| Author | Message | ||
     Johnboy777 |
""Dang, that was harsh. We're just talking motors here, right?"" Apparently there are three things that should never be discussed in public. 1. Religion 2. Politics 3. Air-cooled Engines  | ||
| Mnrider |
Single crank pin 45 degree V twin has been around since when,long before I was born. | ||
| Hangetsu |
been around longer than you... So have 90 degree V twins, boxers, parallel twins, square fours, and inline fours, but I haven't heard anyone badmouth the newer "bandaged" versions of these configurations. | ||
| Mnrider |
Nothing wrong with it just saying its been around since the 20's. So have 90 degree V8's that we all love,like my 4.6 3 valve. | ||
| Froggy |
Guess what? I did, I now have a Blast for commuting duty, and a CR for "fun" days. The Uly has been sitting in my garage for 2 months, and hasn't moved an inch. The trickle charger doesn't even work on it anymore, and I don't care. I got some soft bags on the way for the CR, once I got them I won't even have a use for the Uly. I haven't figured out the future of it yet, but there is no rush for me to put it back on the road. Gonna be going to Buelltoberfest on the Lobster. As for the comments about 1125 being a bad engine in the Uly, you sound just like the people that hate Windows Vista. 95% haven't tried it, 4% haven't had more than 5 minutes on it, and the last 1% have legit gripes. Every day I go into the garage and wonder how much fabbing would be needed to put that Uly tail on my CR, but I will probably pick up a cheap wrecked R and do it to that. | ||
| Froggy |
Oh, and internal combustion engines are all old obsolete inefficient garbage no matter how you look at them or how many improvements you do. Electric is where its at, 100% of your available torque 1 RPM and more than 80% efficient vs 20ish% on ICE. | ||
| Tginnh |
Excellent point, Froggy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVv0NVLFPig | ||
| F_skinner |
The 1125 is proof positive that even Buell was not satisfied with their own Thunderstorm - otherwise, why introduce the 1125. It does prove something. Your conclusion is wrong. | ||
| Tginnh |
Again - why not put both plants in the same chassis. Isn't that what BMW has been doing since the inception of their oil head models? | ||
| Tginnh |
btw - Johnboy, astute observation. How about beer? My guess is we could get into a pissing contest about it on this forum...yuk, yuk... | ||
| Blake |
The ignorance of some and the conclusions that they choose to contrive never cease to bewilder. Some here posit nonsense then when exposed for it try to patch over it with band-aid rhetoric and falsehood. The fact remains that ditching over half of your profitable market share is pure idiocy and only an idiot would suggest such a thing. | ||
| Blake |
Still waiting for Johnboy to answer my simple questions in response to his idiotic comments aimed at belittling Buell air-cooled engines: >>>These so-called improvements are simply band-aid patches to counter the power plant’s deficiencies. What deficiencies would those be? What improvement to any engine is not addressing some perceived deficiency? A band-aid patch is something superficial that doesn't last that is used to cover up a problem. Which improvements that I've named do you find are superficial and/or not durable? Use of the modifier "so-called" implies doubts about the honesty of a word's meaning, the word "improvements" in this case. Which "so-called" improvements are not true/honest improvements? | ||
| Firstbatch |
IMHO Buell needs both power plants to satisfy their customers. BMW folks have been talking about the demise of the air head/oil head for years. The current oil head just plain works in the RT and GS and have a loyal following. I still love to ride my R69S that is 40 year old technology! Yes, the new inline water cooled BMW motors are great as was the flying brick but it just gave BMW another offering to their customers. Customers like choices. Buell is doing it right giving people a choice between air cooled simplicity and water cooled high tech/high performance. Just like BMW is doing it right giving their customers the same choices. The great thing about the air cooled Buell motor is that is is perfection in a streetable application. | ||
| F_skinner |
now now Blake, be tolerant of the "New Breed" of Buell riders.  Of course what do I know. I am just a tuber guy. | ||
| Mike_dinger |
In all my time here on this forum, I have never seen a thread shake the Uly collective apart as this one has. Who the •••• started this stupid thread? Like it or not, there is nothing wrong with the current power plant. If you don't like it, move on to whatever suits your interests and let those of us who like the current setup bask in our paint-rattling, leg burning, no top-end having, first gear not low enough, monkey bearing glory.  | ||
| Cash |
what happened to talking about the future of buell? How did this turn into an engine discussion? | ||
| Blake |
Mike Dinger, I'm no monkey! I am an ape!  | ||
| Slinky |
"and a plethora of other major modifications and improvements through the years." what would these be? | ||
| Cyclonedon |
Apparently there are three things that should never be discussed in public. 1. Religion 2. Politics 3. Air-cooled Engines YES I agree! but you left out tires and motor oil! | ||
| Cyclonedon |
now now Blake, be tolerant of the "New Breed" of Buell riders. Of course what do I know. I am just a tuber guy. I say bring back the ST3, Buell could use a Sport Touring motorcycle again! | ||
| Dcc46 |
that's a great line | ||
| Blake |
"what would these be?" That will make a great research project for those who don't know. You can start out with compression ratio and rev limit, then advance to the various cylinder heads, cams, pistons, lighter flywheels, then the jugs and their liners,the computer controlled two speed forced air cooling system, the variable exhaust, improved oil pumps, better rocker boxes, more efficient crankcase breathing system... There's more for you to discover if you care too do so. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Here's a nice Buell article. http://www.jsonline.com/business/59803327.html | ||
| Cyclonedon |
thanks for the link Electraglider. Qoute: from the article Erik Buell's passion for racing and his own designs sometimes works against him in the business world, said Dain Gingerelli, editor of IronWorks motorcycle magazine. A Buell sport bike that excels on the racetrack isn't necessarily the best motorcycle for riding across the country. The company should offer a more "user friendly" street bike than a "racer friendly" machine, according to Gingerelli. while I agree with Mr. Gingerelli that Buells may not be the best motorcycle for riding across the country, it wouldn't be too hard to convert the 1125R to a true sport touring machine that could handle long distance touring duties. it's interesting that Erik didn't sign a contract with Harley-Davidson according to the article. Maybe he want's to get more into owning his own racing team? good article! | ||
| Galloper |
I think my next Buell will be electric. | ||
| Court |
Great article . . .
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| Electraglider_1997 |
Galloper, Yes, I'm looking far forward to that eclectic electric Buell powered by EEStor. I'm figuring 500+ miles per charge. | ||
| Galloper |
Off Topic Warning @ Electraglider: I had the opportunity to test a Vectrix last year. Not the best looks, not the mileage I need for work/home but it's a very good idea. Last month there were races on the isle of Man for electro powered motorcycles. It's getting there. | ||
| Hughlysses |
OK, Court- that seems like a potential bombshell. Any hints as to what that means?  | ||
| Cash |
very interesting article.It adds mystery to this whole Buell future question. |
