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Flyer
Posted on Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 11:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

bought my 09 uly a month ago from vallejo h.d. told them had not owned belt secondary before was concerned about getting stuck. they said no problem just use a emergency sportster belt. were they right? alot of their sales pitch turned out to be hogwash...if you get my point.
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Froggy
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 12:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Good luck getting a Sportster belt to fit! Not only is it the wrong size, the tooth pitch and width and such are probably different. Anyway, order a spare belt, and swap the spare on during your first tire change. The new belts are tight, so used belts would be easier to put on if your on the side of the road. Part number G0500.1AKF
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Dio
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 12:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Not sure about that. I just got a new belt for my '04 XL1200R, which has 137 teeth. I don't know how many teeth on XB, but the emergency (joinable end) belts that I priced in the past were almost as much or more than a new belt. I have a new belt on the shelf for my Uly, but don't carry it on the bike. Some on this board report that the belt will get loose before breaking. Get a new belt on stand-by and monitor the old one for stretching - the idler pulley will turn by hand.
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Bosh
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 12:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Re: the belt will get loose
Mine is getting there now. I can spin the idler pully easily now.
New belt is on order.
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Dio
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 12:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Bosh: What year and how many miles?
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Buellerxt
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 12:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Froggy,

Is that the belt part no. for the new 2009 belt? Is that the most current belt? Was the 'old' belt the same no.? If so, some buyers could get the old belt and not know it.
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Froggy
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 01:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

No, thats the 2010 belt. : )

Depending on your build date, you would either have G0500.1AKB, D, E, or now, F : )
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Buellerxt
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 01:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I ordered that belt, the 2010, and I have a 2008. They all fit the same, right?
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Froggy
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 01:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yes
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Buellerxt
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 01:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks, froggy. As always, you are a great help.

Hey, if they keep improving it maybe I should wait until next year to order it! Um, ah, I forgot, NOT! Man, the shutdown stinks.
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88b
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 03:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I thought HD only did the emergency belts for the big twins not sporty's, the reason being you have to remove all of the primary etc, plus the swing arm on Softails and baggers to change the belt. Sporty's and V Rods are easy
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Hooper
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 04:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I ordered a spare belt well over a month ago - it's still on backorder. Keep that in mind...
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Firstbatch
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 05:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Damn Hoop......good thing you were not in need during the season.
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Eulysses
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 05:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Try American Sport Bikes. Got mine from there recently.
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Buellerxt
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 09:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Why do so many buy spare belts? I heard from a very reliable source, a guy in the know, that there were almost no Ulysses belts replaced under warranty, nationally, in the past 2 years. Quite a few 1125 belts but no, or almost no, Uly belts. Have any of you had a belt fail in the first 2 years that was due to a defect and not a stone, etc., and get denied on a warranty replacement? The belt seems to be a reliable part, as are Harley belts. Ths.
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Froggy
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 11:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


quote:

Why do so many buy spare belts?




Because they can snap. When they snap, you kinda limit how far you can travel. Not like say, a spare headlight bulb, as they aren't mission critical half of the day.


quote:

I heard from a very reliable source, a guy in the know, that there were almost no Ulysses belts replaced under warranty, nationally, in the past 2 years.




Want to take a bet that many of the snapped belts were denied warranty? Anyway when mine snapped, I fixed it myself to minimize the downtime.
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Eulysses
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 11:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Froggy...what is the best way to carry a spare...under the seat? Can it be looped back on itself like a snomobile belt?
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Buellerxt
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 11:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Eulysses,
The reliable source I referenced above is the Goodyear guy who makes the belts and works closely with Buell. He was kind enough to give me considerable time and he answered all of my questions. He says the belt can be looped like a bandsaw blade. It can be wound fairly tightly into a 7-8" diam. circle and he says it isn't near as sensitive to twisting, etc., as the Harley belts, though it isn't advised. He talked about the advantage of being able to toss it in a saddle bag and take it with you.

