| Author | Message | ||
     Uly_dude |
anyone ever run tubed tires on our bikes? Earlier, I was looking for new tires for the Uly and really liked the shinko 705 tread design, and the size was real close to. But my tire changing guy told me that I shouldn't run tubes on my rims because there's a ridge inside that will chafe the tube and eventually put a hole in it. Is this true? Or was he just trying to get me to buy a more expensive tire?? I ended up buying a cheap set of D616s instead which worked well the first time to. Thanks. | ||
| Froggy |
Funny but semi related, new guy at my local HD dealer told me I had to buy tubes if they were going to install my tires. I never heard of a tube before then, I went over to the parts counter and asked the Buell guy, and he said don't worry that guy is new. I googled tubes when I get home, interesting idea of a tire in a tire. | ||
| Etennuly |
 Froggy You young'uns make me laugh! Tubes were a necessary part of a tire prior to about 1960 or so. It seems the technology of the rubber tire would not hold air. So an inner tube was put in the tire that had no structure, but was able to hold air, much like a balloon shaped like the tire. Since the advent of the radial design tire in the early '70's, tubes are rarely used anymore. Heck, they don't even put them in truck or tractor tires either. Any thing inside a tire or rim that has a rough spot on it that can be felt with your fingers will eventually ruin a tube. As the tire moves about and flexes per design, the tube has to move with it. This can make it rub against every thing in the tire cavity. I use talc powder to make the surfaces slide easily to prevent abrasion wear holes in a tube. | ||
| Trevd |
Since the advent of the radial design tire in the early '70's, tubes are rarely used anymore. Wrong! Take a look at what's inside the tires of all those Harleys and Harley clones with the spoke wheels, or dirt bikes for that matter. Most wheels with spokes need the tube. As far as I know, some of the BMW GSs and the new Yamaha Super Tenere are exceptions to that, what with their fancy spokes on the outside of the rim setup. I've never understood why someone would voluntarily buy a street bike with wire wheels that had to have tubes. To me that's severe "form over function". | ||
| Hacksaw |
Hey Froggy have you ever of points in a car or bike ignition? | ||
| Froggy |
No, I learned about those last week due to another thread on here. Once I researched it to figure out what it was, my reply was something along the lines of "This looks like something a cave man would use to make a camp fire". It was beyond my comprehension that it would even allow a vehicle to run. | ||
| Etennuly |
Yeah, well, I did say "rarely".....not never. Of all the tires on all the vehicles in the World, that is a small percentage, especially compared to fifty years ago.  Froggy, bring me your late 60's small block chevy and I can adjust the valves, set the timing, adjust the carburetor, set the points, and plug gaps using just a few tools and a trained ear. Man,  I am getting out dated. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Vern, I love the 60's and early 70's cars! So much easier to work on and maintain. When the big switch is thrown, all those old "cave man" devices can be made to run again. Much, much easier than brain box, super wheels... Wish I had money for a Carbed S3T, or X1, a blast would be great too, etc, etc... Oh, I ever tell you about my Ford Falcon Fixation? | ||
| Yjsrule |
I just took a tube type Shinko705 off the front of the uly ran tubeless. Worked fine. I actually had to put air in the tubeless radial rear tire way more often than the front. | ||
| Etennuly |
Gabriel, I like the EARLY Falcons. I have a line on a '63 Ranchero that would make an awesome bracket car. I can hook you up with it....cheap.....needs complete restoration, not too rusty. | ||
| Mnviking |
Blow a tube/tire in BFE, you'll wish you had run a tubeless tire with the amount of BS you'll have to go through.  Tubeless tires are like fuel injection, if they were invented first the other would never have existed. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Vern, Would LOVE IT! But no $  I have sold off two Falcons in the last two years, because I need the money. Kinda developed a motorcycle / Buell habit  Both 1969 Futura's Factory 302, C4. One had front disk brakes. One was a NY rust bucket, the other an all original California car in great shape. Both came off the same line out of the Kansas City plant. I also owned a 1968 sport coupe 302 with a 3 on the tree. - Almost stuffed a 351C in it. Now if I ever come across a '63 1/2 sprint, oh baby...Like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Falcon-Sprint- RARE-1963-Falcon-SPRINT-V8-CONVERTIBLE-4-Spd-Power -Top-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3f08a8c253QQitemZ 270728217171QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks | ||
| Skifastbadly |
Froggy, bring me your late 60's small block chevy and I can adjust the valves, set the timing, adjust the carburetor, set the points, and plug gaps using just a few tools and a trained ear. Boy, howdy. My first car was a 66 Chevy BelAire with a 283. I could tune that thing with a butter knife and a pair of pliers. Set the dwell? No sweat, there was a little door on the distributor cap, you lifted it and turned the screw. And you could practically stand in the engine compartment if you dared. Now, if you don't have a computer system, fuggadaboudit. | ||
| Zollie |
I spoke to my local dealership and currently running 150 Kenda Big Block rear with Tube, and 120 Kinhs Tire kt 966 front with tube, no problems so far.. | ||
| Uly_dude |
perhaps that's old information about inner tubes and our rims then. But yjsrule posting brings up a new question; why would a company like Shinko tell you to use tubes, if in fact you don't need to? Is there something structurally about the tire, maybe you can't plug them, I don't know. I would think you limit the amount of potential customers by putting the tube tire label on them. Who's the tire expert around this place! | ||
| Svh |
Froggy- Did you not have a bicycle as a kid? That is where I learned of tubes in tires and then shortly after floating on old tractor and car tubes in the lake. | ||
| Etennuly |
The main reason for having a tube would seem to be that the tire won't hold air without it. The rubber is likely porous and lets air seep through the sidewalls. Of course the spoke rim speaks for itself. I read an article about this when the use of nitrogen in tires was introduced. It seems the nitrogen molecules are larger than air molecules and has less chance of escaping through the rubber's molecular gaps. And there was more about the nitrogen not holding heat as much as the air. | ||
| Yjsrule |
Supposedly the tubeless tire has a lining of some sort molded into it. When I bought the tires I inspected both the tube and tubeless tire and there were no differences in the inside or bead construction that were visible. Of course one was bias and one was radial. Some people will tell you the world will explode or baby seals will die if you run one as I did. I was willing to take that chance and after running one I say they're full of it.  | ||
| Rotorhead |
I ran a tube on the front for about 9000 miles with no signs of ill effect to the tube once I removed it. the inside of a uly wheel is plenty smooth enough for a tube. The tube or tubeless is essentially the bead and it make up. A tubeless tire normally has a wider seating surface face than a tube type and the bead tolerances are not as close to the rim specs. All tires differ by manufactures as we all know. I do know if you run a tube for the rear with out a bead locker and the torque of the ULY you'll spin the bead and rip out the tube stem in the process. I've seem it on motocross bikes as low as 80cc spin a tube when the tire hooks up in traction. | ||
| Uly_man |
It "splatters me batter" on a question like this. The whole question is just meaningless pap. Tubed rubber. They say time travel does not exist because we would have met someone from the past. Proof enough I would say, square wheels and all.  |
