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Mtuly
Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 11:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That's what I heard yesterday morning after turning my back on the new Uly to open the garage door! Turned around to see the cherry Uly laying flat on the garage floor having shook itself off the kickstand. I couldn't believe it. Literally no miles (brought it and it's brother home on a trailer) and before I could let loose on the clutch for the first time it's on the concrete.

Why in the heck did they design a kickstand that can fold up under tension or do I have a faulty kickstand?

The good thing is absolutely no damage!! Zero, nada, nothing. I was expecting very bad things but the frame puck worked like a charm.
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Rwven
Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 11:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My guess is you didn't have the stand fully in the forward position. I've had mine actually walk forward down sloped surfaces without the sidestand folding.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 11:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

+1 to that. Always make sure you push the bike back on the kickstand to ensure it's locked in position before letting go of the bike.
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Mtuly
Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That's the deal, my harley kickstand will not fold back with weight on it, but the Uly will. I'm very diligent about making sure kickstands are fully extended and literally kick them as far forward as they'll go before laying the bike over on them (I have 5 bikes). Since this is my first Buell, I was kinda surprised to see the kickstand not lock (so to speak) in place like the harley stand does. My garage is sloped towards the door and of course the bike was pointed towards the door. It was shaking hard as I had just started it to warm up.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 11:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Leaving the forks at full left lock (like they teach you in MSF) may help. If the bike starts to roll forward, that makes it harder for it to fold up the kickstand.
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Froggy
Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 11:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The kickstand is designed to fold in like that. It is a safety feature should you forget to retract it.

The spring on the stand will pull it back a little if there is no weight on it, so despite you pushing it forward with your foot, the moment you let go it will partly retract. You need to put the stand on the ground and pull the bike backwards. The dealer should of mentioned this when you picked it up. Odds are they didn't, and odds are they didn't setup your suspension either.
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Mtuly
Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 12:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Odds are Froggy you are very correct! Thanks that right there is a good piece of information to know.
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Towpro
Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 12:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

As Froggy said, "Odds are they didn't set up your suspension either".
Get out the owners manual. Nice section showing recommended setting for your weight.

I recommend doing this before you ride it again. Wrong suspension setting can get you into trouble.
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Pso
Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 12:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Also when suspension set-up properly so sweet to ride.
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Etennuly
Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 12:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Where ever you are do not leave it idle on the stand if the front is pointed down hill, even a little. If you must park with the front down shut it off leave it in gear, let it roll to compression and push the stand forward as you let the bike down on it.

Congrats on the Ulys! You have yet to experience Permagrin I presume? Let us know if your cheeks get rubbed raw from the insides of your full face helmet from grinning so much! Five years of riding XB's, I had to get a wider helmet!
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Mtuly
Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 01:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks for the advice on setting up the suspension. I believe they come set up for 180 pounds and that's me to a T. But now that the wind is gusting to 40mph today, my inaugural ride will be spent going over the suspension settings in the manual. It blows extremely hard here in Eastern Montana and isn't exactly fun to ride in.
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Froggy
Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 01:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

No they don't come from the factory setup for anything. Your left fork rebound could be for 280lbs, the right fork preload might be 180lbs, and the rear dampening could be for 400lbs. Takes only about 10 minutes to set, and 3 of those minutes are getting the tools out from under the seat : )
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Mtuly
Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 04:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Froggy, you were right. Don't know what the suspension was set for but it wasn't 180 pounds! The winds slowed to 30 mph. Good enough for me, I'm going for a ride!!!
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Fung
Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 07:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

well, you got that out of the way.
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Pkforbes87
Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 08:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"odds are they didn't setup your suspension either."

mine wasn't set up from the dealership, but after getting into the service manual and setting front and rear to my weight.. the bike rides much smoother and handles better.
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Mtuly
Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 09:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Back from my ride. Suspension is fantastic, handling is out of this world and the wind really blows in Montana.

I did a 100 mile loop with half being very loose gravel road. Wasn't so bad until I hit the 49 mph crosswind leg of the trip. Those 20 miles were a little hairy

Once I was on blacktop again all was well but I was going directly into the wind. I'm telling you right now, you can't hear a thing with winds that strong roaring over the helmet!

All in all, a great ride and it was only 42 degrees when I got back home. Oh, the heated grips worked like a charm, thank God!
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Ulyessesman
Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 10:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

well dern , here i am wonderin if my head bearings were goin out , but maybe i better look into the suspension settings , i got this dern high speed wobble thats bout to drive me nutzz! , 96-105 it wobbles like it wants to throw me off , after powering out of it it calms down but way not fun in a curve , i almost pooped my pants the first time it happened
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Froggy
Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 11:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Wasn't that you the other day that posted about it? Anyway tire pressure, suspension settings, and incorrect grip on the bars will all cause high speed wobble.
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Skinstains
Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 12:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Frog signal sent. I need to know where to get part#'s and prices.
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Rwven
Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 10:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ulyssesman,

I had mine do that to me on a trip I was on this summer. A little extra rear preload cleared it right up. I am near the top of the weight spread for my standard suspension settings and running with full luggage plus a seat Pak was enough to push me over the edge.
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Ulyessesman
Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 04:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

yea froggy that was me , lol , the uly is the first bike i have ever owned that i have had a problem with the wobble , aside from my 86 yamaha yz490 dirt bike , i dont think its my grip on the bars , not my first rodeo , lol, im jus tryin to narrow the cause of my problem down , as i said b4 , the bike is in NC ,im in CO , but when i go home i just want to have a game plan to knock that wobble out , but thanks again!
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Judotrip
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 02:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don't have a wobble, but my front end does not track all that smooth. I think it has to do with the travel in the front fork and the lack of a fork brace. It was concerning until I got used to it.
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Froggy
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 02:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Judotrip, the dunflop tires that came on your bike are known to cause issues like that. Any other tire will get rid of the problem.
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