| Author | Message | ||
     Chrisrogers3 |
Alright guys, Well I have put about 500 miles now on my scorpian trails. Now before this I was running the D616's and I was also running my race takeoffs (corsa III). I put about 80 miles on these tires in POURING down rain and the traction of these tires is unbelievable. I didnt get a long ride offroad, but the ride I did take was on a gravel road (just a few miles long). The tires bite extremely well, in fact I was still able to pick the front wheel up on gravel. The rest of the miles have all been on pavement and I must say that they handle great. There doesnt seem to be any sidewall flex in high speed cornering. I have to say, I am over the top impressed with this tire and I dont have anything negative to say about the tires at this point. I cant wait to see how many miles I can get out of them! I really think these are the tires we have all been wanting for our Ulys Way to go Pirelli! | ||
| Bdrag |
Chrisrogers3 As I have stated before in other threads, These tire work better than anyjthing else I have run on my VStrom 1000. Wet traction is fantastic. Dry cornering they hold like your on rails. Never an issue on Deals gap. Like you said, whats the milage? I get between 2500 and 3500 on the Strom. BDRAG  | ||
| Paralegalpete |
Can you compare the performance on the gravel road between the Dunlop and the Trails? | ||
| Hooper |
And no issues with the fit (since they technically don't have the "right size" for the Uly)? Did a shop put them on for you? Were they reluctant to put them on because of the size "mismatch"? I'd love to put a rear on this week. | ||
| Mikef5000 |
No issues with fit at all. | ||
| Chrisrogers3 |
From the little bit of time I have spent off road on them, they definitely feel a lot better than the D616's (keep in mind I was one of the few that loved my 616's just didnt like the wear issue). As far as fit, the front is a stock uly size, the rear is 1 cm wider. Once the tire is in place there are no rub issues anywhere, it is however a little tighter getting the wheel in place since you have to wiggle it between the brake caliper and the swingarm but it can be done without issue. I have my own tire changer and I did my own mounting of the tires, they fit nice and snug so if you are going to use spoons to put the tire on, I would suggest otherwise  | ||
| Dr_greg |
I get between 2500 and 3500 on the Strom... Uly probably no better. That's what I get on the Distanzias; I was hoping for a little better wear. --Doc | ||
| Buewulf |
Thanks for the report Chris. The Trail sounds very promising indeed. I would hope to get 5K out of the tire, though. Hopefully the Uly's meeker power output will be a little easier on the rubber. | ||
| Hangetsu |
The Uly puts out more peak HP than the Strom and more torque. Depending on how you use your right hand, you're likely to burn through a tire faster than the Strom. | ||
| Buewulf |
The Uly puts out more peak HP than the Strom and more torque. Well my hopes are dashed, then. I had thought the DL1000 motor was in the same state of tune as the SV1000 unit. | ||
| Bdrag |
Hangetsu Well I only got 2020 miles on the OEM sync on the Buell unit before I put the Angels on. The strom has always gotten between 2500 and 3500 miles on ANY tire I run on it. I have used the OEM bridgestone trail wings, Dunlop 607's, Met torrance, Pirelli MT 90 Scorpions, ( Got 4500 from those but they were discountinued )and the new scorpion Trails. So its gotta be my fault.  BDRAG | ||
| Hangetsu |
"I had thought the DL1000 motor was in the same state of tune as the SV1000 unit" Nope. The SV1000 puts out around 120HP. The DL only 92. Besides the SV having a bigger airbox, I believe it has bigger valves as well. Bdrag - I also only got around 2700 on the stock Syncs. I changed to Metzler Roadteck Z6 Interacts and they seem to last me around 3500 to 4000. I am curious about the Scorp Trails, but if I can't hope to get more than 3K out of them, I'm not sure the marginal dirt performance would be worth it. As long as I keep it slow, the Z6's do as well on the dirt and gravel road as the Syncs did and are much better on road and in the wet. | ||
| Bdrag |
Hangetsu I am running the Pirelli Angles on the Uly right now. I have about 1000 miles on them and I am taking it easy for the most part. So far only .03 wear. That would make them a 5000 mile tire. Fingers crossed. They grip great in the dry. No wet experiance yet. 4 day trip in two weeks to Arkansas will tell how they wear under durress! HAHahaha. The one big PLUS I like about the Pirelli Scorpion Trail is its Heavy Duty carcus which will definatly hold up to rock punctures better than these sport bike tires do. BDRAG | ||
| Hangetsu |
Bdrag- Yeah, the Angels were going to be the next tire I try until the Scorp Trails came out. Now I'm debating. I do a lot of road and highway miles, more on flat surfaces than I would like to admit, so if I can't get more than a couple of months out of a tire, the Trails may not be worth it to me. We'll see. | ||
| Mattmcc00 |
I am currently running a pair of Metzler Roadteck Z6 Interacts on my Uly. So far they seem ok, but only 2000 road km so far. I am taking a BMW off-road 1 day course on the 8th of Mai (using my Uly). I will let yu all know aobut how I & the Uly handled it, and my thoughts on the tires in an off-road context. | ||
| Reepicheep |
For off road, tires are at least 50% of the equation, the bike is the other 50%. If you are paying what I think you are paying for that BMW course, you would be well served by also paying for a good set of more dirt worthy rubber to be mounted a couple hundred miles before the class.. At least get Syncs or Trails on there... I think the GS's in those clases are running tires that are nearly knobbies. If looking at an off road ride and given the choice of a KLR-250 with brand new knobbies, or a CRF-450x with worn knobbies, I'd take the KLR every time. | ||
| Hangetsu |
50/50 Bike & tire... I would have to disagree. I'd say it's more like 50% (or more)rider skill & confidence 30% bike, and maybe 20% tire. Mud excluded, of course. I know a lot of very competent off-road riders and they will take the most unlikely bikes shod with tires most would say are totally unsuited for off-road and go faster than most of us would take an MX bike. If you're willing to keep the momentum up and let the thing slide around a bit, you'd be surprised where you can take most road bikes, short of maybe a Goldwing. | ||
