckles, in the interest of keeping fuel prices stable in the highly volatile market of gas where profit margins are measured with a micrometer.  The atmosphere is something like 75% nitrogen anyway. And then there are the concerns of nitrogen gasses as a component of greenhouse gasses. Seems to me, using aggie logic (and no, that isn't a dig against Texas A&M), Shell needs to back off of the nitrogen.  It all turns to smoke and noise in the end, some American V-twins just do it without the benefit of horsepower. Thankfully, the Buell isn't one of them. (Message edited by 7873jake on April 20, 2011) | ||
| Cpeg |
I kinda think it is funny that they advertise how nitrogen enriched their gas is when ~14.7 times the gas going into your cylinder is air that is 78% nitrogen. Same goes for the hyped nitrogen for your tires. | ||
| Royintulsa |
We use nitrogen in the tires on our airplane. They stay at the correct inflation better than filled with normal air. Plus it is free. | ||
| Crusty |
I use a special mix of gases to keep my tires inflated. It's a blend of (roughly) 78% Nitrogen, 21% Oxygen and a special mix of Additive gases specifically designed to make my tires work well. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
Jeeze Crusty! that sounds expensive and complicated. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Crusty is just making a funny.  Dry air is primarily made up of nitrogen (78.09%) and oxygen (20.95%). The remaining 1% is made up of argon (0.93%), carbon dioxide (0.03%) and other trace gases (0.003%). Water vapour (water in its gaseous state) is also present in air in varying amounts. Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_air_made_from#ix zz1KpNcYek7 (Message edited by electraglider_1997 on April 28, 2011) | ||
| Froggy |
Its that 20ish percent of other gasses that allow your tire pressure change as it heats up and cools down. It is impossible to get 100% nitrogen in your tire unless you bead and inflate your tires in a vacuum, but by improving the amount of nitrogen you can reduce the rate pressures change. | ||
| Leoallafila |
I would add this: tires are designed to work with air (so variable pressure as the tire heats up) and all the tire pressures they give you are for a cold tire. So if you put a gas that doesn't expand and run the same cold pressure, you're actually running on an under-inflated tire when hot, because it's not expanding. | ||
| Uly_man |
I do not know about any of that but I do know this and have I proved it over 15k on my Uly. 95RON fuel, over 93, makes the bike idle better, go better and gives more mpg but it costs more. The Uly has sports bike handling and as such as little as 2 PSI, on the front end, can effect its sweet handling. Get it right and you will, not top end, run rings over most any bike on the road. | ||
| Nobuell |
The use of N2 in normal street tires has insignificant affect on the tire pressure when it heats up. Standard air at tire pressures and temperatures acts as an ideal gas and will have insignificant variances due to normal temperature increases (unless there is an extremely high moisture content). The most significant advantage of N2 is to minimize long term pressure loss due to the increased permeation rates of the O2 and some of the other gases. Reduction of oxidation to the rubber / wheel alloys and elimination of water vapor freezing at very low temperatures are other advantages not very relevant to MC street tires. I use the same special blend that Crusty uses. I just check the pressure often and wear the tire out before the O2 attacks! | ||
| Froggy |
I have an onboard tire pressure monitoring system, I can check the pressure while I ride, and I see an easy 10-15% increase in pressure from cold to 10 miles on the slab. I've even seen the ambient air temp play a huge roll on pressure, one day I got 40psi cold, next day 30, next day 45. I would be running nitrogen if I had a machine for it, till then I am using the free air compressor I got. | ||
| 7873jake |
What TPMS do you use? | ||
| Nobuell |
Froggy - I did not say the gas would not expand. I said there would not be a significant difference when using N2 in lieu of Air for standard street pressures and temperatures. In other words the pressure change when hot will be much the same. I do not believe the expense and headache of using N2 for street tires is worth it. Reducing water vapor can have pressure benefits for special applications such as racing tires and aviation, but not street tires. Eliminating O2 can have long term oxidation benefits if there is a corrosion issue or possible long term storage. To each his own, but air is readily available if you are on the road. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
(I know what air is made from, I was trying to help Crusty's joke along) | ||
| Cpeg |
More than anything the nitrogen is dry, you can accomplish the same thing by drying the air from your compressor. But if you really want nitrogen, I got a big bottle here I use for my plasma cutter. I will be glad to fill you up and you can see if the pressure varies as much. | ||
| Towpro |
The reason they use Nitrogen in tires is the Molecule is larger, and does not leak out as much over time. http://www.getnitrogen.org/why/index.php | ||
| Zane_t |
I thought this thread was about Shell gas? Anyhow, I filled my 1125R with it last weekend and it seems to run OK, plenty of power. The next tank full for the Uly is going to be Shell. I have the same attitude as others, when I need fuel I fill up anywhere, but when non-oxygenated premium is available, I'll get that, because is does make a noticeable difference in power. |
