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Rwcfrank
Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 10:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Saw this over at ADV rider.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64 2293
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 10:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

my reply

The chain conversion you have done looks the same as a "Saintly" chain conversion. I had it on my Uly for awhile. It WILL eat the right side bearing (DAMHIK) and from what I've been told from a few Buell racers... it will wear out the wheel where the bearing seats... Just a FYI

I was left stranded on I-71 on my way back from Marchbadness.

Went back to the belt and keep a spare under the seat
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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 10:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I got 25,000 miles out of my first belt on my 06'. Have to wonder why he shelled through 2 belts in so few miles??? I'll stay with a belt until belts are impossible to get during the Armageddon.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 11:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I liked the chain. Made changing the wheel a BREEZE!
But I don't ride off road and the thought of having to buy a wheel after some time doesn't thrill me.
I had a bearing just fall out of one of my spare wheels the last time I did a tire change.
Thats not good.... I put it back in with blue loctite... I hope it holds
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Mikef5000
Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 11:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It'll hold fine as long as the bearing spins freely. As soon as the bearing starts getting notchy it's likely to spin the race in the wheel.
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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 04:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Changing the wheel would be much easier with the belt if the idler wheel could rotate down to loosen the belt.
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Andymnelson
Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 04:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've never needed to touch the idler wheel to remove my wheel....the chain would make that process MORE difficult.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 05:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the chain would make that process MORE difficult

NOT


Its WAY easier with the chain... and ya don't need to touch the idler with the chain OR the belt
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Tootal
Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 06:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

New belts are a pain though. Like most of you I keep a used belt under the seat.
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Rotorhead
Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - 10:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

IF you take the ULY off in the dirt on a regular basis a chain is in order IMHO. I've had mine on for a 3rd year and 25,000 miles ago. If you look at my profile pic I do ride it hard and dirty most of the time. There are conditions that will kill a belt and kill a chain. It is up to the end user of which tool for the job.

BTW the rear wheel slides off and on WAY easier with the chain.

I have a 530 and 520 setups. The street set is 520 with high gearing for LD rides and low RPMS. Got about 240 mile ave. range on the slab!!
530 set up is geared for a crawl at idle for some rough riding. I did get 20,000 miles out of the first chain and rear sprocket. YEAH chain maintenance sucks, but I haven't had a broken belt in the middle of nowhere to worry about. Only took one belt breaking 2000 miles from home to change my mind on the belt/chain debate.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - 10:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

you can get a chain at almost ANY motorcycle shop... that alone it a HUGE advantage
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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - 12:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rotorhead,
Just curious how many teeth you had front and rear sprockets for the 240 mile avg?? At 70 mph what was the rpm?

Wolfridgerider,
Actually the only time I removed the idler sprocket was when the belt shelled at 25,000 miles. I'm not sure a new belt can be put on without removing the idler pulley unless you have the Trojan Horse spring loaded idler. Anyways, I'm easy on my ULY and the belts work just fine for me, though it would be real nice to be able to kick it into a 6 gear for mpg sake.
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Rotorhead
Posted on Thursday, December 09, 2010 - 12:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here are my sheets 530 set up and 520 with a 9 primary. The big diff is at cruise speed/rpm. At 3500 rpm the 520 is running 78MPH and 530 is at 68 MPH with only a 3 tooth difference on the front sprocket. the 24 tooth front is a tight fit. next time a 23 tooth would work better with chain length and tension. chain tension and ratio are all trial and error. BTW the 520 got me close to stock 12 primary belt drive ratio with out having to crack the primary case to get the rpm's back.

Also I have done a ton of ECM tuning at the cruise RPM (3500) for economy instead of power. The engine is "happy" at 3500 to 4000
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chain_drive_and_9_primary_ratios520.xlsx (19.9 k)
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chain_drive_and_9_primary_ratios530.xlsx (19.9 k)
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stock_gear_ratio_w_12_primary-425917.xlsx (19.9 k)
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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Thursday, December 09, 2010 - 11:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rotorhead,
Thanks. I changed out the sprocket ratios on our Yamaha yx600 Radian and it made all the difference in the world. Did the easy math and made it so it would cruize 4k rpm at 60 mph. Before that it was geared way to low for my taste. Did that years ago though.
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Uly_man
Posted on Friday, December 10, 2010 - 12:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

With regards what Electraglider_1997 said. Changing a belt on the road is easy with the FST.

The Uly is a great bike and maybe one of the best road bikes ever made but its not a serious off road bike, like the GS, or in truth was it ever meant to be. You bust that gear lever and your out of the game big time. Belt drive on African dirt roads without backup "I think not" for me. I have been on those roads before and I would never use a Uly on them chain or otherwise. GS, KTM, XTZ yes. Bikes built for the work rather than those comic adventure/fashion machines that are so very common today.
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