| Mikef5000 |
Hangetsu beat me too it. Rider is at least 50%, tires and bike are partitioned from the remains. Tires only make a big difference in soft (deep/wet) stuff or technical stuff anyway. I had no issues off-roading my XT with Strada's (with NO tread in the middle) as long as I stayed on hard pack. That being said, I wouldn't pay good money for an off-road class, then go on street tires. | ||
| Buewulf |
more like 50% (or more)rider skill & confidence +1 But if you are taking a BMW off-road class, you may be in the early stages of developing the skills and confidence that makes up that 50%. If that is the case, the bike won't do much to build confidence. It is very heavy, tall and has a 17" front wheel with a snatchy front brake and wooden rear brake. You'll need all the help you can get. I'd suggest the Pirelli MT60 front and rear. I have not used them on the Uly, but I have on an XR650 with a 17" front wheel and was please with the results. It is the most dirt-worthy DOT tire that can be fitted to the Uly. Put them on shortly before the trip because you won't likely get many miles out of them. I'd also invest in a variable-ratio throttle. I bet that will do more to boost your off-road confidence than any other mod. Post back with some pics of the class! It is amazing how much you can develop your skills with training days. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Agreed... user skill goes a long way. I ride with two guys, both much better and more experienced in dirt then I am. And I can do better then both of them if I have fresh knobs and theirs are worn... unless it's dry (which, in Ohio, it never is). I can remember taking the M2 into the back yard for some reason... on wet grass (but not mud). At the time it would have had either D220's, or an MeZ6. Not sure it would have mattered. It was the faintest of incline, and I feathered the clutch at idle perfectly, and that back tire just sat there and spuuuuunnnnnnn. The scorpion syncs surprise me how well they manage in gravel / grass. They feel pretty planted. Not like a real knobbie on a real dirt bike (which will wheelie when parked in a puddle of mud), but not bad. Note the tires they are running on the class bikes...  | ||
| Mattmcc00 |
All of this is in preparation for my trans-Labrador trip this summer. My wife and I are taking the Uly across the tundra. I figured that Seeing as the 1500Mile trip is made up of 600 miles of gravel highway, I should try to bone up on my off-road skills & experience. Especially seeing as the 600 miles are divided into 150 mile stretches without any civilization in between and without cell phone coverage. My biggest fear are tire flats! A flat tire alone out in the tundra without any civilization for 100 miles, an only a random logging truck every couple of hours, and no way to communicate, can be a problem. If I can carry a spare tire, is it possible to install it on my own on the side of the road? | ||
| Mikef5000 |
I've been looking for a way to break the bead on our tires while out on the road. This seems to be the best solution: http://www.aerostich.com/prevent-or-repair/tire-re pair/tire-repair-tools/bead-breaker.html  It folds into 3 pieces, 18" long. I'd love it if this worked: http://www.aerostich.com/bead-popper.html  But I simply don't believe it'd work. Sure on a dirt bike tire, but on our 180 or 190 rear tire, there's just no way. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I've had a harder time breaking beads on dirt bike tires then street tires... so it might work. If I was doing that trip, I would probably put tubes in before I left, and lots of tire slime, just to get a lot of margin for flats. | ||
| Ejbeert |
twice now in the last thousand miles two rear tire flats dunlop 616 flats broke the bead with that tool plastic bead popper and a plastic dead blow hammer from sears bead popper seems easy to carry however the milk crate i used to support the tire might not be | ||
| Itileman |
The bead popper should work. My first real job was working for Firestone busting truck and road grader size tires in the field. That's the type of tool I used. Problem will be bringing along a suitable hammer to whack it with. Not knowledgeable about the size/type of rocks available on the tundra. | ||
| Mikef5000 |
I will be touring with another guy, so I was going to look into making a setup similar to this bead breaker: But use a single bolt on the side of the other bike and just the upper piece. A setup something like this:  It would be quick release, and usable on both bikes (so it bolts to whichever bike does not have a flat.) It'd probably be setup to just remove a footpeg, slide this in with a bolt through the hole, and good to go! It'd need to be a two bike, two man operation, but that's fine with me and my situation. I could make the shaft (tee hee) out of two different size square metal tubing. Both 12" long. Make it so it's stored with one inside the other (12" overall), then they pull out and bolt together to give a 22" total length of the lever. That was my idea. | ||
| Mikef5000 |
BTW, I'm looking for a bead breaker more for my buddy. Our tubeless tires can often be plugged, but he has tube tires, so if he were to have an issue on the road, we would NEED to get that tire off to attempt any repair or tube replacement. | ||
| Itileman |
Since you have two bikes, one bike's kickstand should work to break a bead. | ||
| Buewulf |
But I simply don't believe it'd work. Sure on a dirt bike tire, but on our 180 or 190 rear tire, there's just no way. That bead popper will work fine. We stopped to help a guy change a tire in the field several months ago. He had one of these, and we were able to break the bead on his KTM (a notoriously difficult bead to break). He did carry a small mallet with him. As mentioned above, I have always used the kickstand to break the bead. A second bike makes it cake; but even without the rear tire on the bike, you can probably still muscle it around. Give it a try when you mount tires for your BMW class. | ||
| Mattmcc00 |
Sorry for hijacking the scorp trails thread I will start a new thread to discuss my Trans-lab preparations. MMcC |