He further said that the 'last' belt update, materially, was in 2007 for the 2008 model year. He said there have been no improvements since then and the part no. changes were to track specific belt lots more closely. Interesting. He did say that since the 2007 change (2008 model year) he cannot remember getting a Ulysses belt back on warranty claim and that he sees them all. He talked quite a bit about 1125 belts coming back, with some riders having multiple breaks, and talking to the riders to see what they were doing, etc.

He talked about the tensioner, why it is a very good thing with the considerable suspension travel on a Uly, etc. In summary, he feels Uly belts are very robust as compared to other belts and that with regular riding they should not break. Of course he makes them! He, of course, spoke of rocks, etc., that can damage belts. Sorry for running on but in answer to your question, he said it can be packed pretty tightly. I'm trying to decide whether to buy a spare just for peace of mind after reading about belts on here but with 100,000 on one Harley and 45,000 on another, with no belt issues . . .?
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Eulysses
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 12:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks Bueller...I thought they should be able to wind up pretty small like our snomo belts. You know why I have one? Down time. I ride off road where the winds becon...la la and it is often just too dang far away. I am going to suck the air out of a bag and seal it up. Also...ordering a belt might just cost me too much valuable time somewhere. So...tires, gas, oil etc...no problem. But our little weird things like motor mounts and bearings...got em. Will someday own and ECM too! Lord willing...
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Eshaw
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 12:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

so loose is defined as being able to turn the pulley by hand... easily?

I just joined the cool uly people this evening... looking forward to getting to know it... or her... or him... hmmm. Thats a whole other thread.

Point is, I got an 06 with 5k mikes. I can turn the pulley easily by hand. Should i fear being left on the side of the road any time soon for a broken belt? Should I spend my farkle money elsewhere for now? Should I buy 3 belts in case they run out because the mothership left? Serious, how serious is it when you can turn the pulley by hand, did you cant the easily part?
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Buellerxt
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 12:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I understand, Eulysses. Preparedness is always good. Hope you never need any of them!
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 08:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Some of you may have missed it but I provided an R&D belt to a Badwebeef last year. He rolled it up, carried it under the seat for a while then installed it

Not sure where, but there is an entire, and very comprehensive, thread somewhere.
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Od_cleaver
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 10:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This thread author stopped reporting with 810 miles on a rolled up belt>>

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/440981.html

Zac4mac reported 2200 miles on his rolled up belt in this post>>

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/47623/462951.html


(Message edited by od_cleaver on December 01, 2009)
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Froggy
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 10:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thats because he still is riding on it with no issue : )
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Eulysses
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 04:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Surely it can be rolled as small as the small pulley's circumference...maybe smaller as there is no torque or heat involved. But surely as small. Bear to apply if ever needed though...the curves take up any minute slack needed to get it on. Might be better to roll up a used one...then it could be applied easier.

(Message edited by Eulysses on December 01, 2009)

(Message edited by Eulysses on December 01, 2009)
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 06:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I find a heart shape works well and fits in the side case easily.

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Also, it acts like a load restraint behind the blue belty things.

Little strips of duct tape = mark of a professional.
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Eulysses
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 06:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Perhaps the "loopier" it is makes its application easier when ever needed.
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Etennuly
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 07:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Oddly enough I have my old belt twisted into a three coil, ala snomobile belt, in a cabinet in my office. I don't carry it unless I am traveling long distance.

If it were to break within a couple hundred miles of home, someone would bring it to me.....eventually.....maybe.....I would hope at least someone would miss me enough within a couple of days or so.they don't want to make me whoop somebody's ass!
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Paul56
Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 12:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Definitely pick a used one to carry as an on-road spare. Putting a new (read: short) belt on is enough of a pita in the garage; I would hate to add to the stress of an emergency repair by using a new belt that is hard to install.
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Skifastbadly
Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 02:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My belt broke at 23K miles. Fortunately I had a spare. I wouldn't go three miles from my house without a spare...which is unfortunate since they seem to be back-orderd. I'm still waiting for my replacement, it's been about a month.
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